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Old 21st December 2010
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Finding local talent?

Heya,

I have a studio now in my basement now and can't develop my tracks any further unless people rap or sing over them so I can add final touches etc.

I'm doing this for fun and not as a business and offer my services for free as long as I like what they have to offer.

My problem is, I can't find any artists. I've emailed maybe about 20 so far saying what's up and I don't get any response. None. These are all independent people who don't have even have a mixtape out etc. Those that do have their 'stuff together', are living the outdated fantasy of getting a 'deal' or 'signed' and don't want to speak to people that can't 'do something' for them.

Man if I was in their shoes and a producer offered to cut me an album for free, I'd be on that in 2 seconds so can someone tell me how to find local talent that is excited and wants to put in work and create something? I feel like I'm looking in the wrong places?

Also do all the artists really believe they're going to be rich and famous? Like where is their head at?

Thanks..
Old 21st December 2010
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you need to go find a place called "the hood"....and look for some fellows chillin' out on the corner "tippin' forties" and "slangin rocks"...these guys can usually "spit hawt fiya"....serious.
Old 21st December 2010
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Where do you live?
Rappers are a dime a dozen so unless you are in some remote faraway desert island you should have no problem.
Old 21st December 2010
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Finding local talent?

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Old 21st December 2010
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Turn off your computer and walk outside... There are more Unsigned Rappers than Hot Chicks in this world...
Old 21st December 2010
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Turn off your computer and walk outside... There are more Unsigned Rappers than Hot Chicks in this world...
And many more to come just as soon a they get dropped by their labels.
Old 21st December 2010
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are there any hip-hop events or live shows in your area? clubs?
Old 21st December 2010
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are there any hip-hop events or live shows in your area? clubs?
Not that many..

Here in Canada in the Toronto area most people are second generation carribean immigrants. Very much like the UK. We don't have the US black slave thing going on here. So there is a different swag and accent from the urban artists up here.

I found 1 guy up here who is probably only the artist in North America who is doing exactly what I'm looking for. I'm trying to break a sound here called 'Grime' that has been going on in the UK for almost 10 years.

Here is the artist who won't respond to me:

YouTube - Tre Mission - When I Come Thru (Prod. Deeco) OFFICIAL VIDEO

If you happen to be curious about what Grime is and what I believe will be the next 'big thing', here is a sample of it when it was peaking in 2006.. i'm heavily producing this kind of sound and it takes a special artist that can keep up..

YouTube - DJ MONDIE - PULL UP DAT
Old 21st December 2010
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We don't have the US black slave thing going on here.
yeah, get some slavery going and you'll have no shortage of rappers
Old 21st December 2010
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Finding local talent?

Dude, you're in a big city like Toronto and you can't find people? I'd understand if you live in backwoods Alabama or something. You need to get out and try a little harder. Sending a random unsolicited emails to 20 people is not my idea of trying. Check out Soundclick, Myspace, all those websites and forums. Go to shows and open mics in your city. There's tons of moves you could be making. Emailing 20 people is not trying very hard
Old 21st December 2010
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Not that many..

Here in Canada in the Toronto area most people are second generation carribean immigrants. Very much like the UK. We don't have the US black slave thing going on here. So there is a different swag and accent from the urban artists up here.

I found 1 guy up here who is probably only the artist in North America who is doing exactly what I'm looking for. I'm trying to break a sound here called 'Grime' that has been going on in the UK for almost 10 years.

Here is the artist who won't respond to me:

YouTube - Tre Mission - When I Come Thru (Prod. Deeco) OFFICIAL VIDEO

If you happen to be curious about what Grime is and what I believe will be the next 'big thing', here is a sample of it when it was peaking in 2006.. i'm heavily producing this kind of sound and it takes a special artist that can keep up..

YouTube - DJ MONDIE - PULL UP DAT
Theres a site called like hip hop canada or something, go there find artists hit them up on twitter, look whos following them, search through and hit them up too, search "Send beats toronto" in the twitter search box also....
Old 21st December 2010
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Most rappers have a strong idea of the kind of beats they want. It's not an easy task to get someone from America (Canada) to spit on that stuff (grime). I've tried with mixed success. It's not a new sound either. I was spinning the precursor to grime in 2000.

