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Old 13th January 2018
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Why is life all about money?

You can go all day saying it isn`t, but it`s what keeps a warm roof over your head and food in your stomach. Yes, there are different degrees of it, just look at all the rather frivolous spending on this site of hopeful dreams. I admit I`m one of the "me me me" ones when it comes to buying that overpriced piece of gear for minimal improvement. I think capitalism is good, but this site promotes taking it to the extreme, the MOST you can afford. You don`t have the best, you can`t make it. High End is out of your reach.Sometimes I don`t get it. Us musicians tend to have socialistic views, except when it comes to that Trident console you`ve been wanting.
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Old 13th January 2018
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The only people who say its not about money are people who have money.
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Old 13th January 2018
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Life is not about money.
The only people who say that life is about money are those who have all the money.
They have no clue about life and suffer from a severe disorder.
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Old 13th January 2018
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Life is not about money.
The only people who say that life is about money are those who have all the money.
They have no clue about life and suffer from a severe disorder.
Sure, in a perfect world but if you can't pay your rent and you have 1/2 a loaf of bread and some peanut butter for food for the rest of the month, or worse yet, you also have kids, life becomes about money in a hurry.
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Old 14th January 2018
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True.
But for the person who has an income that is sufficient to cover the basics money should be of little concern.
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Old 14th January 2018
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Friday is going to be awesome!!

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Old 14th January 2018
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If we went back to beads and blankets I'd most likely be short of beads and blankets. I wonder how many blankets I'd have to throw down to afford a pre amp?
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If we went back to beads and blankets I'd most likely be short of beads and blankets. I wonder how many blankets I'd have to throw down to afford a pre amp?
I hear you. Didn't know how many lyricist to get a six pack of beer.
Old 14th January 2018
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You can go all day saying it isn`t, but it`s what keeps a warm roof over your head and food in your stomach. Yes, there are different degrees of it, just look at all the rather frivolous spending on this site of hopeful dreams. I admit I`m one of the "me me me" ones when it comes to buying that overpriced piece of gear for minimal improvement. I think capitalism is good, but this site promotes taking it to the extreme, the MOST you can afford. You don`t have the best, you can`t make it. High End is out of your reach.Sometimes I don`t get it. Us musicians tend to have socialistic views, except when it comes to that Trident console you`ve been wanting.
Bro #1 the gear thing is a HOBBY, yes a lot of us are professionals, but we're also geeks for certain aspects of what we do

Nobody is saying you jack s**t to "make it"

I was talking to a kid on here a few months back who had just bought an ID22 interface midi controller and some soft synths. He said he wanted to get into some hardware synths....just...BECAUSE....It felt more legit...

I told him "You have EVERYTHING you need right now to make a hit, EVERYTHING, why not leave the new hardware alone for a year, write some songs, play some shows, go on tour, release a record, bang some groupies....BE A ROCKSTAR, bring your friends, show them how to do something and put them onstage with you, call it a band, be a DJ whatever, but why not go do THAT first, then you can piss off your GF with 24 hour CL watches and have your dorm room look like an 80's music store exploded?"

I'm not altogether convinced this post isn't a troll, in fact, I'm sure it is. But the point still needs to be made:

You get into gear because you enjoy it, not because you NEED it

Like I told the kid, a couple hundred bucks (if that) and a great idea (and a set) is all it takes to have a "Hit"

The people here discussing G.A.P vs. Nieve, Warm vs. API and the difference between tape machine transients and tape emulation transients are doing it because they ENJOY it. (probably why we ended up pros, it's not work for us)

If you don't find this fun, you need to go somewhere that IS life is too short
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S***hole.

