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Old 1st June 2008
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thats my main gripe with digital period, nothing sounds as deep and wide.
but with that being said i do like some of the altiverb spaces.
and it sure is convenient.
but nothing like a real plate......
guess i should try out the bricasti and take it for a spin.
Old 1st June 2008
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thats my main gripe with digital period, nothing sounds as deep and wide.
but with that being said i do like some of the altiverb spaces.
and it sure is convenient.
but nothing like a real plate......
guess i should try out the bricasti and take it for a spin.
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It helps a bit to give the Alti/TL/Echo boy,etc their own discrete returns but still
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Old 1st June 2008
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thats my main gripe with digital period, nothing sounds as deep and wide.
Do you mean the plug-in digital or the outboard digital?
Old 2nd June 2008
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Do you mean the plug-in digital or the outboard digital?
i mean digital verses analogue.
Old 2nd June 2008
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hello Rob,

it's a pleasure to be able to have the fella behind a few of my favorite records around here...

if you don't mind me asking, do you remember what acoustic guitars Elliott was using?

i have this vague idea that it was around your time that he got a bunch of Gibsons. Sure sounds like it, especially on XO and Figure 8..

Do you remember what they were? I suppose that J-45 and i also heard of a Hummingbird?

I would also like to know a little more about the pres and comps used, if you don't mind.

Anyway, thanks in advance. These records mean the world to me and are absolute reference landmarks, both in terms of playing and song craftsmanship, as well as sonics (your part and Tom's!).
Old 2nd June 2008
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hello Rob,

it's a pleasure to be able to have the fella behind a few of my favorite records around here...

if you don't mind me asking, do you remember what acoustic guitars Elliott was using?

i have this vague idea that it was around your time that he got a bunch of Gibsons. Sure sounds like it, especially on XO and Figure 8..

Do you remember what they were? I suppose that J-45 and i also heard of a Hummingbird?

I would also like to know a little more about the pres and comps used, if you don't mind.

Anyway, thanks in advance. These records mean the world to me and are absolute reference landmarks, both in terms of playing and song craftsmanship, as well as sonics (your part and Tom's!).

elliott didnt get his J45 until after figure eight.
on xo we used a combination of a 60's gibson hummingbird and a '63 epiphone texan.
on figure eight its the texan and a '57 gibson J50.
the mic pres for XO were the sunset sound custom mic pre's that are in the studio 3 API/demideo console.
they are kinda API ish.
figure eight is a combination of things being that it was recorded all over the place.
some neve some API some EMI.
compression was probably a combo of 3A's and a CL1B.
maybe some distressors.
thanks for the kind words
rob
Old 2nd June 2008
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elliott didnt get his J45 until after figure eight.
on xo we used a combination of a 60's gibson hummingbird and a '63 epiphone texan.
on figure eight its the texan and a '57 gibson J50.
the mic pres for XO were the sunset sound custom mic pre's that are in the studio 3 API/demideo console.
they are kinda API ish.
figure eight is a combination of things being that it was recorded all over the place.
some neve some API some EMI.
compression was probably a combo of 3A's and a CL1B.
maybe some distressors.
thanks for the kind words
rob
no, thank you! thumbsup

i'm gonna be a pain (hope you don't mind) and ask you what was the processing done to his voice..basically api'sh kind of stuff, pre wise i guess...

but out of the 2 comps you mention, i suppose they would both work great for vocals..anyway, just wondering if you remember at all, no worries if you don't!

and also, there a question i always had, that i frankly could never really understand - do you have any idea of how did he get so much level into a 4 track with the built in pres and (supposedly) dynamic mics (on the first records that is)? i guess some work was done to reduce hiss, etc in mastering, but i have no idea about the levels...

i remember reading about it on tapeop, and he basically said he'dd turn everything up (pres, faders, etc.), but that would bring the noise up in a pretty extreme way. i suppose this is more or less what happened, and that the noise was more or less taken care of in mastering...but i really dunno..

any clue?

