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Old 5th September 2011
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So, I'm now looking into whether there is a way for me to get hold of a bachelor's degree in Music Tech, but without actually attending the course.
That's not how degree-granting institutions work.
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well defined property rights are the foundation of civilisation

my problem with lawyers is that too many of them become politicians
I know, right? Michele Bachmann scares me too.

Anyways, lawyers are necessary for property rights to exist in any meaningful sense.
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That's not how degree-granting institutions work.
Have you actually read this thread?

I feel like I've explained this about 5 times over... but there certainly ARE accredited universities from which you can get a legit bachelors degree without ever stepping foot in the door:

Distance learning - University of London - UoL - online education - Undergraduate

Supposedly it's different in the U.S., because you need to go into the college to play basketball & rugby-with-helmets-and-shoulder-pads.
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Have you actually read this thread?

I feel like I've explained this about 5 times over... but there certainly ARE accredited universities from which you can get a legit bachelors degree without ever stepping foot in the door:

Distance learning - University of London - UoL - online education - Undergraduate
It seems like you're switching back and forth between "getting a legit bachelors degree without ever stepping foot in the door" and "getting a legit bachelors degree without having to take classes." The first is possible; the second isn't. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "never attending a course"... maybe you meant "physically attending." But you'll have to attend, virtually or in person, if you want a degree. No reputable institution awards degrees on the basis of a student's personal experiences prior to their arrival at the college/university.
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Supposedly it's different in the U.S., because you need to go into the college to play basketball & rugby-with-helmets-and-shoulder-pads.
As other people have mentioned, you'd be better off looking at a 2 year technical or associate's degree instead of a bachelors. The curricula associated with these degrees are limited to specific subject matters and aren't intended to offer a full education across the range of the liberal arts and sciences; they just prep you for a particular job. It doesn't sound like a BA is what you want.
Old 5th September 2011
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hey dude, just skimmed the thread, thought I'd throw in a few points (Japan related ones anyway). Probably repeating stuff that's been said but this thread is loooong.

3 year degree is fine, that "4 year only" stuff is bunk.

There are working holiday visas available (provided you're under 30 I think....but there are exceptions occasionally). Only a year but there is always the "easy" way out after you've settled in- marry a Japanese national! :P

I would not advise trying to go to a Japanese Uni, unless you already had a degree and fancied doing a masters, which would be beside the point. Or unless you're already fluent at Japanese, don't mind sitting through totally banal classes and don't mind the fact that nearly all the staff are edit: not so much in the brightness stakes (go KSU!).

There is also of course, visa hopping to Korea and, which is only really an option if you're not engaged in any "official" employment, and isn't a long term solution at all (although rumour has it there are guys that have gotten by with that for quite a while).

If I think of anything else I'll let ya know lol
When you said KSU did you mean Kansas State?

If so, I hope Bill Snider (who I respect immensely) decides to actually stick it out through the dissolution of the Big 12 and subsequent relegation of K State to a "power" conference like the WAC or MAC.

Boomer Sooner!!!!

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Have you actually read this thread?

I feel like I've explained this about 5 times over... but there certainly ARE accredited universities from which you can get a legit bachelors degree without ever stepping foot in the door:

Distance learning - University of London - UoL - online education - Undergraduate

Supposedly it's different in the U.S., because you need to go into the college to play basketball & rugby-with-helmets-and-shoulder-pads.
Hey now! Basketball paid for my unthankful ass to sit in multiple classrooms and lecture halls for 4 years!

Don't go killing us athletic scholarship attendees!



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well defined property rights are the foundation of civilisation
Whether for better or worse might be disputed. Or maybe you never read Rousseau's Discourse on the Origins and Basis of Inequality at your "local uni."
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somewhere between libertarian and ronald reagan
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Whether for better or worse might be disputed. Or maybe you never read Rousseau's Discourse on the Origins and Basis of Inequality at your "local uni."
It's definitely for the better. Rousseau's description of natural man (prior to the institution of property) is utterly ridiculous. But now we're WAY off topic...
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It seems like you're switching back and forth between "getting a legit bachelors degree without ever stepping foot in the door" and "getting a legit bachelors degree without having to take classes." The first is possible; the second isn't. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "never attending a course"... maybe you meant "physically attending." But you'll have to attend, virtually or in person, if you want a degree. No reputable institution awards degrees on the basis of a student's personal experiences prior to their attending the college/university.
There is no 'switching back & forth'.