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Old 14th January 2018
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True.
But for the person who has an income that is sufficient to cover the basics money should be of little concern.
So why get on here and argue about a $1500 converter vs. a $10,000 converter? Is that not the epitome of greed and capitalism?So say I have a $1500 converter(well, it`s uh, actually more than that) am I less of a musician/producer/engineer than the guy on the High End that has a $10,000 Lavry? This is pure capitalism in it`s grossest form, and were supposed to preach how life should be fair.I expect some nasty replies, but maybe we should look at ourselves before wagging a finger at a guy in a beautiful house driving a monster SUV.
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I use a 29,- Euros converter.
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Old 14th January 2018
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Very interesting thread. Personally, I would never throw down 10,000 for any single piece of gear. Which is probably why I've become kind of a Warm Audio Junky. Lol. I'm definitely not made of money, but my bills get paid. When it comes to gear, I used to think higher cost met better gear. Years ago I lusted for a Taylor 714CE. Finally bought a used one. Had it for about 5 years, and absolutely hated it. Hated the way it played, hated the expression system with the AA batteries, and hated the way it sounded plugged in. After 5 years I decided to buy a Breedlove. At that time, it wasn't a company that you heard much about, however, the day I bought my Taylor, I also bought my daughter a 1,000 Breedlove. Her breedlove smoked my really expensive Taylor. I spent 2,000 on my Breedlove, and have never lusted for another guitar. I love it. I guess my point is this. I frequent this forum almost daily. Hardly a day goes by that I don't see a comment about what some perceive as low end gear. For me personally, I want and use what works for me. I no longer allow myself to be steered in the direction of $$$$$$ = better recordings, because I don't believe that it does. I think that higher priced gear with a certain name retains it's value better than lower priced gear, but in the end, you'll loose money reselling almost anything. My mentality is this. First and foremost, it boils down to whether or not a song is great. The gear that it's recorded on is secondary. And finally, in the end, it's just an MP3 in most cases. Done rambling lol
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Why is life all about money?

[...] it's what keeps a warm roof over your head and food in your stomach.
First, if you really believe that life really is all about money, then you answered your own question in the first sentence.

Second, go back to all the times in your life when you were happiest, gratified, felt you belonged and contributed to something bigger than your own self, changed your or someone else's life in some way, and examine how money was involved.

Money is an agreed-upon medium of exchange, nothing more. Perhaps you should rephrase it and focus on the question you might be missing -- why is life all about wealth? And as long as we're discussing the existential, aren't we forgetting about power?

I feel badly for those who truly believe life is all about money; they'll never actually have it, and what they do have will never be enough -- on any scale. These are people ultimately driven by greed and jealousy, who compare every aspect of their lives to others.

Life isn't about money, it's about wealth. More specifically, it's about what you do with it, and what you to to acquire it.
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Old 15th January 2018
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First, if you really believe that life really is all about money, then you answered your own question in the first sentence.

Second, go back to all the times in your life when you were happiest, gratified, felt you belonged and contributed to something bigger than your own self, changed your or someone else's life in some way, and examine how money was involved.

Money is an agreed-upon medium of exchange, nothing more. Perhaps you should rephrase it and focus on the question you might be missing -- why is life all about wealth? And as long as we're discussing the existential, aren't we forgetting about power?

I feel badly for those who truly believe life is all about money; they'll never actually have it, and what they do have will never be enough -- on any scale. These are people ultimately driven by greed and jealousy, who compare every aspect of their lives to others.

