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Old 10th February 2018
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By pointing out James Baldwin is black?

Is that what you're hung up on? Do you even know who James Baldwin was?

To mention he's black is germane, in that there was and still is a stigmatization about homosexuality in the black culture. That Quincy Jones mentioned three black dudes he linked to Brando (other than mailboxes), and even Baldwin would refer to himself as a gay black man.

That Baldwin came out very early on, at a time when it was risky and unthinkable for any race, and that he not only wrote and spoke of it, as well as issues of color...what's got your panties in a wad?

DUDE! basing merit solely on skin color and/or sexual preference is ****ing ignorant and sad. I could not care less than I already do whether or not your heros are black AND gay or purple and asexual. it simply does not matter. I am so sick and tired of hearing americans talk about skin color. be it black, white, red, brown, ****ing green or whatever floats your boat today.. IT DOES NOT ****ING MATTER. throughout history we've all suffered hardships. whos to say one back story is worse than another. so what if im half native and half scottish, my great grandfather was forcefully imported into servitude and my great grandmother interred in the reservation camps.. well boo****inghoo.. poor me. ****ing get over it, get a life and get on with it already. regardless of where you come from, your situation, your skin color or whatever... we're all human and in this world of today we all have a simple choice, youre either good or youre bad. your choice. it has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. period. needless to say, those constantly using this tired skin color sexual preference gender agenda as a tool are doing so out of pure ignorance and/or for some sort of personal benefit.. usually fame, power and/or a financial one. and to bring it up here, and constantly bring it up as you do, for any reason whatsoever, is just plain dumb stereotypical perpetuation. youre part of the problem. is that clear enough for you? .... im guessing not
Old 10th February 2018
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DUDE! basing merit solely on skin color and/or sexual preference is ****ing ignorant and sad. I could not care less than I already do whether or not your heros are black AND gay or purple and asexual. it simply does not matter. I am so sick and tired of hearing americans talk about skin color. be it black, white, red, brown, ****ing green or whatever floats your boat today.. IT DOES NOT ****ING MATTER. throughout history we've all suffered hardships. whos to say one back story is worse than another. so what if im half native and half scottish, my great grandfather was forcefully imported into servitude and my great grandmother interred in the reservation camps.. well boo****inghoo.. poor me. ****ing get over it, get a life and get on with it already. regardless of where you come from, your situation, your skin color or whatever... we're all human and in this world of today we all have a simple choice, youre either good or youre bad. your choice. it has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. period. needless to say, those constantly using this tired skin color agenda as a tool are doing so out of pure ignorance and/or for some sort of personal benefit.. usually fame, power and/or a financial one. and to bring it up here, and constantly bring it up as you do, for any reason whatsoever, is just plain dumb stereotypical perpetuation. youre part of the problem. is that clear enough for you? .... im guessing not
I'd say try boxers...obviously the briefs aren't working out.
Old 10th February 2018
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I'd say try boxers...obviously the briefs aren't working out.
hardy har har har.. you made a funny! get a life.
Old 10th February 2018
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Hmmmm....This tgriff person. I notice, when he first trolled me, that when he wrote the word 'Zero' he cleverly substituted the letter 'o' for the digit '0....' thus 'Zer0'.

I'm guessing he's 12 years old?

The grown ups are having a discussion here, stop interrupting, and go outside and play
Old 11th February 2018
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My parents were in the theater. When I was about 5 my father was in a show with Robert Guillaume. He became great friends with my folks and often stayed with us as money was tight for him in those days. I never even thought about black or white. I remember him as being a hoot so he was sort of like an older brother at the time. Years later I discovered that according to many, there were white and black people. I never understood that although I do now. It is a shame that we are still so backwards as a species that something like the color of one's skin matters at all. I prefer to see that there are good people and not so good people and I make my judgments accordingly. And it goes for gays too - growing up as a back stage brat there were plenty of gay people in my life. Of course at an early age I knew noting of sexuality but once I learned, I again never understood why it made a damn but of difference. We have come a long way as a species when it comes to technology but not so much when it comes to maturity. I hope this all one day ceases but sadly so many seem to prefer to hold on to judgment and hate rather than acceptance and tolerance and kindness and empathy.