Check the link re assessment on those University of London courses:
Assessment - Creative Computing - Goldsmiths - University of London International Programmes
... Let's imagine for a minute that I've spent the last ten years working as a web designer; attending multiple college courses/studying off my own back for my own benefit/reading lots on the subject... All I need do is turn up to the relevant exams after having enrolled on this course.
Yes- the natural expectation is that most people would spend the year reading about Java etc. ... But if I already know about Java to a sufficient standard to pass the exam, then I don't need to read again what I already know!!


Well, I haven't spent the last ten years in web design... I've spent the last ten years attending multiple college courses/studying off my own back for my own benefit/reading lots on the subject of MUSIC PRODUCTION.

So, it was just a simple question if anyone knew of a course like this... but that was in the discipline of music production.


University of London is a HIGHLY respected institution that comprises King's College, Imperial College, LSE & UCL among many other colleges. It's not some Mickey Mouse 'diploma mill'.

Likewise, 'Music Technology' is now becoming accepted as a legitimate academic discipline.




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As other people have mentioned, you'd be better off looking at a 2 year technical or associate's degree instead of a bachelors. The curricula associated with these degrees are limited to specific subject matters and aren't intended to offer a full education across the range of the liberal arts and sciences; they just prep you for a particular job. It doesn't sound like a BA is what you want.

We are really going around in circles here... already covered about three times in this thread... what you are talking about is very specific to U.S. degrees.
Old 5th September 2011
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You can't have it both ways. No serious or prestigious program is going to give you a BA degree for being you.
They won't give you a BA, but they'll give you a PhD.

Berklee College Honorary Degree Recipients



Good luck Simon!
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As other people have mentioned, you'd be better off looking at a 2 year technical or associate's degree instead of a bachelors. The curricula associated with these degrees are limited to specific subject matters and aren't intended to offer a full education across the range of the liberal arts and sciences; they just prep you for a particular job. It doesn't sound like a BA is what you want.
You're missing the entire point of this thread. He's not getting a work visa on a 2 year college degree. Not in Japan he's not.

BUT! I just remembered, Japan does offer a kind of degree-equivalence if you can show 10 years in a particular field. I'm not sure what's involved as far as necessary documentation, but there should be something on the Japan Immigration Bureau website. It wouldn't work for English teaching as it needs to be career specific, though.

In addition, you can get a visa if you classify as an entertainer/performer without any particular kind of degree or diploma needed. For both of the last two you need an employer willing to sponsor you - ie., a long term DJ or studio gig or something.

But like I said earlier Simon, really, you don't need to worry about any of this. You qualify for a spousal visa, you're fine. You may find you have a hard time getting a job from outside of the country because the schools that recruit internationally want that piece of paper. But once you're inside and can show up for interviews to smaller places, you'll be fine. The fact that they don't need to be on the hook for sponsoring a work visa for you (it reflects badly on them if you do something bad, or leave mid-contract) is a big plus.

If you've got general questions about Japan in particular, the forums at gaijinpot.com are a gold mine. There's a lot of misinformation and just plain dumb/useless advice that gets thrown around about Japan on the web, but the people there have years of actual hands on experience grappling with the Japanese administrative octopus, and generally know what the real laws are, and what's going to fly and what won't.
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There is no 'switching back & forth'.
... Let's imagine for a minute that I've spent the last ten years working as a web designer;
Yes- the natural expectation is that most people would spend the year reading about Java etc. ...
Actually java isn't used much in web design - you're probably thinking of javascript which is a completely different language.

College is all about realising that what you thought you knew, you really only half knew, which is a useful thing to realise.
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Whether for better or worse might be disputed. Or maybe you never read Rousseau's Discourse on the Origins and Basis of Inequality at your "local uni."
I'm sure he hates Rousseau.

Either way, lawyers are a necessary part of an organized society. Unless you want to settle everything by duels. Most people are woefully ignorant of how necessary laws, lawyers, and government are to things like individual rights and private property. If you dislike how things are run, it has little to do with the existence of lawyers or the existence of laws. The solution isn't fewer lawyers or fewer laws; the solution is having different laws. And to some extent, having more lawyers would be beneficial since a greater supply of lawyers would drive down the cost of legal services, making it easier for everyone to receive good advice and fair representation.