Life isn't about money, it's about wealth. More specifically, it's about what you do with it, and what you to to acquire it.
So what is that? What paid for your device to post that response on? I see you feel all high and above everyone else, but you used money just by making that post. Even basic things like milk and bread, that money comes from somewhere. Your tens of thousands of dollars recording studio, feel like donating it away? Didn`t think so. Your raised post is foolish and serves no purpose other than to lead others to believe you do these things yourself. Rubbish.
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Very interesting thread. Personally, I would never throw down 10,000 for any single piece of gear. Which is probably why I've become kind of a Warm Audio Junky. Lol. I'm definitely not made of money, but my bills get paid. When it comes to gear, I used to think higher cost met better gear. Years ago I lusted for a Taylor 714CE. Finally bought a used one. Had it for about 5 years, and absolutely hated it. Hated the way it played, hated the expression system with the AA batteries, and hated the way it sounded plugged in. After 5 years I decided to buy a Breedlove. At that time, it wasn't a company that you heard much about, however, the day I bought my Taylor, I also bought my daughter a 1,000 Breedlove. Her breedlove smoked my really expensive Taylor. I spent 2,000 on my Breedlove, and have never lusted for another guitar. I love it. I guess my point is this. I frequent this forum almost daily. Hardly a day goes by that I don't see a comment about what some perceive as low end gear. For me personally, I want and use what works for me. I no longer allow myself to be steered in the direction of $$$$$$ = better recordings, because I don't believe that it does. I think that higher priced gear with a certain name retains it's value better than lower priced gear, but in the end, you'll loose money reselling almost anything. My mentality is this. First and foremost, it boils down to whether or not a song is great. The gear that it's recorded on is secondary. And finally, in the end, it's just an MP3 in most cases. Done rambling lol
You are smart and honest, that`s all.
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Money is not the root of all evil. It is the love of money.. the pursuit of money.. that inspires all kinds of evil. 'Greed' is somehow dependent on our own definition of it.. and yet it's rare when we see it in ourselves, and choose to put an end to it.

This world is obsessed with convenience. The more money you possess, the more convenience you can afford.

The guy with a 'wallet budget' of $12 is going to go to walmart.. find the 'wallet section', and purchase one of the first wallets that catches his eye for hopefully half of what he intended to spend.. and use the remainder to.. idk.. destroy some chic fil'a or McDaddys or something..

The guy with a blank check for his 'wallet budget' can.. order same day express shipping for a fine quality leather wallet/dual phone charger/wi-fi hotspot that contacts his phone when left behind and takes photos when opened in 'lost mode', sending pictures of potential theives directly to his device. (Not to mention, he can sit his ass at home and exert no additional energy receiving said product)

You can spend $3 for a toothbrush that will eventually contribute to tendonitis.

You can spend $210 on a custom fitted clamp that brushes all of your teeth at once (And have to pay to have the bristles replaced once a year)

Convenience.

People seem to forget.. that for something to be difficult.. is good for us. Not everything should be convenient, and life isn't all about money. Some of the hardest things in life.. Some of the most difficult things in life.. usually lead us to the most rewarding gifts life has to offer.

Life isn't just about money, homie

*tries really.. really hard to not go on about analogue/digital*
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Old 15th January 2018
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So what is that? What paid for your device to post that response on? I see you feel all high and above everyone else, but you used money just by making that post. Even basic things like milk and bread, that money comes from somewhere. Your tens of thousands of dollars recording studio, feel like donating it away? Didn`t think so. Your raised post is foolish and serves no purpose other than to lead others to believe you do these things yourself. Rubbish.
A few things of which you might not be aware, and from the tenor of your reply I'm not sure you would care; however in the interests of full disclosure... Yes, the equipment in my studio is probably valued at well over $300,000. Now, ask me how much I actually paid for it. I recently purchased my first brand new keyboard (the PA4X), every other piece is the result of some 30 years of scrounging, saving, working, and repairing. Oh, and more than a few pieces are the result of barter and labor.

I don't feel "high and mighty above everyone else," really I don't. I was trying to share with you a lesson I learned very early, which is that money and wealth are two very different things. People who believe money is The Answer are bitter, empty people who complain and blame everyone and everything for their lot in life, and will never once look in the one place where the answer lies: the mirror.
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Old 16th January 2018
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What I find frustrating about it is that life wouldn't have to be all about money.

We could restructure society any way we wanted to. We'd simply have to decide to make a change. We could change it today. But we don't do that.
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Unfortunately, you are correct. Daily survival depends on money.

But life, to me, is about relationships and experiences. Money is a necessary evil. I try as much as possible to not focus on material things but its hard. Who doesn't want this new that or that or that.

