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Old 21st August 2007
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Here's a link to a very relevant Time Magazine article on the current state of Hip Hop. It should be required reading for us all.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,...653639,00.html

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Here's a link to a very relevant Time Magazine article on the current state of Hip Hop. It should be required reading for us all.

Hip-hop's Down Beat -- Printout -- TIME

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So what did u think of it?
Old 22nd August 2007
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It's crazy because it's not going to change until they find out how to sell 10 million Mos Def Cd's or 5 million Common cd's!

Trust me I don't see that happening soon.
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Old 22nd August 2007
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I think this topic has been mulled over quite a bit on this board. In the end cd sales are down but what about ringtones? iTunes? Bootlegging? Where did the article mention those factors? I agree that that the substance in rap/hip-hop has become redundant...BUT, I also agree that it has/had a lot to do with the label itself, there are A LOT of under-acheivers in the game now. I've heard artists on mixtapes or underground CD's that usually make me turn the radio station shock the hell out of me, and make me re assess my thoughts on their "skill" or "ability". Point blank sex and violence SELL. I don't care what billboard says. It will more than likely ALWAYS be that way. Its just going to take some tinkering to figure out a NEW way to get it to the masses.
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Rap is just SOOOOOO rehashed. The most gangster, explicit lyrics just come off as contrived, even by the hardest rappers. ITS NOT EDGY TO BE EDGY ANYMORE!! The problem is, its not hard to rap average, so EVERYBODY's making an album. But the few dudes who have niched themselves as unique will continue to grow and sell records, while the rest fight for their 15 minutes on the radio with their generic snap song. Its the same with ANY genre. When you've niched yourself, you sell records. When your generic, your only as good as your song. Sometimes you have one generic hit song after another and your name becomes a representation of the quality control of your music. Now depending on weather YOUR the one picking or writing the songs, you'll last up until the point you start thinking you know everything and stop trusting the producers and writers who got you there.
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Rap is just SOOOOOO rehashed. The most gangster, explicit lyrics just come off as contrived, even by the hardest rappers. ITS NOT EDGY TO BE EDGY ANYMORE!! The problem is, its not hard to rap average, so EVERYBODY's making an album. But the few dudes who have niched themselves as unique will continue to grow and sell records, while the rest fight for their 15 minutes on the radio with their generic snap song. Its the same with ANY genre. When you've niched yourself, you sell records. When your generic, your only as good as your song. Sometimes you have one generic hit song after another and your name becomes a representation of the quality control of your music. Now depending on weather YOUR the one picking or writing the songs, you'll last up until the point you start thinking you know everything and stop trusting the producers and writers who got you there.
I think the problem is in the very nature of how music is made. There is no "work" in it. It's all mechanical. Artist goes to hear "beats" Artist writes raps to beats. Label pushes records. It's an assembly line. What needs to happen is better songs/albums. The profanity is not the problem. It's SUBSTANCE that's lacking.

A great record is a great record. But today nobody is reflecting life in the mainstream of what's being pushed. Someone needs to have the edginess but really reflect life. (Kinda like when your mom came home from work and you hadn't cleaned the crib so she yelled "BRing your ass down these stairs before I knock the **** out of you." It was profanity, but it had a point. You KNEW she'd knock the **** outta you. Today Everybody has seen Scarface and stolen the plot (Overlooking the part where he DIED).)

I think Pimp C has the best criticism of Hip Hop from within.
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I think the problem is in the very nature of how music is made. There is no "work" in it. It's all mechanical. Artist goes to hear "beats" Artist writes raps to beats. Label pushes records. It's an assembly line. What needs to happen is better songs/albums. The profanity is not the problem. It's SUBSTANCE that's lacking.

A great record is a great record. But today nobody is reflecting life in the mainstream of what's being pushed. Someone needs to have the edginess but really reflect life. (Kinda like when your mom came home from work and you hadn't cleaned the crib so she yelled "BRing your ass down these stairs before I knock the **** out of you." It was profanity, but it had a point. You KNEW she'd knock the **** outta you. Today Everybody has seen Scarface and stolen the plot (Overlooking the part where he DIED).)

