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If only life was that simple.......I'm guessing you're not a doctor.
Happiness tends toward simplicity.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I once took a mic preamp apart from a producers studio that was a heavy smoker
Could not believe the crud inside.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Here’s a recent sales ad (not mine):

“Some marks on top”

Lots of cigarette burn marks on the top, and on the keys. It’s unfortunate that the finish is white, brown would have made it less noticeable. It’s easy to see that someone had a habit of leaving a lit cigarette on the left side of the top. The neat rows of burn marks tell the story... perhaps this lowers the item’s value? I think so.

Old 4 weeks ago
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Vaping is FAR FAR safer than smoking. It's not even remotely close (I read vape science every day).

Also, there is no oil in vape. It may FEEL oily, but it isn't.


Public Health England:

Yes, there's no oil in e-cigarette liquids per se. The VG (vegetable glycerin) used in the liquids is produced from oil, though, and has an oily texture (technically it's a sugar alcohol).

I'm no chemist/physicist but I think the PG draws humidity from the air, maybe binds a bit of dust along the way, and condensates on cold surfaces like steam, leaving the "oily" film.

Like with so many things, it's a question of moderation.
Why would I want to vape so much that I literally can't see my gear anymore because of all the steam (and then complain about it) :-)

Re: Health: it's not really funny how stubborn some people still are when it comes to vaping. there still are many who firmly believe that it's "the same as smoking, anyway" or "even worse than smoking".

I am a bit worried about all these high-powered ecigarettes, though. At 290°C the VG turns into acrylaldehyd, and that's definitely not healthy anymore. For a short while I did the build-your-own-coil thing ([email protected]) but after seeing the inside of the atomizer, I stopped doing that (it reminded me of an ash tray, i.e. burnt). I rather play it safe and stick to 10W, it produces enough steam for my taste.


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that's sounding really convincing. glycerine and hygroscopic propylene glycol.
not far off what you put in your car radiator then

i mean ... would you trust any corporate bull these days? they won't be
around to pick up the tab when you get a different type of lung disease.
consumer laws aren't worth anything.

cigarettes themselves are no-go though. smoke themselves.
makes no sense at all.
at least rolling tobacco goes out by itself if you put it down.
PG is used in tooth paste, for example, and VG is used in cosmetics and food products.

I'm glad that e-cigarettes exist as an exit strategy for smokers because a few years ago I started to feel the long term effects of cigarette smoking like shortness of breath, for example. COPD ain't no joke.

It's hard to say what the long term effects of vaping really are but on the other hand vaping is not exactly new and most studies indicate that is indeed far less unhealthy than smoking.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Vaping is FAR FAR safer than smoking. It's not even remotely close (I read vape science every day).

Also, there is no oil in vape. It may FEEL oily, but it isn't.
feels oily but isn't?

well, it's still a terrible addiction.
better off without. that's the tough one.
Old 4 weeks ago
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feels oily but isn't?

well, it's still a terrible addiction.
better off without. that's the tough one.
Sure.

But for those with the addiction, harm reduction vastly outweighs only pushing complete cessation.

Also, to add to the thread: it took my ProMars 2 years of degassing to begin to not smell like a dirty casino from the 70s.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Now I'm curious, what "other drugs" and how ?

BTW nicotine is odourless- the smell of burnt tobacco has very little to do with the nicotine content.
Cocaine, meth, whiskey...etc...maybe one washes the other away...but can be hell on electronics. YMMV

I would rate something that has been in a house fire as poorly as if it were owned by a smoker, not sure where you were going with your comment about nicotine? Either way I think its quite fair that these conditions be disclosed when placed for sale, if nothing else. Let the buyer decide if this is acceptable at the price.

Last time I went car shopping, I turned down a couple smoker-owned cars (and they were otherwise "clean" at a dealer, so while perhaps it would be possible to really eliminate the smell, obviously if the dealer's detail crew can't get it out then it will probably be more effort than I want to put into it...its not like cars are particularly rare, I'll just find another one). I've turned down several smoker houses too.

I helped someone move and got a truckload of video and sound equipment in return...its been 6 months in my basement and still reeks of cigarettes.
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Vaping is FAR FAR safer than smoking. It's not even remotely close (I read vape science every day).

Also, there is no oil in vape. It may FEEL oily, but it isn't.