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Old 11th February 2018
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My parents were in the theater. When I was about 5 my father was in a show with Robert Guillaume. He became great friends with my folks and often stayed with us as money was tight for him in those days. I never even thought about black or white. I remember him as being a hoot so he was sort of like an older brother at the time. Years later I discovered that according to many, there were white and black people. I never understood that although I do now. It is a shame that we are still so backwards as a species that something like the color of one's skin matters at all. I prefer to see that there are good people and not so good people and I make my judgments accordingly. And it goes for gays too - growing up as a back stage brat there were plenty of gay people in my life. Of course at an early age I knew noting of sexuality but once I learned, I again never understood why it made a damn but of difference. We have come a long way as a species when it comes to technology but not so much when it comes to maturity. I hope this all one day ceases but sadly so many seem to prefer to hold on to judgment and hate rather than acceptance and tolerance and kindness and empathy.
Some quotes from James Baldwin:

"Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up."

"To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time."

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."

“Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.”

“I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.”

“Love takes off the masks we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within.”

“I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”

“It is very nearly impossible to become an educated person in a country so distrustful of the independent mind.”
Old 11th February 2018
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My parents were in the theater. When I was about 5 my father was in a show with Robert Guillaume. He became great friends with my folks and often stayed with us as money was tight for him in those days. I never even thought about black or white. I remember him as being a hoot so he was sort of like an older brother at the time. Years later I discovered that according to many, there were white and black people. I never understood that although I do now. It is a shame that we are still so backwards as a species that something like the color of one's skin matters at all. I prefer to see that there are good people and not so good people and I make my judgments accordingly. And it goes for gays too - growing up as a back stage brat there were plenty of gay people in my life. Of course at an early age I knew noting of sexuality but once I learned, I again never understood why it made a damn but of difference. We have come a long way as a species when it comes to technology but not so much when it comes to maturity. I hope this all one day ceases but sadly so many seem to prefer to hold on to judgment and hate rather than acceptance and tolerance and kindness and empathy.
I remember in my late teens reading 'I know why the caged bird sings'.

I was shocked, saddened, inspired and uplifted in equal measures....Maya Angelou taught me a lot.

We humans are bizarre creatures, it seems to be inherent........ I sound so smug and superior referencing MA, yet I can be just as judgemental and fearful as any hick-town redneck......bizarre indeed
Old 11th February 2018
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My parents were in the theater. When I was about 5 my father was in a show with Robert Guillaume. He became great friends with my folks and often stayed with us as money was tight for him in those days. I never even thought about black or white. I remember him as being a hoot so he was sort of like an older brother at the time. Years later I discovered that according to many, there were white and black people. I never understood that although I do now. It is a shame that we are still so backwards as a species that something like the color of one's skin matters at all. I prefer to see that there are good people and not so good people and I make my judgments accordingly. And it goes for gays too - growing up as a back stage brat there were plenty of gay people in my life. Of course at an early age I knew noting of sexuality but once I learned, I again never understood why it made a damn but of difference. We have come a long way as a species when it comes to technology but not so much when it comes to maturity. I hope this all one day ceases but sadly so many seem to prefer to hold on to judgment and hate rather than acceptance and tolerance and kindness and empathy.

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Some quotes from James Baldwin:

"Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up."

"To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time."

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."

“Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.”

“I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.”

“Love takes off the masks we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within.”

“I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”

“It is very nearly impossible to become an educated person in a country so distrustful of the independent mind.”
I'm greatly sympathetic with PdotDdot's 'postracialist' mindset. Though I didn't grow up in the relatively protected and accepting milieu of theatre, my folks tried to uphold the post-WWII American values of racial and cultural equality.

But growing up in an almost exclusively white, conformist milieu with those ideals informing my observations -- and, especially, deeply affected by both the then-contemporaneous and still-ongoing struggles of people of color for real equality -- as well as still-unfolding and ever-shocking revelations and photographic histories of the persecution of Jews, Gypsies, and others during the Holocaust, I could see all too painfully well how far our ideals fell from actual realities of human behavior.

I've alternately cheered and wept (not always figuratively) over the human races's struggles to overcome its own inherent tendency to prejudice and invented distinction over the decades. We move forward, often, but it's a fitful and deeply fraught progress.