I think Pimp C has the best criticism of Hip Hop from within.
yea i agree.. i just dont believe anybody anymore... Its become so cliche to say certain things that if you REALLY meant what you were saying, you'd put it in way thats fresher, that shows you been thinking about it and you MEAN IT.

i hate to admit it but Kanye actually does this... the way he says things, you can see he was excited about what he was saying.. i dont even LIKE kanye, but....
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It's crazy because it's not going to change until they find out how to sell 10 million Mos Def Cd's or 5 million Common cd's!

Trust me I don't see that happening soon.
i don't even think it's about that................it should be about the labels pushing a variety of ****, like the article mentions.

choice is good. i love mexican food but i can't eat it every day. some days i need some sushi, or some indian food, or a damn cheeseburger with fries.

a lot of people don't have the time or just don't care to seek out other music. they just stick with the same channels of distribution they've always known.
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Hold up, wait a minute!!

Let's not get carried away.

It looks like the Time reporter lifted his/her info from this much earlier article, but deliberately didn't tell the whole story.

Hidden agenda perhaps?



Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - The Virtue of Closed Platforms: Album Sales Slump while Ringtone Sales Soar
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I think the problem is in the very nature of how music is made.
yes, this is the way the product gets created. hip hop became a cliche, and it "filtered" itself into a state where all you can hear is resonance.

styles and careers turned into gimmicks and one hit wonders.
it is similar to what happened to pop in the 80s.

Eric mentioned the "generic" part and this is crucial to developing an unbiased view on what's happening: you can download a rhyme helper, you can scan music for it's key and moods, you can easily re-synthesize sounds or even (old school way) sample them from the source.

what this gets you is three verses and a beat in 15 minutes.
and what you get out of it is said 15 minutes of fame.
that's an easy equation. and it still works (most of the time).

the other problem is, that people grow up believing that making "hit records" is hard. but it is only as hard as knowing technology well enough to be able to "re-synthesize" the current status quo and being able to create a nice image for the artist, (of course) full of "gimmicks". plus the money to tell every Average Joe that THIS is the only real deal.

and those willing to invest in creating such an image are those who can make the most profit of it: big conglomerates called "majors".

the saddest part about hip hop is that most "producing it" feel entitled to success, but not by selling the best PRODUCT, but by selling THEIR PRODUCT, because THEY created it. so if you wonder why your raps about Sudan and Iraq don't sell as much as the Black Eyed Peas last single, ask yourself if you should concentrate on making money or sending out a message.

it is very hard to do both at the same time - but it is quite easy to pick one side.
the "real MCs" like Jay Z, 50 cent or even Snoop Dogg chose money.
blame yourself for believing all these years that there was some mystic, real message behind it.

that's all a part of the image.
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Let's not get carried away.

It looks like the Time reporter lifted his/her info from this much earlier article, but deliberately didn't tell the whole story.

Hidden agenda perhaps?



Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - The Virtue of Closed Platforms: Album Sales Slump while Ringtone Sales Soar
If you think ringtones are going to sustain this industry for even the next 3 years, I'll sell you the Big Silver and White dome in New Orleans. It looks super. And I'll throw in 2 blocks of Canal street and a Zulu Coconut.
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yes, this is the way the product gets created. hip hop became a cliche, and it "filtered" itself into a state where all you can hear is resonance.

styles and careers turned into gimmicks and one hit wonders.
it is similar to what happened to pop in the 80s.

Eric mentioned the "generic" part and this is crucial to developing an unbiased view on what's happening: you can download a rhyme helper, you can scan music for it's key and moods, you can easily re-synthesize sounds or even (old school way) sample them from the source.

what this gets you is three verses and a beat in 15 minutes.
and what you get out of it is said 15 minutes of fame.
that's an easy equation. and it still works (most of the time).

the other problem is, that people grow up believing that making "hit records" is hard. but it is only as hard as knowing technology well enough to be able to "re-synthesize" the current status quo and being able to create a nice image for the artist, (of course) full of "gimmicks". plus the money to tell every Average Joe that THIS is the only real deal.

and those willing to invest in creating such an image are those who can make the most profit of it: big conglomerates called "majors".

the saddest part about hip hop is that most "producing it" feel entitled to success, but not by selling the best PRODUCT, but by selling THEIR PRODUCT, because THEY created it. so if you wonder why your raps about Sudan and Iraq don't sell as much as the Black Eyed Peas last single, ask yourself if you should concentrate on making money or sending out a message.

it is very hard to do both at the same time - but it is quite easy to pick one side.
the "real MCs" like Jay Z, 50 cent or even Snoop Dogg chose money.
blame yourself for believing all these years that there was some mystic, real message behind it.

that's all a part of the image.
But I'm IN the game and I don't like most music. I don't care about the message, or the profanity when they go with good records. The 3 dudes that you name as choosing money all make some pretty good records. Sure Jay doesn't match Reasonable doubts every time, and Snoop doesn't touch his first album, but they make some pretty good records.

