To that I agree. Music transcends the medium - whether it be analog or digital, a violin or an oil drum.

*edit***** you guys are fast... labs-- the finger monkey

cute

does it bite?


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The wonders of weed.

It's a bit out there, but I get what you're saying. All you had to say was: Get the sound right on the front end.

But I guess it's a lot deeper (and cooler) when you connect it to how sound is alive.

Well pickups do matter, to a point. To the point of getting a sound. But for me they don't matter in the least. I pick up a guitar it always sounds like me. Always. Sure, there are variations of that sound, in eq, bridge pickup, neck and in-between. It alters the way I play it. Context. But the only thing that matters to me is the hands. It's my problem. But I'm much more a musician than I am an engineer.

I came to this late. I don't see the relevance between analog and digital in the debate. That's not what I'm talking about.

Change my recording strategy? I don't know. Maybe in paying closer attention to trying to capture the sound as it's happening rather than hoping to reamp and alter/shape the sound later?

Music is art. Carpentry is not. Neither is plumbing. Art is creativity of something from nothing or something - a consideration of aestheticness.

Music is much more than a language of emotions. It is a language and it therefore contains emotions. Emotion is the most readily available, most obvious selling point of music. But it's also thought, shapes, colors and sounds we connect and associate experiences with. It's fascinating.

But the book analogy is a good one. The book uses language which lives within us. We, as audience, can duplicate it and can relate enough to experience and associate those experiences so it becomes alive with us. We make it "alive", though the words on the page are not.

[QUOTE=henryrobinett Music is art. Carpentry is not. [/QUOTE]

in the end its just MUSIC. and most of it is defenately lightyears away from being ART imho. if the human factor brings in all the art aspects, then everything humans are doing is art. so if we agree on that one we can really fast forget about the whole art idea. in most cases it just used for pseudo intellectual bull****.

its all about the FUN !

tomorrow everything will be different again

Jules, we'll keep that just between us engineers.... right?

heh You know. I didn't say it was high art, but art. There's a misunderstanding of the term art. I'm not saying you have it, but it's a common misunderstanding.

But for me, yes, music tends to be ART, with a capital A. Though most music being produced and widely distributed is art with smalll letters, IMHO. F art let's dance.

Art is self expression through a medium of letters, music, painting, sculpture, plastic, etc, that represents an idea or ideas having to do with the senses and aesthetics.

Plumbing is a craft, a creation of function and utilitarian needs. It's not art. Art can enter into craft. Craft can enter into art.

Art is fun, but it doesn't have to be. Music does not have to be fun. I have fun playing it most times. Sometimes I do not. I have fun recording it. Often I do not. I have fun mixing it. Often I do not. I have fun writing it. Most times I do not. Sometimes I have fun listening too it. Many times it's work. I have fun rehearsing it. Many times I do not.

Dance music is probably mostly craft. That's my opinion. Much commercial music is probably mainly craft. Opinion too.

for me as a musician, a guitarist, music is a curse, a horrific curse.
it has been a torment for me as long as i can recall.
this curse dictates that for me, music is art and nothing less.
entertainment often falls short of art!
a modern travesty.

I disagree.
One can go further than that.

The art of craft vs the craft of art.

The aqueducts are a technical marvel- and there is artistry there- at least to these eyes.
Commercial pop/rock, to my ears sounds pedestrian for the most part, especially compared to what I consdider 'great musical art'.
There is also a craftiness to art- compare Sargent to some horrible modern concept art and you can see the craft of art there in the former, whilst the latter is purely theoretical.
The art in architecture? What about the craft of it?

Again, to quote fripp- "The genius is artless"

JR

Let's discuss the things that really matter.

AAAAAHHHHHHH!

That's really funny, man.

Hm. Where exactly is the disagreement? Or are you disagreeing to be disagreeable? I don't see the disagreement.

I'm not arguing to argue. I'm simply making points I think are valid.

Cool. My two favorite circular conversations are incestuously commingling...

Analog v. Digital

Music as Art v. Product

anybody fancy a Pint?? .....

Don't drink. Sorry! But I'll have some mineral water.

so tell us about the little monkeys.

ouch- I cringe by the denomination "Dance". heeuuuhh (shiver)
good electronic music/dance music (pretty wide-also covers funk for me, and experimental music, etc. etc.), doesn't reach mainstream often, so even if proficient in other areas a lot of producers/artists wouldn't know it existed. this is not a negativity, just a choice. and it was (is?) HUGE in europe ...mmm and electronic doesn't mean programmed by definition, just to set the record straight. furthermore a lot of the mainstream crap is just quantised cheapass copies of something subtle not really understood. IMVHO (sorry bout the rant, guess it's thé thread now for meaningless dribble so I contributed my part )


ah well

yeah those monkeys
do they bite?

Sorry. I didn't mean to make you shiver. I consider any music created to make people dance as dance music, whether it's electronic or disco or rock'nroll hoochie-coo. That's not to say there's not the possibility of real vision or artistic merit. But when the intention is to make the masses shake their booty, or to make people respond physically rather than aesthetically, or thoughtfully, then yes, I consider it somewhat more craft than art.

BTW I like a lot of "dance" music.

And no, in my mind, the popularity of something has no bearing upon it's artistic qualifications.

When did this get in the "registered members area" only section?

Jules musta felt that such high-minded discourse should be for special GS members only.



















KIDDING!!

oh no apologies necessary thumbsup I shiver a lot hearing some talk about music
and to have all the endless discussions in one thread, eh I think mind and body are one.



(and so does my left foot heh)

But it`s your round man!!!.......

ever wondered what the buttons on darth vaders suit do?

mr. Pots
how charming you look in your avatar
where did you get your hair cut?

It`s a special little number cooked up by the wife!
lessons to be learned...never stay out drinking all night with ya pals....tutt

Sorry again. I do go on!heh

When I listen to digital ITB mixes of recordings it makes me feel sick. Why?

You tried monkey skull?




sorry dude couldn't resist

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You ate something that disagrees with you and IT'S time coincident with your ITB listening?

yes monkeys!