So your problem may be that they are like, "What the eff is this?" because they don't get the sound or the context, or they think your grime beats are wack.

Can we get a sample of what you are sending out? I think you have a better chance of getting rappers on dubstep. I strongly doubt grime is the next big thing here.

"It's a Black slave thing, you wouldn't understand."
Old 21st December 2010
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Lol I can't answer your ? can I just say that I totally **** with that track! That's some sick production. That's not even grime that's like grime x dubstep 2.0.

Actually I'll say that if you stay true to your style, you'll create a niche for yourself and if you truly think it's dope then SOMEBODY will eventually get it.
Old 21st December 2010
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Also do all the artists really believe they're going to be rich and famous? Like where is their head at?
thus is hip-hop
Old 21st December 2010
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I was having the same problem. Just post an ad on the "Talent Gigs" section of Craigslist and you should be able to find a few. Most of them will suck but occasionally you'll get some raw talent that can be honed.
Old 21st December 2010
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man I go to school in the hood, like serious north london hood nd its ****ing hard to find people.

Specially people who shot, their never around you make arrangements and their tipping its just not feasible. Also if your looking for someone who does more than just rap about their dick and their guns, its almost impossible.

If your a rapper and wanna colab hit me up hahah
Old 21st December 2010
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I've had this problem while spending some time in Clarksville, TN. 45 minutes from Nashville. Though the problem wasn't finding artists to work with on my off time, but to find QUALITY artists WORTH my off time.

Im sure you'll find someone, you just got to put yourself out there a bit more. Attend talent shows, and opening acts. See if you can talk to people, and don't come off too strong. Maybe it's the way you approach your prospects. How do you talk to them?
Old 22nd December 2010
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yeah, get some slavery going and you'll have no shortage of rappers
Supposedly there are two types of black in the US. Those with the slave ancestry, and those that immigrated. I saw this differential being made on Youtube. Supposedly Little Wayne, Gucci Mane and them are from slave ancestry. People like Nicki Minaj, Drake, and the rest are just mixed immigrant genes.

Here we just have Caribbean immigrants pretty much like the UK but barely even Africans. I feel their style and accent does not jive well with US Hip Hop and definitely has more in common with what is going on in the UK.. The UK was able to get the two styles going. And here it doesn't exist.

If you want to see how we do it in Toronto, see the video below. These people are not from the slave ancestry. They are pertty much immigrants or second gen. This SHOULD give birth to new swag but it just isn't happening here or in the US where there is a HUGE growing number of Caribbeans in NY.

YouTube - Journey Sound Canada(It A Party)09 pt1
Old 22nd December 2010
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Dude, you're in a big city like Toronto and you can't find people?
No. They must be here because there are so many here.. but it must be a cultural thing of living in Canada and not perusing dreams or racially segregating.. not sure.. the UK doesn't have this problem at all and they're just as socialist and tyrannical as our gov't so I don't see why this is.. I'm still trying to pinpoint the reason why. One guy said that artists only want stick to their groups of friends these days and not deal with strangers.

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Check out Soundclick, Myspace, all those websites and forums. Go to shows and open mics in your city. There's tons of moves you could be making. Emailing 20 people is not trying very hard
Yeah I've tried all that. I just say hi and ask some questions and never get a response. But I am a bit picky as my stuff is not amature.. I'm a strong 'mediocre' and have the potential to be 'good' so I dont want to deal with someone who sucks or is too amateur.
Old 22nd December 2010
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Theres a site called like hip hop canada or something, go there find artists hit them up on twitter, look whos following them, search through and hit them up too, search "Send beats toronto" in the twitter search box also....
Yeah I've tried that forum. Didn't help at all.