The problem is that we can't say that about many.
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i don't even think it's about that................it should be about the labels pushing a variety of ****, like the article mentions.

choice is good. i love mexican food but i can't eat it every day. some days i need some sushi, or some indian food, or a damn cheeseburger with fries.

a lot of people don't have the time or just don't care to seek out other music. they just stick with the same channels of distribution they've always known.
the internet is a platform which is not under the control of the majors (yet).
you can start your own presence, find your own audience and sell your own product.
it is not easy to find your own niche, but in the end this will be the stars of tomorrow - those who can independently sell millions without selling a physical product.

of course it is much easier to blame Burger King for not catering to YOU, instead of simply finding that indian restaurant around the corner and that sushi shop two blocks away.
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the internet is a platform which is not under the control of the majors (yet).
you can start your own presence, find your own audience and sell your own product.
it is not easy to find your own niche, but in the end this will be the stars of tomorrow - those who can independently sell millions without selling a physical product.

of course it is much easier to blame Burger King for not catering to YOU, instead of simply finding that indian restaurant around the corner and that sushi shop two blocks away.
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But I'm IN the game and I don't like most music. I don't care about the message, or the profanity when they go with good records. The 3 dudes that you name as choosing money all make some pretty good records. Sure Jay doesn't match Reasonable doubts every time, and Snoop doesn't touch his first album, but they make some pretty good records.
so am I. but what I was trying to say is, that no matter if created artificially or by "mother nature", in the end it's a product.

there is a small (it looks big on MTV) industry creating the music, but there is a much bigger industry and apparatus selling and promoting it.
so it doesn't matter if JayZ and Snoop are real. what really matters is, if there are people willing to pay for a team of specialists to make the audience aware that they are "realer" than the rest.

it was not profitable to sell Rhianna as a Calypso-Star, but it was easier and more profitable to make her a pop/dance/hip hop-starlet.

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The problem is that we can't say that about many.
Sam Bowie was picked before Michael Jordan heh

over-confidence is the number one killer when it comes to careers in the music industry. so while every single dude making beats thinks he's the best, not a single person in the 80s would bet their life on a 1-on-1 game with Jordan. heh
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so am I. but what I was trying to say is, that no matter if created artificially or by "mother nature", in the end it's a product.

there is a small (it looks big on MTV) industry creating the music, but there is a much bigger industry and apparatus selling and promoting it.
so it doesn't matter if JayZ and Snoop are real. what really matters is, if there are people willing to pay for a team of specialists to make the audience aware that they are "realer" than the rest.

it was not profitable to sell Rhianna as a Calypso-Star, but it was easier and more profitable to make her a pop/dance/hip hop-starlet.



Sam Bowie was picked before Michael Jordan heh

over-confidence is the number one killer when it comes to careers in the music industry. so while every single dude making beats thinks he's the best, not a single person in the 80s would bet their life on a 1-on-1 game with Jordan. heh
Of course it's all a product in the end. But the bulk of what's pushed today byt that much bigger industry/apparatus is junk. And it's reflected in the fact that people are catching on. It's not because of profanity. It's because it's become surreal. It's only so long kids can watch the superfriends.
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If you think ringtones are going to sustain this industry for even the next 3 years, I'll sell you the Big Silver and White dome in New Orleans. It looks super. And I'll throw in 2 blocks of Canal street and a Zulu Coconut.

You don't think ringtones and/or iTunes can sustain this industry? I do think CD sales are needed but even diminshed sales coupled with other avenues of revenue would still make hip hop a big machine(If not the biggest) in the music world.

Times are changing, technology is different, I remember when one cellphone offered music downloads(for a fee) only how long ago, 2, 3 yrs ago tops? Now as far as I know all of them have their own "music store" for their subscribers.

