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Old 21st July 2005
  #31
very simply put there exist people in all cultures that thrive on chaos, war and the oppression and degradation of civil liberties that follow it.

These might be terrorists, that use the random violence as a means to gain trust and respect of their followers. IMO their final goal is to create a world that they like. And with nothing else in it. They are coward bastards, that use barbaric tactics. To bomb a bus to get media coverage. If it is true, a nail bomb is specifically horrible. BASTARDS
Governments, elected or not, have their hardliners too. IMO their goal is also to create a world that they like. And yes, also with nothing else in it. They use other tactics.
Freedom, and civil rights are flexible for both.

It is not a good feeling to be caught in the middle. (and standing in a metro) My allegence is with what I believe in: Freedom civil rights and respect for other cultures, believes, and the planet at large. Those are violated a lot the last few years. Look what happened in Sudan. Disgraceful. Now there are no more people to kill over there, so the atrocities will stop. Look at Madrid NY London. Look at Guantanamo Bay. Look at Irak. Look at Venezuela. Groups of people benefit of making a mess of it, and don't care if people die or other things get f*cked. Make a mess or a prison of our part of the world and we're done too. Environmental terrorism is next.

To me it is clear that there are no sides. Just groups of people with interests. I am not with those that want to f*ck with what I believe in. Doesn't matter where they come from or what clothes they wear. They have a cold heart. It is important that we choose our leaders wisely. Also to have a suitable response for the cowards that did this in London. And any other in the future. Precise, hard and direct.
(IMO not that guy that keeps falling off his bike.) Make no mistake. There an attempt of manipulation coming from both (read: a lot of) sides. Talk with people. Real information is worth it's weight in gold.

my sympathies with all the brave people of London.
Old 21st July 2005
  #32
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speaking up is cool, but casually throwing around the "R" word takes away from your argument, imo.
even if you don't agree with dpasch, you should at least have tolerance for his point of view. i don't think he deserves to be called a "racist" any more than you do
I have zero tolerance for anybody who 'sticks' attributes on people based on their color/religion/sex/whatever....

There is no war between the muslim and the non-muslim world, that's paranoid BS on a 'axis of evil' intelligence level.

I have nothing but contempt for these terrorist, it too makes me sick, hearing about this stuff. I'm also VERY careful with the 'we had this coming' theories that are so widespread all of a sudden.

No, what I was getting at is the loss of reason during times of stress or anxiety. People are so vulnerable then of taking 'righteous' stances.

Emotional reactions ('emotion', the pride of the busy 'civilized amd industrialized' man) are WRONG here, although they're understandable, I'm not free of 'em either.

Anyway, I want to apologize to dpasch, I might have overreacted too, so let's go on with discussing





















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Old 21st July 2005
  #33
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i like muslims.

Old 21st July 2005
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Originally Posted by CorkyTart
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I'll bet you anything that the terrorists weren't Jewish, weren't Christian, werent Hindu weren't Atheist. You get the idea...
So what? Muslims rock. Jews, Christians, Hindis, Athiests suck. fuuck
Old 21st July 2005
  #35
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waiter? check, please...
Old 21st July 2005
  #36
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i like muslims.


Me too, they make great targets....



-tINY

Old 21st July 2005
  #37
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look, you can NOT terrorize people who do NOT fear death with war.

you want to terrorize them?

drop millions of nude female pictures all over their countries.

drops kegs and kegs of alcohol over there.

find out what offends them and do it. thats what i do with xtians.


do things that are OFFENSIVE.

they only "terrorize" all of you because you fear death.... christians for the most part fear death more than anything else... look at pro-life AND pro-deathpenalty [its punishment] and not allowing people to come off life support.
Old 21st July 2005
  #38
i am usually pretty good at putting myself in someone elses shoes but as hard as i try i cannot imagine what drives people to do something like this. they may have delusions of acting guided by a higher power but 99,99999999% of people no matter what religion would tell them they are insane
Old 21st July 2005
  #39
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Originally Posted by alphajerk
look, you can NOT terrorize people who do NOT fear death with war.

you want to terrorize them?

drop millions of nude female pictures all over their countries.

drops kegs and kegs of alcohol over there.

find out what offends them and do it. thats what i do with xtians.


do things that are OFFENSIVE.
who is "them" and "their countries"? oh, i forgot, its the terrorist countries where no one fears death and wants to see nude women
Old 21st July 2005
  #40
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Nice post AJ. I agree completely. These people don't care about dying or war or being shot at or having bombs dropped on them. They think it's an honor to die in war. It's like trying to kill Japanese suicide bombers, they're going to die either way so what do they care?