Like owning the copyright in your own music? How meaningful is your copyright if you can't enforce it in court?

But, yeah, I agree, it's always the lawyers' fault. All we do is just make money and exploit everyone else without any regard for the well being of others. Kind of like capitalists, actually. Funny how that works.

Oh, guess what, I'm Jewish too. Anyone have an opinion on that?

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Old 6th September 2011
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Sorry to hijack, but this seems like its pretty close to on topic....

Can anyone reccomend me a few schools in the Americas (americas preferably, but any english/french speaking school would work) that offer Music Tech degrees AND is a top university? The top university part is to please my parents...

Schools I'm applying to include NYU Tisch, USC Thornton, UWash (DxArts), Northeastern, and McGill. The ideal school is also in a city, allowing for me to get my music out there a bit easier... I'm also looking at UC Berkeley because they allow for you to possibly create your own major.

Any ideas?

And in reply to OP...sounds like a long shot to find a school like that
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Actually java isn't used much in web design - you're probably thinking of javascript which is a completely different language.
Jesus ******* H Christ. I'm NOT CLAIMING I COULD ROCK UP & SIT THE EXAMS IN WEB DESIGN/COMPUTER PROGRAMMING/WHAT THE **** EVER... I was illustrating the point that this is NOT my specialist field.

From the same course, in the same link I posted for anyone else that cant be ****ed to click it:
Web programming in Java (NOT Java Scripting)


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College is all about realising that what you thought you knew, you really only half knew, which is a useful thing to realise.
It seems from this thread that college teaches you to be a sanctimonious, condescending ****.
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best school & program you could attend imo would be UC San Diego's Computer Music or Composition programs. They offer all the way up to a pHD and it is one of the leading institutions for research in all of america.
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I'm sure he hates Rousseau.

Either way, lawyers are a necessary part of an organized society. Unless you want to settle everything by duels. Most people are woefully ignorant of how necessary laws, lawyers, and government are to things like individual rights and private property. If you dislike how things are run, it has little to do with the existence of lawyers or the existence of laws. The solution isn't fewer lawyers or fewer laws; the solution is having different laws. And to some extent, having more lawyers would be beneficial since a greater supply of lawyers would drive down the cost of legal services, making it easier for everyone to receive good advice and fair representation.

Like owning the copyright in your own music? How meaningful is your copyright if you can't enforce it in court?

But, yeah, I agree, it's always the lawyers' fault. All we do is just make money and exploit everyone else without any regard for the well being of others. Kind of like capitalists, actually. Funny how that works.

Oh, guess what, I'm Jewish too. Anyone have an opinion on that?
rousseau who ?
never heard of him !!

you bragging or complaining about that?
I had a Jewish colleague who told me that youknowho was Jewish too.
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Those black helicopters you see out your window? They belong to the federal government, and they're all watching YOU.
CIA has tapped our phone for over 40 years.

Wall phone broke.
Put it in the trash.
Next morning that bag had been stolen off our trash can.
First time in 35 years at this location that ever happened.
Clearly they wanted their bug back.

They didnt really need it in the house.
There is a microwave transmitter on the light pole out front.
They can listen in to everybody whose power is on the same line as that light. Amazed me when I read about that capability about 20 years ago. Captured USSR docs showed how the KGB (or whoever back then) could listen to conversations in a building using only the florescent lights to capture a miniscule signal and couple it to the power line. They could dig it out from under the noise.
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I had a Jewish colleague who told me that youknowho was Jewish too.
Lord Voldemort was JEWISH?

SERIOUSLY?
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best school & program you could attend imo would be UC San Diego's Computer Music or Composition programs. They offer all the way up to a pHD and it is one of the leading institutions for research in all of america.
but he didnt want to GO to a school at all
he wants to BUY a DEGREE for what he has already learned
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That's the difference between a Bachelors degree and a tech degree. The former implies a well rounded education on several core subject areas with additional study on a certain area (your major). I hope they do not give you a bachelors degree unless you attend the school like everyone else did.
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Lord Voldemort was JEWISH?

