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Old 28th March 2010
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hey Rob. How'r those mod'd Oktava's treating you? I'll be in LA with a big box of mics the first week of April for shootouts at Capitol and a few other places. If you want to try out some different mics let me know and I'll send them your way when I'm finished.
Old 28th March 2010
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hi michael

i use them all the time.
all of them.
modded 012's with 33mm modded capsules.
(sometimes as overheads lots on piano and acoustic.
sometimes on gtr amps.)
mkl 102 with the modded 33mm capsule(vocals)
mkl 2500 modded(whatever).

i got some other stuff i wanna send to you but have been too busy(and broke)
to do it but it will happen.
i'm dying to hear your capsule.
love to check out whatever you got while yer out here.
i start tracking another thing i think after easter sometime.
Old 28th March 2010
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the dave collins ones?
Yes .i had some older revisions in here a while ago and preferred my vintage ones.
they did some changes since and i heard em again.glad i did.
I have the current versions here and they are great
Old 28th March 2010
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thats cool to know although luckily for me i got two old pultecs(20 some odd yrs ago)
that i'm very content with.

what did they tweek on to dial them in further?
Old 28th March 2010
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thats cool to know although luckily for me i got two old pultecs(20 some odd yrs ago)
that i'm very content with.

what did they tweek on to dial them in further?
transformers.

have you heard them?
I have some old ones too and the new retro [which is awesome].
damn,even beat up used ones are getting really pricey.
it's nice to know there's an alternative to buying old ones.
Old 29th March 2010
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havent heard them.
Old 2nd April 2010
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hey Rob. How'r those mod'd Oktava's treating you? I'll be in LA with a big box of mics the first week of April for shootouts at Capitol and a few other places. If you want to try out some different mics let me know and I'll send them your way when I'm finished.
hey michael,
are you here this week or next.
i'll be at the sound factory tracking some drumbs next week if you're gonna be around.
just down the street from capitol.
let me know

rob
Old 2nd April 2010
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Hey Rob!

I'll be in LA next week - April 6/7/8. At Capitol 10am - 2pm on the 8th.

Gearslut Dr. Bill "mic madness" Pearson has been contracting the talent and studios and generally doing a bang up job organizing multiple sessions. Send me an email: michael at OktavaMod.com and I'll put you in touch with Bill since he's local and would best be able to arrange a mic hand-off or get together.
Old 6th April 2010
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Sorry if not related to you Rob but sounds like we have some Elliott Smith remasters coming this week. Will be interesting to hear. Not sure it will add anything though.
Old 6th April 2010
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i think thats larry cranes department
Old 8th April 2010
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Hi Rob,

Thanks so much for chiming in here, this has been a cool thread to read!

You are probably sick of Elliott questions but I have a strange one for you.

As a studio owner in Chicago, and a record collector with 10 thousand LPs in my collection I obviously jumped at the chance to Download some weird stems that showed up online recently of the song "L.A." by Elliott Smith. I love the sound of that record and would rank it as an all time classic, in terms of production aesthetics... so naturally I was curious about your working methods.

I'm not sure how true to the master tapes these tracks are but I have a kick, snare, OH, guitars, vocals, bvs, bass and something else I think. Some of them are stems with stuff combined and some are individual tracks like kick, snare, etc.

When I cued up the stems in PT's, together, everything sounded like the album but when I listened to the tracks individually it got pretty wild!

The snare, in particular, confounded me completely. It sounds like what you were doing was actually intensely gating it so it ducked down to silence when it wasn't being hit... or maybe the in-between segments were trimmed out in PT's in between the hits. It was a wild sound and individually it sounded really weird but when worked into the mix it made total sense. I would never have thought of doing anything like that.

I was wondering if this is how it was really recorded or if it's just some weirdo thing that "Guitar Hero" did to the tracks...

(I don't own guitar hero, or any video game system so I have no idea about those things)

...sorry for the long winded question...

thanks!!!
Old 8th April 2010
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what the ****?
stems?
there were no such things then
we mixed to tape.
did main mix, vocals up, vocals down
instrumental accapella and hit the leader tape.


nah its not how the snare is on tape.
very strange .
i wonder what the hell this is about and where it came from.
.....and how it came from wherever it did.
Old 8th April 2010
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Yeah, man!

I didn't mean to freak you out!

Like I said I have never seen or heard the actual game myself (the idea of it weird to begin with) but I got a copy of these tracks somehow and my inquisitive mind had to ask you wtf.

As for "stems" ...
I mainly track and mix on a scully 280b 1" 8 track and scully 280 2 track through an old langevin board from the late 60s. It's sort of an archaic way of recording but I was brought up on tape and it just still sounds good to me.

I was actually just out in L.A. last week picking up some spare parts for my Langevin and saw a huge stash of electrodyne/sphere/langevin/quad 8 parts that this guy had... along with the original design blueprints for everything.

pretty wild.

Is your stephens still for sale?