I think we should send Jenna Jameson to the middle east on a "recon mission".
i reckon most iraqi's would rather welcome jenna jameson than a foreign occupying military force
Old 21st July 2005
  #41
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Alphajerk should work for the counterterrorism agency!!! Great idea. But you forgot gay muslims pornos having sex in a muslim mosk ! No blood and less money spent!!!!I do not understand Ted Kennedy with the gitmo stuff. Yes is wrong to torture and kill people , but woman's underwear on their heads? Naked women interrogating?etc. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Old 21st July 2005
  #42
******s

pleze
FGS
it is not about a country or a culture or a religion.

al quada never had ANYTHING to do with Iraq
stating they do is downright moronic (like in this thread)

the bombers in London 2 weeks ago were ENGLISH citizens

confusing things contributes to this problem of madness



stike
Old 21st July 2005
  #43
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Ugh. Why does almost every thread get hijacked and turned into political **** stirring.

I blame the Americans.

Death to all Americans.

"Joke"

Old 21st July 2005
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Originally Posted by CorkyTart
I'll bet you anything that the terrorists weren't Jewish, weren't Christian, werent Hindu weren't Atheist. You get the idea...

What's it like to have your foot in your mouth at the same time you have your head up your ass?

Please don't assume that others share your racist attitudes.

Old 21st July 2005
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Livingstone is the best!
Old 21st July 2005
  #46
oh yeah.
he'll get a lot of flame for that
very brave
Old 21st July 2005
  #47
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Jules,
You should of had that Koran finger printed. It could have been left by a bomber.
No **** Sherlock.. But after my and my wife had our mitts on it and I dropped it to the floor (thinking why am I handling this? Ricin or anthrax anyone?) it was, overall shall we say, a distracting journey / time to be sitting on a bus.... our bus detoured... and drove right past the site where the previous weeks bus had blown up... we literally inched past the site, (which was covered in flowers) drove past the British Medical Association building, where I noted from my top deck vantage point that a good job had been done to clear off the blood spatters we saw on it on TV last week... People on the bus were chattering getting reports of the attempted attacks - and I was accessing this thread on gearslutz via GSM on my PDA (gave me useful info....) my attention was more "focused" on keeping an eye out on our immediate surroundings ensuring there were no suspicious persons or luggage...that might blow US up...

That kept me FAIRLY busy.... so we forgot about the little book.

We had to abandon our diverted bus journey at Kings cross and get a cab home to safety..

But I will phone Scotland yard and share the info with em tomorrow.. insignificant that it may be now..
Old 21st July 2005
  #48
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Originally Posted by zmix
What's it like to have your foot in your mouth at the same time you have your head up your ass?

Please don't assume that others share your racist attitudes.



Nice, not even sharp enough to understand the difference between Race and Religion....



-tINY

Old 22nd July 2005
  #49
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Punch me and/or my loved ones in the face repeatedly over and over again, there is gonna come a time when I defend myself and when you got no choice, attack can sometimes be the only form of defence.

Go visit an Iraq hospital and then come and talk about terrorism. What is happening in the west is a fraction of what occurs in other parts of the world and sadly to say we are responsible for a lot of it.

Truth is truth. It doesn't matter whose mouth it comes from. Jews kill, christians kill, muslims kill, atheists kill, buddhists kill, hindhi's kill, all people from all societies have killed but we are equally capable of doing good things for others.

Half the worlds animals have become extinct in the last 100 years and right now we can only seem to agree on one thing, and that is that someone is responsible. Unfortunately we are unwilling to accept any of the blame. Every single person on this planet is responsible for its situation and we are all contributing to this situation whether it be passively, actively, aggressively or ignorantly.
Old 22nd July 2005
  #50
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Nice, not even sharp enough to understand the difference between Race and Religion....



-tINY

heh heh heh heh heh
Old 22nd July 2005
  #51
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703965.stm

Eye witness reports from todays atempted bomb attacks...
Old 22nd July 2005
  #52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zmix
What's it like to have your foot in your mouth at the same time you have your head up your ass?
hehe... why don't you tell us?

... sorry, couldn't resist...
Old 22nd July 2005
  #53
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What's it like to have your foot in your mouth at the same time you have your head up your ass?

Please don't assume that others share your racist attitudes.