Maybe we just have to assume the days of huge first and second week record sales won't be the same again. I'm willing to put money up that the last time records sold in the millions the first 1 or 2 weeks was right before cellphone companies started coming up with ways to bring the songs to you, right before iTunes and other DL sites, legal or otherwise. I think the money is still coming in, just in different ways. IF that is true, then were not going to see ANY of these changes some people want. When MONEY stops coming in, thats when things might change.
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the internet is a platform which is not under the control of the majors (yet).
you can start your own presence, find your own audience and sell your own product.
it is not easy to find your own niche, but in the end this will be the stars of tomorrow - those who can independently sell millions without selling a physical product.

of course it is much easier to blame Burger King for not catering to YOU, instead of simply finding that indian restaurant around the corner and that sushi shop two blocks away.
yo trust me, that's what i'm in the process of trying to do........

heh
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You don't think ringtones and/or iTunes can sustain this industry? I do think CD sales are needed but even diminshed sales coupled with other avenues of revenue would still make hip hop a big machine(If not the biggest) in the music world.

Times are changing, technology is different, I remember when one cellphone offered music downloads(for a fee) only how long ago, 2, 3 yrs ago tops? Now as far as I know all of them have their own "music store" for their subscribers.

Maybe we just have to assume the days of huge first and second week record sales won't be the same again. I'm willing to put money up that the last time records sold in the millions the first 1 or 2 weeks was right before cellphone companies started coming up with ways to bring the songs to you, right before iTunes and other DL sites, legal or otherwise. I think the money is still coming in, just in different ways. IF that is true, then were not going to see ANY of these changes some people want. When MONEY stops coming in, thats when things might change.
HELL NO they can't NOt ringtones. How long before kids simply make ringtones instead of buying them? How long before they are not even popular?

If we write off the decline of record sales and justify it with "ringtones" we are are ignoring the Iceberg and Riding the Titanic. True things will chane when money stops coming in. But it's slowing NOW. And it's not good business to wait till money stops to figure out what to do.

We can delude ourselves into thinking the negative numbers are just record companies lying, or articles with agendas, but we have a real problem.

You wanna bet the farm on a fad?
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HELL NO they can't NOt ringtones. How long before kids simply make ringtones instead of buying them? How long before they are not even popular?
3 years.

it's a system that we've copied from Europe (the same time Jamba was sold to Jamster, ringtones became popular in the US).

after broadband connections (for mobile devices) will be the standard across the US, the next step will be (mobile) television, with video on demand (you can watch your Top10 NBA plays of the week in school or watch the Simpsons - for a small fee of course), etc...
the Europeans are ahead of the US by 2-3 years - and in this time of exponential growth in technology, that's like half a century.

by that time the music industry as we know it will be dying (2-3 years) and channels like MTV will be faced with serious "online" competition (3-4 years).

I know that, because I'm in the middle of starting one of these companies and got the money to pull it off.

back to topic:
you guys should watch Byron Hurt's "Beyond Beats and Rhymes" documentary.
it is a "must watch" for all those who play or want to play with the "Big Boys". thumbsup
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HELL NO they can't NOt ringtones. How long before kids simply make ringtones instead of buying them? How long before they are not even popular?

If we write off the decline of record sales and justify it with "ringtones" we are are ignoring the Iceberg and Riding the Titanic. True things will chane when money stops coming in. But it's slowing NOW. And it's not good business to wait till money stops to figure out what to do.

We can delude ourselves into thinking the negative numbers are just record companies lying, or articles with agendas, but we have a real problem.

You wanna bet the farm on a fad?


