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Old 19th October 2011
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I only know the Compact 7ES.
In the world of the subjective and the arbitrary
These make sense to me.
But me liking them isnt a recommendation......
Well not directly a recommendation. I'm looking to move away from my ns10's and if you mix on the compacts I'm def. Going to try them out before I invest in my next set of monitors.
Old 20th October 2011
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Well its gonna be quite a change from NS10's.
Kinda inside out from one another.
Old 20th October 2011
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Well its gonna be quite a change from NS10's.
Kinda inside out from one another.
Haha awesome! I feel like right now all I hear is 2k lol so hopefully I'll getting more of the big picture lol.
Old 20th October 2011
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Let me introduce you to my friend 100 hz....

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Old 26th October 2011
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Old 15th November 2011
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was trying out a few rs124 type devices, the lisson grove, the bryce gonzalez and a modded 436.
discovered that the lynx converters do not like driving a 600ohm load.
the genex are fine driving one however.
anybody else have this experience?
Old 27th November 2011
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Listening to Zep IV on 4311B's sounds awesome.
Old 27th November 2011
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Hell yes


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Listening to Zep IV on 4311B's sounds awesome.
Old 29th November 2011
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Fired up the 4311's in the control last nite.
Thos things ripped our heads off.
Lots of fun.
Real loud.
And really bright.
Ouch
Looks like its time to experiment with building some crossovers.
Old 2nd December 2011
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Hey Rob, just spun that Marjorie Fair record for the first time after reading about it in this thread. It sounds so tasty, good lord how did I not know about this. I have kind of a generic question:

You've obviously spent a lot of time around some righteously talented people. Who blows you away the most with their raw musical talent? And that's obviously broad, but maybe you could list like one each for instrumentalist, vocalist, songwriter, all-around freakshow savant (Jon Brion?)...

Thanks again for this thread. Hours of enjoyment.
Old 7th December 2011
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Hey Rob,

Just read through this entire thread and its been very informative - such a great chance to learn a lot of things!
I hope you don't mind me asking another Elliott question, but I've always been interested in the approach you took in From a Basement On the Hill. The sound on Pretty (Ugly Before) has been a reference point of mine for quite a while, and it would be great if you could run me through anything you can remember about that particular track.

Cheers!
Old 13th December 2011
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Hey Rob,

Just read through this entire thread and its been very informative - such a great chance to learn a lot of things!
I hope you don't mind me asking another Elliott question, but I've always been interested in the approach you took in From a Basement On the Hill. The sound on Pretty (Ugly Before) has been a reference point of mine for quite a while, and it would be great if you could run me through anything you can remember about that particular track.

Cheers!

to me, pretty ugly is a rather straight forward mix.
if you have something specific in mind it would be easier for me to answer.
i remember really digging that sample of aaron embry's voice in the casio that he played all over the song.
it was recorded in boston on a day off during the figure 8 tour.
i think its the only recording of that band.
personally i really dug that band and really love the version of the song.
Elliott and i had recorded a version of it in my garage as my first experiment with protools.
unfortunately, due to a learning curve and user error(me) it was deleted.
i learned never to do that again....
Old 13th December 2011
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Hey Rob, just spun that Marjorie Fair record for the first time after reading about it in this thread. It sounds so tasty, good lord how did I not know about this. I have kind of a generic question:

You've obviously spent a lot of time around some righteously talented people. Who blows you away the most with their raw musical talent? And that's obviously broad, but maybe you could list like one each for instrumentalist, vocalist, songwriter, all-around freakshow savant (Jon Brion?)...

Thanks again for this thread. Hours of enjoyment.
it feels disloyal to answer this.

but first thoughts come to mind,
richard thompson beautiful and brutal guitar playing.
and for sheer word genius and dexterity robert pollard.
Old 13th December 2011
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Does this mean you are a tape kinda guy?