(thanks a lot again!)
Old 2nd June 2008
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Did the Greg & co give you a release date on the ATR card yet?
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Today he said 4-6 wks.

Still finalizing the Scotch 111 card.

Anyone check out the AM660 in the studio? Or know when that is suppose to be released?
Old 3rd June 2008
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no, thank you! thumbsup

i'm gonna be a pain (hope you don't mind) and ask you what was the processing done to his voice..basically api'sh kind of stuff, pre wise i guess...

but out of the 2 comps you mention, i suppose they would both work great for vocals..anyway, just wondering if you remember at all, no worries if you don't!

and also, there a question i always had, that i frankly could never really understand - do you have any idea of how did he get so much level into a 4 track with the built in pres and (supposedly) dynamic mics (on the first records that is)? i guess some work was done to reduce hiss, etc in mastering, but i have no idea about the levels...

i remember reading about it on tapeop, and he basically said he'dd turn everything up (pres, faders, etc.), but that would bring the noise up in a pretty extreme way. i suppose this is more or less what happened, and that the noise was more or less taken care of in mastering...but i really dunno..

any clue?

(thanks a lot again!)

the 4 track deal i have no idea.
i just remember it wasnt quiet.
when transferring speed trials for either/or
we might have boosted the top a little bit in the transfer
and cut it in playback.
sort of fake noise reduction.

as for processing, it was usually double compression.
there might have been an 1176 as well in the chain.
cant really remember exactly just trying to go based on old habits.
Old 3rd June 2008
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the 4 track deal i have no idea.
i just remember it wasnt quiet.
when transferring speed trials for either/or
we might have boosted the top a little bit in the transfer
and cut it in playback.
sort of fake noise reduction.

as for processing, it was usually double compression.
there might have been an 1176 as well in the chain.
cant really remember exactly just trying to go based on old habits.
thanks a lot Rob, so cool to know this stuff, thanks!
Old 29th June 2008
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got the MC012's that i had sitting in a box for a couple of years modded by michael joly.
they sound hugely improved.
he also did his capsule modification to the large M3 capsules.
they really sound good.
we've been using them on piano like crazy.
Old 29th June 2008
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that is to say, i've had them for several years and never used them so i sent them to michael for modification.
now they dont sit around in their box....
Old 13th July 2008
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tracking bass..

Hey Rob,

Hope you've been well.

Heard the vines record on their myspace this week.. great songs and sounds!

How is your personal studio comming along? will you be mixing their as well???

Was curious as to how you like to record bass?? from cab type, amp, to signal chain and how many tracks (di, live mics, sansamps bla bla) do you normally end up using when mixing?

cheers!
chris
Old 14th July 2008
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Hey Rob,

Hope you've been well.

Heard the vines record on their myspace this week.. great songs and sounds!

How is your personal studio comming along? will you be mixing their as well???

Was curious as to how you like to record bass?? from cab type, amp, to signal chain and how many tracks (di, live mics, sansamps bla bla) do you normally end up using when mixing?

cheers!
chris
hey chris

the studio is done.
the main console is not done being hotrodded yet.
its taking waaaaay longer than expected.
so right now we're in there using the 16 channel electrodyne that i planned on using as a sidecar.
sounds great though not enough for mixing.
once the desk gets in there we'll be mixing away.
as for bass
usually use either the old SVT or the flip top.
either the 8x10" cab or the 1x15".
get a good sound and record it.
signal chain usually api/neve mic pre of some sort thru an LA3A.
and thats it.

very occasionally we will use a V4 or marshall superbass.
back to work
rob
Old 4th August 2008
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there wasnt much done to elliott's voice other than compression and
a little EQ.
550A taking away a little bottom at around 200 shelf and adding a little top at around 10k shelf.
could be distessor and 1176's as well in the vocal chain.
pretty straight, nothing crazy.
seasoned to taste.
i cant help on the 4 track end.
i know nothing about what elliott did there
other than prove its not about the medium you record in
its about the songs.
use what you got.



