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Old 28th May 2010
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wow .
Congrats.thumbsup
Old 28th May 2010
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the MCI 428B is on the air!
yesterday was the first session.
its pretty interesting.
we're still wrapping our heads around it.
its kinda deep.
Congrats Rob!!! It's been a long road, eh?? heh After seeing that baby only a couple weeks ago, it looked like it was going to be awhile longer still.....

Can you really call it an MCI though?? That would be a great article / thread writeup. Sharing (with pics of course heh) how you guys envisioned building the multi-headed beast.

Enjoy it!!!!!


Bill
Old 28th May 2010
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rob, you should put some pictures up so we can check it out
Congrats!

I saw it in various pieces a little while ago (Doug gave me a peak), and wow, there's a lot going on in there, very impressive.

Pics of the guts would be more impressive to post, if you have them. Assembled it looks like, well, an MCI heh
Old 29th May 2010
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unbefrigginglievable

unbefrigginglievable. Congrats, to Mr. M. too.
Old 29th May 2010
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has anyone tried martin logan electrostatic speakers in a control room setting?
Not those...but Quads. Those speakers(and 'Stats in general) are very peculiar about amp choice. What they do, they do very well. Imaging, high/mid detail, and "speed". Like no other.

Of course that is a generalization, though..what model are you asking about?
Old 30th May 2010
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the MCI 428B is on the air!
yesterday was the first session.
its pretty interesting.
we're still wrapping our heads around it.
its kinda deep.
Nice, rob!
Old 2nd June 2010
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hey rob,
any thoughts/updates on the "MCI"?
cheers, jeremy
Old 2nd June 2010
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having the two different flavors of stereo buss is really cool.
its nice to have them side by side and always available for comparison.
it removes it from being an intellectual concept.
you just sit there and use your ears.
also the line trims can be used to drive the xformers.
pretty cool way to add some color on demand.

thats about as far as we have got so far.
trying to make a record with very little money ie time.
this doesnt lend it self to experimenting.
got to make a record.
Old 2nd June 2010
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For you Rob in case you haven't seen this. Notice who tops the list. ;-)

The Top Ten Record Makers of Today


I would love to hear you work with Tom Petty and get something deconstructed, lean and vital out of him.


Keep up the good work. You have done some great stuff and I think you have even greater work yet to come. Which is saying a hell of a lot.
Old 8th June 2010
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with the mods the monitor section of MCI can now dump into the buss as well .
originally this wasnt the case as there was one line amp and it was either on the big fader or the monitor and the other saw mic.
extra amplifier stage was added to make this happen.
the 428 becomes 56 returns.
the monitor path is the super clean path with no additional xformer action.
big fader = all the color
obviously there is no eq on the monitor but still its nice to have the additional returns and with the extra option of super clean.
Old 8th June 2010
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sounds great, glad it's working for you.

cheers,

jeremy
Old 8th June 2010
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Rob, great work on the new Dr. Dog record!
Old 8th June 2010
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Rob, great work on the new Dr. Dog record!
Oh yes... those guys will be filling stadiums in a while. mark my words.
Old 11th September 2010
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Info on Elliott Smith's 'Somebody that i used to know'

Hi Rob,

If you are still around I have a question regarding Elliott Smith's 'Somebody that i used to know". I really love this song. I was wondering if you remember any recording details. Were the double tracked acoustic guitars recorded first and then the vocals added later, or was it a case of getting a master take of elliott playing guitar and singing, and then recording a second performance to the master?

Also any info on gear used for this song? The acoustics sound fantastic. Really dry and woody. Are you using higher ratio compression for the acoustics at the recording stage, or is it a case of them being recorded with moderate comp during recording and then further compressed during mixing stage? If you get my drift?


Many thanks Rob, from a big fan of your work and Toms.
Old 11th September 2010
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[QUOTE=Bobbob;5777094 I have a question regarding Elliott Smith's 'Somebody that i used to know". I really love this song. [/QUOTE]


My favorite Elliot Smith song. I am anxious to read this too!
Old 13th September 2010
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hmmm,
generally we used to do it with vocal and gtr live,
get the master take and then elliott would double it in the same manner.
it was pretty amazing.

i think that was the case for "somebody i used to know" as well.
with the exception of the extra overdubbed gtr bits.

microphones were probably a 67 on the gibson J50.
and probably a soundelux U95S for vocals as
that was the vocal mic of choice for figure 8.
compression would have been 1176's or 3A's on the acoustic (cant exactly remember) while tracking and 1176/CL1B combo on vocals.
or something like that.
painstaking care was taken in gettng the two mics to have a nice phase relationship.
and when i say painstaking, i emphasize pain.
Old 14th September 2010
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Rob,

How is the MCI treating you? You've had some nice mods done.

What mods do you think are essential for someone who wants to get ease of use and the best possible sound out of their 400b series (without being quite as extravagant as yours)?

These are the mods already been done to my console by previous owner:

Audio power supply and some IC positions have been modified to suit NE-5534 OP Amps.
One channel has ‘Trans-Amp’ mic preamp fitted.
All channels have active balanced line input mods.
Reworked buss levels to reduce signal to noise by 15dB.
Reworked earthing & supply filtering to reduce hum.


Anything ring any bells to you? I'm definitely considering wiring up ELCO's to the punch blocks or perhaps even replacing them altogether....