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Elliott and i had recorded a version of it in my garage as my first experiment with protools.
unfortunately, due to a learning curve and user error(me) it was deleted.
i learned never to do that again....
Old 14th December 2011
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Does this mean you are a tape kinda guy?
I was definitely a tape kinda guy.
But then tape got scarce and then it got ****ty and then it got expensive
And then budgets got cut in half and then in thirds from there and then i got really good converters and now its just a storage medium.
Have refined and redefined the process for myself and dont need the tape.
I loved when it was good.
I like ATR alright
But to do it correctly you have to hit tape first.
Thats my opinion anyway.
There is the clasp which is a very interesting alternative but still at te end of the day
I'd rather spend the money on having more time to craft the record then a storage medium.
Old 14th December 2011
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Right. Pardon if I get OT. I am in the midst of prepro for making a rock record. I been working hard on arrangments, I got my fav. players...we are gonna be rehearsed and we are gonna demo the whole record. That being said I have been wanting to cut it to 2" and mix to tape as well. For a rock band that WILL NOT be tuning vocals and editing drums etc... would you say that I would benefit from the track and mix to tape approach? Keep in mind I am a fan of late sixties and early 70's record. To me, it's more than just a medium is it not?

Thanks in advance

p.s. I am plannig to use ATR

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I was definitely a tape kinda guy.
But then tape got scarce and then it got ****ty and then it got expensive
And then budgets got cut in half and then in thirds from there and then i got really good converters and now its just a storage medium.
Have refined and redefined the process for myself and dont need the tape.
I loved when it was good.
I like ATR alright
But to do it correctly you have to hit tape first.
Thats my opinion anyway.
There is the clasp which is a very interesting alternative but still at te end of the day
I'd rather spend the money on having more time to craft the record then a storage medium.
Old 14th December 2011
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Right. Pardon if I get OT. I am in the midst of prepro for making a rock record. I been working hard on arrangments, I got my fav. players...we are gonna be rehearsed and we are gonna demo the whole record. That being said I have been wanting to cut it to 2" and mix to tape as well. For a rock band that WILL NOT be tuning vocals and editing drums etc... would you say that I would benefit from the track and mix to tape approach? Keep in mind I am a fan of late sixties and early 70's record. To me, it's more than just a medium is it not?

Thanks in advance

p.s. I am plannig to use ATR

I dont know, it is and it isnt.
I think making a record with 60's and 70's in mind is more about performance and that whole front end of the process that you are already doing.
Id hate to be hung up on anything else.
Its the songs, the arrrangements, the performance, the discipline, committing as you go. Reacting to those decisions and responding.
The limitations of track numbers with tape made these things happen.
Yes there is a sonic character to tape that we love.
But without the above stated disciplines you can make a crappy record on tape just as easily. Hell, there were plenty of ****ty records made that didnt sound good and didnt feel like anything in the same heralded 60's and 70's time period.
So thats why i go back to its a medium.
Old 14th December 2011
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sure, I completely agree with everything you said. . but For a mook like me, who is doing indie stuff and can choose to work any way I want, I prefer the process and sound of recording with a tape deck and a console. I'm actually buying a deck and a console to do all the overdubs and mixing. I'm gonna track basics at a big studio.
Oh lordheh

Thanks for your insight Rob



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I dont know, it is and it isnt.
I think making a record with 60's and 70's in mind is more about performance and that whole front end of the process that you are already doing.
Id hate to be hung up on anything else.
Its the songs, the arrrangements, the performance, the discipline, committing as you go. Reacting to those decisions and responding.
The limitations of track numbers with tape made these things happen.
Yes there is a sonic character to tape that we love.
But without the above stated disciplines you can make a crappy record on tape just as easily. Hell, there were plenty of ****ty records made that didnt sound good and didnt feel like anything in the same heralded 60's and 70's time period.
So thats why i go back to its a medium.
Old 14th December 2011
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hi Rob,

do you remember how the drums on the latest "Sweet Thing" record were recorded?