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what the ****?
stems?
there were no such things then
we mixed to tape.
did main mix, vocals up, vocals down
instrumental accapella and hit the leader tape.


nah its not how the snare is on tape.
very strange .
i wonder what the hell this is about and where it came from.
.....and how it came from wherever it did.
Old 8th April 2010
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wow, scully and langevin, nice.
although i never had love for the scully's i have come into contact with.
they were always way beaten down by the time i was working on them.
is your langevin one of the those black ones with the 2 band EQ?

and you found electrodyne stuff?

any 709 modules for sale?

sounds like you you just stepped into(or out of) a time machine.
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wow, scully and langevin, nice.
although i never had love for the scully's i have come into contact with.
they were always way beaten down by the time i was working on them.
is your langevin one of the those black ones with the 2 band EQ?

and you found electrodyne stuff?

any 709 modules for sale?

sounds like you you just stepped into(or out of) a time machine.
Yes, the langevin is the model that you speak of. It's a fairly limited eq but sounds it pretty righteous anyway. The scully I love... probably because of the germanium transistors and the UTC transformers. It has a "wooly" sound. "wooly"... like a mammoth.

the time machine was intense but yeah, it had to be done.

i can ask about the 709's

oh, is your tape machine still for sale?
Old 9th April 2010
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the stephens is for sale.
i need to fix the amphenol connector on the remote
though.
which i havent had time to deal with.
Old 10th April 2010
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Cool.
Is this the 16 or 24? private message me about what kind of price you are considering? I would have to figure out if it was within my budget...
I've been in the market for a 16... even if it needs work.


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the stephens is for sale.
i need to fix the amphenol connector on the remote
though.
which i havent had time to deal with.
Old 11th April 2010
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well it originally was a 32 but i bought it with 24 electronics
and a 24 headstack.
it was originally from producers workshop.
had some heavy records done on it.
we made alot of records on it too.
great sounding machine.
Old 13th April 2010
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well it originally was a 32 but i bought it with 24 electronics
and a 24 headstack.
it was originally from producers workshop.
had some heavy records done on it.
we made alot of records on it too.
great sounding machine.
Sounds cool, what are you looking to get out of it?
Old 5th May 2010
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has anyone tried martin logan electrostatic speakers in a control room setting?
Old 5th May 2010
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I haven't used them in a control room setting, but something similar - high end A/V screening rooms.

Brief history - For 15 years I worked for David Blackmer (dbx Inc. and Earthworks mics founder) at his cinema exhibition sound company Kintek Inc. and got really grounded in the theatrical presentation of complex film mixes. From there I went on to design high end professional screening rooms and home theaters. My signal chain was Lexicon processor -> Bryston Amps (Bag End subwoofers) and Martin Logan or Genelec speakers.

The Martin Logan speakers were always built into a large sound-absorptive "coffins" to absorb the back wave. I was not interested in the bidirectional pattern of these electrostatic speakers - only their fast transient response, flat frequency response and wide horizontal dispersion which is ideal for screening / home theater rooms. The Bag End subs were the only subs fast enough (at that time) to keep up with and blend with the Martin Logans.

The company I worked for did quite a few installations with Martin Logan speakers across the front L/C/R positions (behind perforated screens) and with four or six in-wall Martin Logans for the surround array which was augmented by one to four surround channel subs.

Impeccable imaging, fast, punchy and transparent. Really could "hear into" a complex film mix. We won a number of CEDIA and Robb Report awards for the design and execution of these systems which ran in the $100K range for the audio portion alone.

But when we used to blast Joan Osborne's "One of Us" (which was a hit in those days), it was practically a religious experience on a Bryston / Bag End / Martin Logan system.
Old 7th May 2010
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so was this before martin logan built their own subs into the speakers?
Old 7th May 2010
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yeah. though they had 12" drivers in the bottom below the panel. flat to about 60Hz. so I'd cross-over into a subs below that. oh, I always used a sub for each speaker postion - not for pure SPL, but to better match the speaker location in the frequency range where bass is directional and also drive the room from multiple points instead of lumping all the bass into a single sub and single point in the room that would be subject to strong nodal behavior.
Old 7th May 2010
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for my brain(and ears) the nodey weird phasey issues trip me out.
Old 7th May 2010
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for shure. But when the back wave is totally absorbed its a different story. But that's not how electrostatics are usually used. They're tweeky speakers for audiophiles who use them pulled well into the room and away from side walls and who like to hear lots reflected sound. Not my cup of tea either.

Are you considering doing a project on Martin Logans?
Old 10th May 2010
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i'm interested in hearing them in a control room enviroment, although they seem kind of unwieldy as far as positioning goes.
Old 13th May 2010
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First off, hello to Michael Joly. Your work is amazing. I own a pair of your MJE-K47H's. I am thinking of buying a 2nd pair directly from you because they are so so so so awesome.

Also, Rob I thought of a question for you. I seem to recall reading once that you were fond of the occasional use of strange things like putting a coles microphone several feet away from a kick drum. I recently have gotten into using shotgun microphones on the kick and snare a bit.

How do you implement some of your more esoteric drum microphone approaches?
Old 16th May 2010
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i dont think there is anything very esoteric about what we do mic wise.
coles as overheads and or out in front of the kick drum isnt that exotic.

the implementation is to try to make a cool sound whether it be some kind of composite of mics that get you there or singularly.
it fits the song, has a vibe, keeps you interested or whatever.
Old 28th May 2010
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the MCI 428B is on the air!
yesterday was the first session.
its pretty interesting.
we're still wrapping our heads around it.
its kinda deep.
Old 28th May 2010
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rob, you should put some pictures up so we can check it out
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