At end of the day, once you're dead none of that stuff is going with you. Focus on positive relationships and exciting experiences. That's the real stuff.
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You can go all day saying it isn`t, but it`s what keeps a warm roof over your head and food in your stomach. Yes, there are different degrees of it, just look at all the rather frivolous spending on this site of hopeful dreams. I admit I`m one of the "me me me" ones when it comes to buying that overpriced piece of gear for minimal improvement. I think capitalism is good, but this site promotes taking it to the extreme, the MOST you can afford. You don`t have the best, you can`t make it. High End is out of your reach.Sometimes I don`t get it. Us musicians tend to have socialistic views, except when it comes to that Trident console you`ve been wanting.
For some its got nothing to do with material things but more to do with being part of an elite.
Money makes social mobility easier.
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I feel money is what we all need to pursue whatever we want for and without it, nothing gets paid (like bills) or bought (material items we need such as a house, car, etc.) as no one gives us anything we want in our lives and I never believed and don't believe that money is the root of all evil, greed is the root of all evil and I hate when people use that phrase.
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There is an absolute gulf between the fact that if you have nothing to eat you will need money in a hurry and the stipulation that 'life is all about money'.

There is also a massive gulf between someone buying a tool do create art with that happens to be a business as well, or even not, and someone buying a BMW to impress their neighbours.

Life can be about whatever you like. If you buy the story about the carrots we are all supposed to chase to be worthy it indeed becomes about money very quickly. It can also be about beauty. And all sorts of other things.
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I feel money is what we all need to pursue whatever we want for and without it, nothing gets paid (like bills) or bought (material items we need such as a house, car, etc.) as no one gives us anything we want in our lives and I never believed and don't believe that money is the root of all evil, greed is the root of all evil and I hate when people use that phrase.
'Money' isn't the root, no. But you get closer to the root real quick if you look where it comes from, i.e. who is allowed to create it out of thin air and make the rest of us their de facto slaves with frauds like mortgages, etc. .
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Old 17th January 2018
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When you are hungry, you need food, not money.
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When you are hungry, you need food, not money.
But you need money to buy food.
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Old 17th January 2018
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Not necessarily so.
There are even situations where money can't buy you food.

Imagine people struck by a disaster. They need all kinds of things,
food, water, shelter, clothing...
They don't need money - they still have their money with them. They need everything but money.


(she is buring money after hyperinflation)
Money is just a means to an end.
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Old 17th January 2018
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Imagine, instead of any food supplies, sending a ton of money up to the ISS with the next Soyuz.
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Old 18th January 2018
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You can go all day saying it isn`t, but it`s what keeps a warm roof over your head and food in your stomach. Yes, there are different degrees of it, just look at all the rather frivolous spending on this site of hopeful dreams. I admit I`m one of the "me me me" ones when it comes to buying that overpriced piece of gear for minimal improvement. I think capitalism is good, but this site promotes taking it to the extreme, the MOST you can afford. You don`t have the best, you can`t make it. High End is out of your reach.Sometimes I don`t get it. Us musicians tend to have socialistic views, except when it comes to that Trident console you`ve been wanting.

Money is an outdated idea OP (and a foolish one if you ask me) that should be done away with. I view it as one of those things like racism. A few hundred years ago people use to think it was OK, yet today we realize how stupid and ignorant of a system it was. Hopefully one day we realize how ignorant and stupid it is to separate people by how many pieces of paper they have, or how many "numbers' they have on a computer account. We have more than enough resources on this planet to make sure everyone has a home, transportation and good health (and all the gear you dream of owning).

Think about this, does the earth charge people for wood and the materials it takes to make that $8,000 custom shop Fender Strat? Nope. Does the earth charge for the materials it takes to build that Neve Console? Nope. We freely take from our planet, but somehow we think it's logical to charge people for something we got for free...Doesn't make much sense does it?
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