Actually you are right about twitter. I'm not a twitter person but last night I logged in and that's where all the 'stars' seem to living. I think this is the place. I just wish I could send people messages privately on there because pretty much my conversations are open for everyone to see..
Old 22nd December 2010
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Can we get a sample of what you are sending out? I think you have a better chance of getting rappers on dubstep. I strongly doubt grime is the next big thing here.

"It's a Black slave thing, you wouldn't understand."
Yeah but you're in LA. There's no way the slave ancestry there is going to like electronic dance music. But this is normal for people of the Caribbean ancestry where all their dance hall ragea is pretty much electronic dance music... That's why Grime was created from rhyming over jungle and drum and base in the 90's. Actually back around 2005 and remeber playing this
with Napa rhyming on it and there was never a person that didn't like it. But it's something that wouldn't be understood from people from slave ancestry.

Time to break a new sound up here starting in Canada. It's coming!
Old 22nd December 2010
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Lol I can't answer your ? can I just say that I totally **** with that track! That's some sick production. That's not even grime that's like grime x dubstep 2.0.

Actually I'll say that if you stay true to your style, you'll create a niche for yourself and if you truly think it's dope then SOMEBODY will eventually get it.
Wow and you're in TEXAS!! NICE!! See I told you the sound is about to break!!!

I want to bring in dance/dubstep/baseline with that fast Carribean dem!!!
Old 22nd December 2010
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I was having the same problem. Just post an ad on the "Talent Gigs" section of Craigslist and you should be able to find a few. Most of them will suck but occasionally you'll get some raw talent that can be honed.
Yeah I tried Craigslist it didn't work at all. I messaged two people.. no response. Here we don't have a lot of open mic shows like in the US. I think there's one a year. If there is more I'm not aware of it.
Old 22nd December 2010
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Yeah I tried Craigslist it didn't work at all. I messaged two people.. no response. Here we don't have a lot of open mic shows like in the US. I think there's one a year. If there is more I'm not aware of it.
Where the rap game begins in Toronto - thestar.com
Old 22nd December 2010
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Yeah but you're in LA. There's no way the slave ancestry there is going to like electronic dance music.
That's so wrong and sounds real uhmm.. but I'm outta this thread because of Gearslutz ban on politics.
Old 22nd December 2010
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I've had this problem while spending some time in Clarksville, TN. 45 minutes from Nashville. Though the problem wasn't finding artists to work with on my off time, but to find QUALITY artists WORTH my off time.

Im sure you'll find someone, you just got to put yourself out there a bit more. Attend talent shows, and opening acts. See if you can talk to people, and don't come off too strong. Maybe it's the way you approach your prospects. How do you talk to them?
Yeah I agree that it has to be worth my time.. I've 'thrown' lots of tracks together. But you know how much time and effort it takes to mix vocals and perfect the track. I don't want to do the second step unless the person is worth my time. Especially since it's all for free.

I have a Youtube channel now and though about just shooting videos of myself fooling around and showing off my beats and inviting people over pretty much. Also I think speaking to local DJ's on twitter might be a good start.

The thing is.. the artists need to realize that they aren't going to make money here in Canada or the UK. We do NOT have the cash that you guys in the US have. Our labels will sign you for nothing and you'll make nothing and get nothing but a bit of niche fame and some show money.
Old 22nd December 2010
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Yeah that's the roots style hip hop scene that I really, REALLY dislike. Not my cup of tea at all hehe.. but thanks for the link.
Old 22nd December 2010
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That's so wrong and sounds real uhmm.. but I'm outta this thread because of Gearslutz ban on politics.
I'm trying to explain demographics.. same as you saying that Americans would think Grime sucks etc. I'm trying to say that within Canada, UK we have different ancestry of our potential urban artists. It's a demographic statement that's all.
Old 22nd December 2010
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I'm trying to explain demographics.. same as you saying that Americans would think Grime sucks etc. I'm trying to say that within Canada, UK we have different ancestry of our potential urban artists. It's a demographic statement that's all.
I never said that.
Old 22nd December 2010
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There are tons of rappers in Toronto, I think you need to go out there, go to clubs, shows etc and talk to them like I do. It's not that hard. There's a lot of talent in Toronto.
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