I don't want to be responsible for figuring out who the internal terrorists are. I think patriotic muslims ought to police their own Mosques and weed out the pyschos. If they don't, don't be suprised when internment camps rear their ugly heads again. Society has evolved to the point where hardcore murderers are being protected by freedom of speech and freedom of religion. That won't last long if attacks keep occuring. It's gonna be hell for the majority of good muslims who just want to go about their lives in peace. Honestly if you are a muslim living in the western world you are going to have to prove your alegiance to western civilization at some point and that means protecting your fellow citizens be they christians, jews, muslims, hindus, athiests, ect.... If leaders at mosques are preaching violence and hatred turn them in. You will save yourselves.
Old 22nd July 2005
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I don't want to be responsible for figuring out who the internal terrorists are. I think patriotic muslims ought to police their own Mosques and weed out the pyschos. If they don't, don't be suprised when internment camps rear their ugly heads again. Society has evolved to the point where hardcore murderers are being protected by freedom of speech and freedom of religion. That won't last long if attacks keep occuring. It's gonna be hell for the majority of good muslims who just want to go about their lives in peace. Honestly if you are a muslim living in the western world you are going to have to prove your alegiance to western civilization at some point and that means protecting your fellow citizens be they christians, jews, muslims, hindus, athiests, ect.... If leaders at mosques are preaching violence and hatred turn them in. You will save yourselves.
Much as I hate this thread to degenerate into this... I have to agree...

I know most Muslims are good people, but it has gone to the stage where they have to issue Fatwa against terror tactics in the name of Islam... It's no use condemning terrorism after the fact...

Nathan
Old 22nd July 2005
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I think we should send Jenna Jameson to the middle east on a "recon mission".
or angelina jolie as 'lara croft'
Old 22nd July 2005
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i am usually pretty good at putting myself in someone elses shoes but as hard as i try i cannot imagine what drives people to do something like this. they may have delusions of acting guided by a higher power but 99,99999999% of people no matter what religion would tell them they are insane

yah i don't understand why the US etc, a "nation under god" is driven to explode hundreds of thousands of people to itty bits. i guess they're all insane! Wait, no. I forgot. Fighter jets are cool, guns are cool, guided smart bombs and elite combat specialists who kill more efficiently are cool. muslims and middle easterners and other wierd looking people aren't, because they're different, and besides, they're on "the other team". For a people who are terrified of death (perhaps because deep inside they feel burning guilt for being such an idiot, justifying murder, justifying greed, pointing a rocket launcher at the face of god) those people sure enjoy, are entertained, are thrilled by, are excited by, and united by causing death. All I have to say is that what you do returns to you, and one day, no matter how many nukes you have, no matter how many "bad guys" you've debrained, no matter how much cash you've grabbed, no matter how patriotic you were or how informed (ha) you were by the television, YOU WILL DIE and your precious worshipped body will fester and rot, even if you paid a couple Gs to have it pumped with chemicals, preserved, and sealed in an airtight, waterproof, wormproof box.

Sometimes I get pissed and annoyed at this rabble which can't even think, but then I remember that no matter how big the hive gets, the little bees will all one day die and the hive will blow away in the wind. Go ahead and report me to homeland security if you want. People panicking because a tiny insignificant percentage of the population being killed or injured is hillarious. Go team!

Have fun being afraid

Old 22nd July 2005
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oh and i think it's great that some people are doing something to shake things up. too bad they're being moronic murderers like the "other team" though isn't it! At least they're not killing as many eh? My friend is a marine and he's killed at least twenty people in the past year! Why isn't there a manhunt for HIM? Fu-- this world. The end.
Old 22nd July 2005
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oh and i think it's great that some people are doing something to shake things up. too bad they're being moronic murderers like the "other team" though isn't it! At least they're not killing as many eh? My friend is a marine and he's killed at least twenty people in the past year! Why isn't there a manhunt for HIM? Fu-- this world. The end.
It pointless to comment on this sh*theads idiocy but anyways F*ck You, you're a serious asshole.
Old 22nd July 2005
  #59
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So what? Muslims rock. Jews, Christians, Hindis, Athiests suck. fuuck
You're rrr-eat!
Wish we had more of you around. Maybe you could just kill the rest of us and spare Allah the trouble. Try getting laid once in a while assh*le. You are so f*cking confused it's sickening.


Welcome to the 7th century folks.
Old 22nd July 2005
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It pointless to comment on this sh*theads idiocy but anyways F*ck You, you're a serious asshole.
Wow. Chill out. You must realize by now that Bush invaded a country under false pretenses and that over 120,000 Iraqi civillians have died as a result? We're lucky more retalliation hasn't happened for this cold blooded murder of innocent people.
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