cheers
Old 15th December 2011
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hi Rob,

do you remember how the drums on the latest "Sweet Thing" record were recorded?


cheers
Yeah some.
Sunset Sound Studio II.
Back and towards the righta little bit.
Transformer modded
57's on snare 1176 lang
Schoeps cmc6 as over heads
D112 inside the kick 1176
U195 w fat switch on outside of kick
Dont remember what the tom mics were.
47 on rim of kick Bac 500
Room mics were sf12 47's coles.
All compressed to taste.
Old 15th December 2011
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sure, I completely agree with everything you said. . but For a mook like me, who is doing indie stuff and can choose to work any way I want, I prefer the process and sound of recording with a tape deck and a console. I'm actually buying a deck and a console to do all the overdubs and mixing. I'm gonna track basics at a big studio.
Oh lordheh

Thanks for your insight Rob
Yeah i cant do without a console. And its all about the process.
No arguments here about however you do it.
There are many roads to the top.
Old 15th December 2011
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Yeah i cant do without a console. And its all about the process.
No arguments here about however you do it.
There are many roads to the top.
Have you had a chance to hear the Steven Slate VCC?
Old 16th December 2011
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to me, pretty ugly is a rather straight forward mix.
if you have something specific in mind it would be easier for me to answer.
Just how it was captured mic wise. I've been looking around for Elliott studio pictures for a while but haven't really found much!
Old 16th December 2011
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Have you had a chance to hear the Steven Slate VCC?
No i havent.
I dont like how it looks......
Old 17th December 2011
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hi rob,

thanks for the detailed answer about the drum recording on the sweet thing record.
Do you remember which guitar amp was used to record the song "winter night"?

Could you recommend a (cheap) mic to use as a "bassdrum-rim" mic?


thanks so much in advance.


cheers


alex
Old 17th December 2011
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Rob's done some fine work! I too am a fan of the Elliott Smith records--there's a nice organicness to them....not too overprocessed, alot of "big" sounds, but in a natural type of way.
Old 19th December 2011
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i would just try something, anything, and see if you like the spot.
dont know a cheap mic to recommend.
and whats cheap?

i dont remember exactly what amps were used on winter night.
there is definitely an AC30 in there and i think a KT45.
but its kinda layered with parts and its a few years and many records ago....

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hi rob,

thanks for the detailed answer about the drum recording on the sweet thing record.
Do you remember which guitar amp was used to record the song "winter night"?

Could you recommend a (cheap) mic to use as a "bassdrum-rim" mic?


thanks so much in advance.


cheers


alex
Old 19th December 2011
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hi rob,

thanks for answering my questions.
By cheap i basically meant more affordable than a u47 or u67.
Do you usually use the rim mic in cardioid?


cheers and thanks so much
Old 19th December 2011
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hi rob,

thanks for answering my questions.
By cheap i basically meant more affordable than a u47 or u67.
Do you usually use the rim mic in cardioid?


cheers and thanks so much
Yeah its cardiod.
This last bit of tracking the mic used was a RTT mkl101
at th rim position but pointed down at the top of the kick shell.

Oktava modded mics might be a good lower cost alternative.
Mojave or blackspade.
Charter oaks.
You just dont need it to be super bright like a lot of the cheaper condensers are
As you dont wanna harsh out the cymbals.
Old 29th December 2011
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Hey Rob,

What converters are you referring to? And which ones do you fancy in particular?

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I was definitely a tape kinda guy.
But then tape got scarce and then it got ****ty and then it got expensive
And then budgets got cut in half and then in thirds from there and then i got really good converters and now its just a storage medium.
Have refined and redefined the process for myself and dont need the tape.
I loved when it was good.
I like ATR alright
But to do it correctly you have to hit tape first.
Thats my opinion anyway.
There is the clasp which is a very interesting alternative but still at te end of the day
I'd rather spend the money on having more time to craft the record then a storage medium.
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