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no, thank you! thumbsup

i'm gonna be a pain (hope you don't mind) and ask you what was the processing done to his voice..basically api'sh kind of stuff, pre wise i guess...

but out of the 2 comps you mention, i suppose they would both work great for vocals..anyway, just wondering if you remember at all, no worries if you don't!

and also, there a question i always had, that i frankly could never really understand - do you have any idea of how did he get so much level into a 4 track with the built in pres and (supposedly) dynamic mics (on the first records that is)? i guess some work was done to reduce hiss, etc in mastering, but i have no idea about the levels...

i remember reading about it on tapeop, and he basically said he'dd turn everything up (pres, faders, etc.), but that would bring the noise up in a pretty extreme way. i suppose this is more or less what happened, and that the noise was more or less taken care of in mastering...but i really dunno..

any clue?

(thanks a lot again!)
Old 20th August 2008
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standard audio level-ors
yes thumbsup
Old 20th August 2008
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standard audio level-ors
yes thumbsup
Got two in my API .. funthumbsup
Old 29th August 2008
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so those standard audio level ors really got a work out.
liked them in both the distortion mode and the level loc mode.
found that i used them more in the level loc mode as a drum buss
for pumping and breathing.
worked really well tucked under a little bit.
Old 29th August 2008
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Yeah I've been running one level mode and another in dist mode both paralleled back under the drums for a kinda mono drum destructo buss.cool.
could easily use another pair
Got your MCI up right?
Old 30th August 2008
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the mci is still not in.
its getting there though(supposedly).
its pretty tweaked out.
its friggin killing me considering it was supposed to be working all summer earning.
Old 30th August 2008
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the mci is still not in.
its getting there though(supposedly).
its pretty tweaked out.
its friggin killing me considering it was supposed to be working all summer earning.

Hey Rob! You need any help with tech stuff... lemme know. I'm down! There's not much going down in S-lake these days anyway...
Old 1st September 2008
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hey ian

thanks i just might take you up on that.
that is, once the mci gets installed and we got something to fix......

rob
Old 13th September 2008
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needs a producer

Hi Rob,

I apoloize if this is perhaps a bit uncouth, but I'm impressed by the album you just produced for Josh Radin. I'm about ready to start recording my own and I wonder if you might be willing to offer a little guidance. In the meantime, great work!

Jason
Old 7th October 2008
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Hi Rob,

I apoloize if this is perhaps a bit uncouth, but I'm impressed by the album you just produced for Josh Radin. I'm about ready to start recording my own and I wonder if you might be willing to offer a little guidance. In the meantime, great work!

Jason

i IM'd you.
Old 13th October 2008
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Smile Saves The Day bass sounds

Hello Rob,

I am a big fan of your work on Saves the Day's "In Reverie" record. I love the way the bass fits with the kick drum and the album sounds great on everything- car stereo, headphones, crappy bookshelf speakers, just everything. What kind of signal chain and mixing process did you employ for the bass? Could you point me in the right direction towards achieving that sound? I apologize if this is too gushy, but I just can't think of another album in a similar genre that sounds as good.

Thanks for hanging around the forum!
Old 15th October 2008
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ahhh unfortunately there arent really any secrets.
its tracked thru the awesome api at sunset sound factory with a soundelux 195
on an old 8X10cabinet.
on old svt head.
62 jazz bass or the old precision bass.
LA3A's and some EQ.
BASS is recorded.
Old 31st October 2008
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anybody try those speck EQ's?
any thoughts?
Old 31st October 2008
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Naw, but i hear old MCI EQ's sound killer.... brah.
Old 31st October 2008
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i certainly wouldnt know
Old 31st October 2008
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anybody try those speck EQ's?
any thoughts?
I had a Speck EQ for a while. To me it worked best as a precision 'crap' cutter... Not much of a character or 'sweetener' piece.
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