Cheers
Old 14th September 2010
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Try coming in to the patchbay fader in. Makes a huge difference.
Old 14th September 2010
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the MCI is still not 100% as i've had to make a bunch records and couldnt wait any longer.
as it stands now though, i would say i'm digging it.
it offers a variety of tone options.

as to whats essential, thats hard to answer.
non of them are essential.
they work as is.
tons of hit records were made on them stock.
i think it would be more, what bothers you about it
and attack it from there.

i think charles bought some of these
SE-DOT5™ RED and BLUE DISCRETE OPAMPS
and put them in his console.
it might be an interesting option.


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Rob,

How is the MCI treating you? You've had some nice mods done.

What mods do you think are essential for someone who wants to get ease of use and the best possible sound out of their 400b series (without being quite as extravagant as yours)?

These are the mods already been done to my console by previous owner:

Audio power supply and some IC positions have been modified to suit NE-5534 OP Amps.
One channel has ‘Trans-Amp’ mic preamp fitted.
All channels have active balanced line input mods.
Reworked buss levels to reduce signal to noise by 15dB.
Reworked earthing & supply filtering to reduce hum.


Anything ring any bells to you? I'm definitely considering wiring up ELCO's to the punch blocks or perhaps even replacing them altogether....

Cheers
Old 15th September 2010
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Rob,

Couldn't find any other contact info so I sent you a PM about rates etc
Old 17th September 2010
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Thanks Rob.
It is quite incredible Elliott doubling his performance like that. Whenever I try, it certainly doesnt turn out the same. But its a great way of keeping the performance mojo opposed to separately tracking each individual element. Would he double performances to a metronome, or simply record the first take and record to that?

Did you typically use the mics in figure 8 or cardioid when using this setup?

Also Rob did you typical roll off alot of low end when recording Elliotts acoustic guitars? I seem to hear that during XO theres a lot more low end on the acoustics, but by figure 8 the acoustics seem pretty low end free.

Thanks again Rob.
Old 18th September 2010
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sometimes there was a click other times no.
mics in cardioid
low passed around 200.
tone changed depending on finger picking, strumming with fingers or strumming pick.
i think i've posted this before but the concept was large diaphragm for finger picking and small diaphragm for strumming.
but not always just depending on how it sounded
and what else was going on in the song.

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Thanks Rob.
It is quite incredible Elliott doubling his performance like that. Whenever I try, it certainly doesnt turn out the same. But its a great way of keeping the performance mojo opposed to separately tracking each individual element. Would he double performances to a metronome, or simply record the first take and record to that?

Did you typically use the mics in figure 8 or cardioid when using this setup?

Also Rob did you typical roll off alot of low end when recording Elliotts acoustic guitars? I seem to hear that during XO theres a lot more low end on the acoustics, but by figure 8 the acoustics seem pretty low end free.

Thanks again Rob.
Old 18th September 2010
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Rob Forgive me if this has been asked, but what were Elliot's main guitars and what tunings did he use(acoustic)
Old 18th September 2010
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Thanks Rob for the info.

Have you heard the the remastered version of 'Roman Candle'? To my ears its a definite improvement, not so thin and more in line sonically with the stuff on 'New Moon'. I love 'Go By' on the New Moon record, did you and Tom every try to record that song with Elliott?
Old 18th September 2010
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we definitely recorded a version of that song.
i'm not sure which version got used on new moon.


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Thanks Rob for the info.

Have you heard the the remastered version of 'Roman Candle'? To my ears its a definite improvement, not so thin and more in line sonically with the stuff on 'New Moon'. I love 'Go By' on the New Moon record, did you and Tom every try to record that song with Elliott?
Old 20th September 2010
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either or was the yamaha cant remember the model number
XO was a 60's gibson country and western and a 63 epiphone texan
and the yamaha
figure 8 was the '63 texan and a '57 J-50.
Old 22nd September 2010
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Last question Rob and then i'll stop picking your brain!!

Regarding Elliotts double tracked / harmony vocals. Any info on how you treated them? Everytime I record double track vocals I seem to get weird phase issues, which I dont hear on your work with Elliott.

Did you ever delay the multiple vocals away from each other? Also I am right in hearing that you grouped the vocals together as a unit and then compressed, eq'd, chorus'd? together?

Many thanks Rob.
Old 23rd September 2010
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panning them off one another left and right.
helps keep the chorusing down.
there was absolutely no tuning what so ever.
fully analogue.
we cut them with compression and eq.
usually an 1176/LA3A or 1176/CL1B combo
we'd have 4 to 6 tracks(or more) of harmonies and buss the blend down to a stereo pair and compress on its way back to tape.
maybe compress them again in mixing.
none of the compression was super heavy.
more a series of safety nets.
the various stages of compression would get the vocals to sit real nice in the mix.


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Last question Rob and then i'll stop picking your brain!!

Regarding Elliotts double tracked / harmony vocals. Any info on how you treated them? Everytime I record double track vocals I seem to get weird phase issues, which I dont hear on your work with Elliott.

Did you ever delay the multiple vocals away from each other? Also I am right in hearing that you grouped the vocals together as a unit and then compressed, eq'd, chorus'd? together?

Many thanks Rob.
Old 27th September 2010
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Thanks very much for the info Rob.
Old 27th September 2010
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Threads like this are why gearslutz continues to amaze me. I own every album Elliott put out and the first four are in my personal top 25 of all time.
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