I see why you're saying that now, you think its just a fad? I think its the new wave of technology. Not just ringtones though, so let me clear that up, but actully buying music over your phone, thru iTunes, buying a ringtone instead of a poster etc. Just the new ways of revenue in the music buisness in general. I'm sure when 8 tracks and CDs first came out they might have been met with some skepticism as well. Times change and while I grew up on buying CD's to listen to music 11 and 12 yr olds now are gettin mommy and daddy to buy the new Nokia with 5GB of storage. Thats a lot of songs, and I'm sure that fills up quickly. I bought 12 songs from sprint for $10. Why go buy a CD when I can make one? I just bought Fabolous ($14) new joint tho, its cool, but thats the first CD I've bought in yrs. I just think things are different, but not to send the hip hop industry into a panic, BUT I do agree substance is lacking, BUT music is subjective and what I think is rediculous (ahem Soulja Boy) others eat it up(hundreds at the club the other night). NOW that snap ****, is a fad. Ringtones and such, I dont think...but you never know.
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I see why you're saying that now, you think its just a fad? I think its the new wave of technology. Not just ringtones though, so let me clear that up, but actully buying music over your phone, thru iTunes, buying a ringtone instead of a poster etc. Just the new ways of revenue in the music buisness in general. I'm sure when 8 tracks and CDs first came out they might have been met with some skepticism as well. Times change and while I grew up on buying CD's to listen to music 11 and 12 yr olds now are gettin mommy and daddy to buy the new Nokia with 5GB of storage. Thats a lot of songs, and I'm sure that fills up quickly. I bought 12 songs from sprint for $10. Why go buy a CD when I can make one? I just bought Fabolous ($14) new joint tho, its cool, but thats the first CD I've bought in yrs. I just think things are different, but not to send the hip hop industry into a panic, BUT I do agree substance is lacking, BUT music is subjective and what I think is rediculous (ahem Soulja Boy) others eat it up(hundreds at the club the other night). NOW that snap ****, is a fad. Ringtones and such, I dont think...but you never know.
What you're missing is it's the latest thing in pop culture to have your phone ring with music. We'll look back on it like coke Jeans in the past. (Who would have thought Coke a Cola would sell clothing?)

But The same way Every computer comes with a pressing plant for CDs, Every phone will come with one for ringtones. While you were buying that 12 songs from sprint, I watched one guy in the studio copy another guys Itunes library and CD uploads to his hard drive. In a few minutes, they were sharing most of the music from the past 50 years. Every thing from Mozart to Malcolm X, to Marvin Gaye, to Malcolm McClaren to MC SHY D to Master P,. In a few minutes.
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Alright, so here's the question we should be asking: What's next?

I mean, there's nothing *wrong* with hip-hop per se. This is the cycle that many styles of music go through in the modern, record company world. Birth/innovation, popularity, and then commercialization/saturation.

Everything is a cycle.

So what's next?
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Alright, so here's the question we should be asking: What's next?

I mean, there's nothing *wrong* with hip-hop per se. This is the cycle that many styles of music go through in the modern, record company world. Birth/innovation, popularity, and then commercialization/saturation.

Everything is a cycle.

So what's next?
glam rock > grunge.............today's hip pop > ?

something along the same lines i'd guess. something with substance, but something that's still relevant and tips its hat to today's music. something real, but not overprocessed, overproduced, overhyped.

people are tired about hearing dudes sellin crack, ****in a million bitches, and killin everyone.

i'm thinking along the lines of something like that rhymefest video posted here a few days back?
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What you're missing is it's the latest thing in pop culture to have your phone ring with music. We'll look back on it like coke Jeans in the past. (Who would have thought Coke a Cola would sell clothing?)

But The same way Every computer comes with a pressing plant for CDs, Every phone will come with one for ringtones. While you were buying that 12 songs from sprint, I watched one guy in the studio copy another guys Itunes library and CD uploads to his hard drive. In a few minutes, they were sharing most of the music from the past 50 years. Every thing from Mozart to Malcolm X, to Marvin Gaye, to Malcolm McClaren to MC SHY D to Master P,. In a few minutes.

Ok, but comparing music to coke jeans? Ringtones arent just hip hop, all sorts of genres are available. I think as long as people have cell phones there will be ringtones, especially with the younger crowds, music is big part of growing up and with the availability of cell phones for good prices, family plans etc, more and more kids will grow up on cell phone music. Much like I had to buy CD's. I just think that its the new thing. To address what you said about dude copying his hard drive, they'll come up with a licensing tool to curb that, someobody will find away around it, and it keeps going, but its getting harder and harder for people to copy things now. There has been illegal DL and bootleggin for a LONG time and it seems to have only put a minor dent in the billion dollar industry. I'm sure hip hop will survive sucky or not. I'm not worried about its demise, I just there was some better **** to listen to.