From that troubled perspective, I can both applaud the postracial impulse -- and also be real with myself in realizing that it is not only a mindset that is all too far from universal -- but one that is far easier to pursue for those of us born into the implicit privileges of being associated with the dominant culture. Baldwin's words help us remember that the human struggle for an equitable and fair-minded society will continue as long as humans fall prey to the human tendency to prejudgement and unenlightened self-interest.
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One thing I will say - while brought up in a non prejudicial household I also realize I will NEVER be able to understand what it is like to grow up as a person of a culture considered to be one of minority - nor can I EVER understand the impact that a prejudicial society has had on their psyches. As much as I dislike the horrible traits of humans and as much as I object to them and as much as I try to stand up for what I believe is right, I still have to admit that I can never fully know its impact. For those that have had to suffer these types of injustices all I can do is offer my empathy and continue to strive for change and do what I can to help that change come to fruition.
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One thing I will say - while brought up in a non prejudicial household I also realize I will NEVER be able to understand what it is like to grow up as a person of a culture considered to be one of minority - nor can I EVER understand the impact that a prejudicial society has had on their psyches. As much as I dislike the horrible traits of humans and as much as I object to them and as much as I try to stand up for what I believe is right, I still have to admit that I can never fully know its impact. For those that have had to suffer these types of injustices all I can do is offer my empathy and continue to strive for change and do what I can to help that change come to fruition.
I think you show far more awareness, empathy, sympathy, understanding, reason and in general, humanity, than many in the demographic you cite.

If everyone were like you, like minded as such, I don't think there would be as many problems, definetly much less so in that regard, or in the bigger, more important picture, a betterment of the perpetual intransigence of intractability in people just getting along.

You sir are one of the good ones, don't let anyone tell you otherwise...
Old 12th February 2018
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I think you show far more awareness, empathy, sympathy, understanding, reason and in general, humanity, than many in the demographic you cite.

If everyone were like you, like minded as such, I don't think there would be as many problems, definetly much less so in that regard, or in the bigger, more important picture, a betterment of the perpetual intransigence of intractability in people just getting along.

You sir are one of the good ones, don't let anyone tell you otherwise...
Thanks - I was lucky - I had parents that were cool and they brought me and my siblings up with the right morals. It pains me to see the idiocy of so many and all the hate and anger and meanness that goes on throughout society. I keep hoping things will change and I'll never give up on that. Thanks for the thumbs up! I figure if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem and I wish to be part of the solution. :-)
Old 14th February 2018
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Hmmmm....This tgriff person. I notice, when he first trolled me, that when he wrote the word 'Zero' he cleverly substituted the letter 'o' for the digit '0....' thus 'Zer0'.

I'm guessing he's 12 years old?

The grown ups are having a discussion here, stop interrupting, and go outside and play
you so clever!!!

well smart ass.. i'll have you know that I put a "0" in place of the "o" simply because I didnt feel like looking at the idiotic auto word linking function on this forum. you should try it sometime. its fun.

so that we're clear now, in addition to the ignorant color, word and political views, youre an ageist too?! nk. got it.

even a 12 yr old knows better than to put any stock in these entirely ignorant "grown up" views being expressed by you and others in this thread. seriously, get a life.
Old 14th February 2018
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you so clever!!!

well smart ass.. i'll have you know that I put a "0" in place of the "o" simply because I didnt feel like looking at the idiotic auto word linking function on this forum. you should try it sometime. its fun.

so that we're clear now, in addition to the ignorant color, word and political views, youre an ageist too?! nk. got it.

even a 12 yr old knows better than to put any stock in these entirely ignorant "grown up" views being expressed by you and others in this thread. seriously, get a life.
.....Yeah, believing that having 'half Scottish ancestry' has the same implications as being black shows great empathy and maturity.....Idiot
Old 15th February 2018
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.....Yeah, believing that having 'half Scottish ancestry' has the same implications as being black shows great empathy and maturity.....Idiot
now is that any way to speak to a 12 year old?! talk about "great empathy and maturity.....Idiot"

and as I said, yes indeed my ancestry "has the same implications as" any other... the exception perhaps being yours. do you even know your background? not surprisingly most americans dont (oh wait, let me guess.. you ARENT even american are you?!!!). anyway. clearly youre uneducated and just dont get it. WE ARE ALL THE SAME. the simple fact that you truly believe dark skinned people, for skin tone and skin tone alone, deserve special treatment is, well, racist by definition, not to mention just plain dumb. a persons individual actions determines how they should be treated in society. youre either good or youre bad. no ifs ands or buts about it. simple as that. you really need to grow the **** up and get a life man. or go on... keep on keeping on with the being yet another brainwashed delusional non-american sheep.
Old 15th February 2018
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Okay, let me ask you a left-field question. In your memoir, there’s a section where you talk about —
Being a dog?

That’s not what I was thinking of, but yeah, that’s in there.


Inquiring minds...want to know about that one.

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