SERIOUSLY?

yupp.........
and darth vader too, so I have been told.
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but he didnt want to GO to a school at all
he wants to BUY a DEGREE for what he has already learned
I don't know why you are choosing to twist it.

What I've said from the start is that I wanted to know of any colleges that award their degrees based on tests (in the same way that the University of London does)... but in the field of Music Tech.


From my OP:


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boils down to either sitting exams or creating portfolios to demonstrate the candidate's knowledge of the topic.
So I don't know why people keep trying to subtly contort this as though I'm just saying I want to 'buy' a degree (?).
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That's the difference between a Bachelors degree and a tech degree. The former implies a well rounded education on several core subject areas with additional study on a certain area (your major). I hope they do not give you a bachelors degree unless you attend the school like everyone else did.
You know what might be a fricking bonza-pie idea-

... If in these incredible bachelor's degrees, they had the following two courses:

1.) There are actually some other countries in the world besides the USofA.

2.) How to take the time to appreciate what has already been said (and refuted) seven times already in a discussion before you blunder in and say it again.

They wouldn't even take long to administer... just miss out one hour of baseballs one week, then one our of Nascar the following week.
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I don't know why you are choosing to twist it.

What I've said from the start is that I wanted to know of any colleges that award their degrees based on tests (in the same way that the University of London does)... but in the field of Music Tech.

From my OP:

So I don't know why people keep trying to subtly contort this as though I'm just saying I want to 'buy' a degree (?).
not twisting anything but that is essentially what you want to do.

there is nobody that can prove, test out, or do a portfolio for EVERY CRAP CLASS that a REAL (usa) UNI demands you take for a degree.

in usa no real uni does music TECH.
Plenty that do music.
But music tech is not a usa uni offering.

You have to go to a for profit school, usually NOT accredited for something like that. And none of those schools every let you test out or substitute experience.

**IF** london is actually legit, and much evidence on the net questions that, then that would be about your only viable option.

as I said earlier YOU SHOULD CHECK WITH OMAN to see if they take their degrees.

if push comes to shove find a new obscure legit sounding name of a diploma mill and get a degree cheap. then apply with it. if oman says okay problem solved. if not then go to plan b or c.
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rugby-with-helmets-and-shoulder-pads.
You mean football-but-you-just-use-your-hands?
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there is nobody that can prove, test out, or do a portfolio for EVERY CRAP CLASS that a REAL (usa) UNI demands you take for a degree.
Corr blimey guv'nor, I'll be sure to run around to Cambridge & Oxford to let them know they're doing it wrong.

Sorbonne don't even have inline hockey or roller derby on their essential curriculum... bloody philistines.

Thanks America... you've saved the world again!!
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With Japan you can only have one type of Visa -- it just makes sense to use your marital status. Your CLETA certification would probably stand alone as "specialized" training -- especially if you have three years or related work experience. I would go through an immigration lawyer though since that is what they do full time -- I would not risk doing the paperwork yourself. This Japanese lawyer really seems to know what they are doing -- just to get a consult would be worth the money. JAPAN : visa, immigration, working visa, spouse visa

As for applying to the UAE or something like that I would put something down like this:
2009 CLETA certification
2001 B.A. Southern Wales University, music technology

Send in the CLETA certificate but not the BA -- I doubt they check. the main key seems to be, in either case, work experience for at least 3 years. Just make sure the BA is from a place with few exchange students.

TEFL Jobs in the United Arab Emirates - Teach English in the United Arab Emirates

Personally I bet you would make more money as a DJ in Dubai and go there under a performer visa.
Just wanted to add, you are chatting complete turd.

The UAE will not acknowledge any degree unless it has been legalised first by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and then by the UAE Embassy, and the certificate has been signed by a public notary or practicing solicitor.

The FCO has a list of accepted universities and so if you use some "buy a degree for £1000" place, your certificate will get rejected by the FCO, and thus by the UAE Embassy, and you don't get a visa.

Just because the UAE is in a desert, it doesn't mean it's full of stupid, naive, idiots. The arabs have traded oil internationally for hundreds of years and just because they seem a little bit 'simple' it doesn't mean they can't spot a dodgy degree a mile off. And it's not the charity state that Britain is, if you try to fob them off about your qualifications they'll just not let you in their country. They're simple in that respect.
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