Its like your saying Sean John is just a fad when its really just the polka dotted polos thats the fad. the MUISIC that makes up the ringtone might be a fad but I dont think ringtones themsleves will be. Only time will tell.
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Ok, but comparing music to coke jeans? Ringtones arent just hip hop, all sorts of genres are available. I think as long as people have cell phones there will be ringtones, especially with the younger crowds, music is big part of growing up and with the availability of cell phones for good prices, family plans etc, more and more kids will grow up on cell phone music. Much like I had to buy CD's. I just think that its the new thing. To address what you said about dude copying his hard drive, they'll come up with a licensing tool to curb that, someobody will find away around it, and it keeps going, but its getting harder and harder for people to copy things now. There has been illegal DL and bootleggin for a LONG time and it seems to have only put a minor dent in the billion dollar industry. I'm sure hip hop will survive sucky or not. I'm not worried about its demise, I just there was some better **** to listen to.

Its like your saying Sean John is just a fad when its really just the polka dotted polos thats the fad. the MUISIC that makes up the ringtone might be a fad but I dont think ringtones themsleves will be. Only time will tell.
Nope and Cds arent either but once people could get Cds for free they stopped buying. Same will happen to ring tones. Yeah they will have ringtones, but if they dont' BUY them it won't matter that they have them. You think it's harder to copy things now? I saw this YESTERDAY. You think downloading and bootleggin put a MINOR dent in the industry? (Keep in mind for the first time ever a perfect copy can be had in much less than real time. And if you are dragging files from one drive to another, Tens of thousands of dollars of music can be copied in less than a half hour
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Nope and Cds arent either but once people could get Cds for free they stopped buying. Same will happen to ring tones. Yeah they will have ringtones, but if they dont' BUY them it won't matter that they have them. You think it's harder to copy things now? I saw this YESTERDAY. You think downloading and bootleggin put a MINOR dent in the industry? (Keep in mind for the first time ever a perfect copy can be had in much less than real time. And if you are dragging files from one drive to another, Tens of thousands of dollars of music can be copied in less than a half hour

I'm sure you saw it yesterday. I'm speaking in the near future, piracy has long affected software, music and movies, software being the most protective have invoked methods to code cd's so it makes it IMPOSSIBLE to copy software anymore, how long do you think till they find out ways to incorporate that into iTunes? I needed to download a license on my computer just to listen to the music from sprint I ALREADY purchased and could listen to on my phone. They know once I put it on my computer I can do exactly what you just said. I'm sure at some point it will be impossible to do what you witnessed. I'm not saying bootleggin or swapping song with the homies won't affect the music industry but were just talking hip hop but you said they had a wide variety of music they traded, so all music genres are being ripped off, but yet were only talkin hip hop. I just don't see it killin the music industry and I don't think ringtones will be hip hop or the music industrys savior but it has be generating a ton of money, 5 yrs ago no ringtones, how many just today? Do the math its gotta add up, just think about that, how much MORE money is made today just off ringtones versus nadda 5 yrs ago, then calculate what kind of overhead and expense goes into a ringtone? probably nothing but profits divied up. i'm sure its makin up for CD sales.

I mean theres even older folk downloading The Beatles to their phones. Its gotta be a big lift.

Also if people could get ANYTHING for free they'd stop buying.
Old 22nd August 2007
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Why will you need to "buy" a ringtone when most phones now & all phones in the very near future will play mp3's. You can just drag what you want from your PC library and set what you want as a ringtone. For example, I have the Blackberry 8830 w/ a 4gb memory card. Got a few good videos, favorite songs and some of our best stuff from the studio... The ringtone industry will be dead very, very soon. Its overpriced anyway---all these subscription rates---WTF???
Old 22nd August 2007
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Here are good questions we can all ask ourselves.....
Once the war between HD-DVD and Bluray is over, and the new higher format is set in, and the compact disc is finally bumped aside in favour of DVD-Audio, What effect will that have on album sales?

Will the new format encourage more ppl to go out and buy the albums?
Do ppl even care anymore about hearing a song in its highest fidelity to even allow DVD-Audio to really make a significant difference?
Will the industry readily know how to take advantage of the new amount of storage space that will be available to them? Maybe by adding in extra bonuses, a lot like how DVD movies have bonus content.

Im not surprised at how insufficiently trained some young engineering ears are these days, when almost everyone now a days is taking in all their music off of 128k-bit MP3 files...
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