Public Health England:

If you vape and read "vape science" every day, would it be fair to suggest that "vape science" is leaning in vape-favor? Doesn't really sound like an objective source. Ultimately they just want to sell something (or sell ads for something), they don't care about any potential health consequences.

Like Gearslutz, they just want to sell ads for gear, never mind if people get hopelessly addicted or purchase beyond their means...
Old 4 weeks ago
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If you vape and read "vape science" every day, would it be fair to suggest that "vape science" is leaning in vape-favor? Doesn't really sound like an objective source.

The overwhelming majority of vape science is finding that vaping is far safer than smoking.

That video is from Public Health England. Nearly all of their research is backed by Cancer Research UK and nearly every public health body or medical body in the UK, including the Royal College of Physicians (who produced the first landmark study into the negative health effects of smoking in the 1960s).

What exactly is Cancer Research UK, Public Health England or the Royal College of Physicians trying to sell?
Old 4 weeks ago
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I've turned down several smoker houses too.
I bought a disgustingly bad smoker's house, saved a BUNDLE ! Smell went away with the old carpets and some TSP on the walls and ceilings (along with a paint job throughout, whivh it needed anyway ). No question the former owner's smoking cost him more than just his health.
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be a pal and don't roll your Range Rover, old boy. Never mind, we can just
order another one, what? Just try not to run over any of those mexican
immigrants, they're so bloody small, you might not see them over the end
of your bonnet, eh what?

that's a good one, about mexicans and central americans being malnourished
and stunted. really raising the intellectual standards in the music scene. why
don't you sing a song about it
I think you may have quoted the wrong post, because none of that has anything to do with what I wrote.
Old 4 weeks ago
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The overwhelming majority of vape science is finding that vaping is far safer than smoking.

That video is from Public Health England. Nearly all of their research is backed by Cancer Research UK and nearly every public health body or medical body in the UK, including the Royal College of Physicians (who produced the first landmark study into the negative health effects of smoking in the 1960s).

What exactly is Cancer Research UK, Public Health England or the Royal College of Physicians trying to sell?
Besides chemo, they squash actual cures. I'm not knocking vaping. Only the part about researchers and physicians "keeping the dream alive". Start with Royal Raymond Rife if you like, but there are more with plenty to say outside of the "medical industry" that know or should I say knew better.

As far as negative health effects. Bicycle around a city for years and pretend that it is good for you.
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I think you may have quoted the wrong post, because none of that has anything to do with what I wrote.
probably not. somebody used the expression "be a pal", so i was reacting
to that, and it was late, and i can't find the original post now.
don't worry about it

oh yeah, and astonishment that a long-legged northern american caucasian could
think that latinos are traditionally ( perceived of as ) more diminuitive because of
malnutrition (you'll have to dig up those posts, i don't know where they are)
Old 4 weeks ago
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The overwhelming majority of vape science is finding that vaping is far safer than smoking.
Or just grow some balls and quit if you want to be safer.
Stop listening to that fake feeling (it is not your own real thought) of "i want to smoke another cigarette" and be free.

Good luck !
Old 4 weeks ago
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Quitting smoking needs a bit more than "growing balls". It's needs:

1- Enough intelligence and foresight to understand that there are things worse than death , such as chronic disease. Just becasue you feel OK now doesn;t mean you will feel OK in 10 or 20 years.

2- Enough self-respect to not want to make yourself chronically ill. Enough positivity to want to live a decent healhty life.

3- Inner strength ( I guess that's the real "balls") to stop yourself from reaching for your oral pacifier every time you feel anxious.

In the case of nicotine these are often not enough and that's where vaping comes in. If you use a strong enough e-liquid, it works, and if you have enough of the above to stick with it for a while, you'll soon find yourself gettign bored of it and not needing so much nicotine in your system any more.
Also, you can mix your own e-liquid using only organic plant-derived VG, avoiding the synthetic PG.
Old 4 weeks ago
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My Dad died of COPD. I know how hard it is to give up, as evidenced by the hundreds of millions of people around the world who fail to stop smoking, even when some of them are given a terminal diagnosis (my grandfather and one of my uncle's also died of COPD through smoking).

Switching to vaping would have prolonged my Dad's life. I wish it had been around when he was still alive.

Telling people that vaping is as bad as smoking is nonsense (based on junk science) that will costs millions of lives and put other families through the misery of watching a loved one die of a smoking related disease.

Sorry, but I can't let uninformed people spout that dangerous nonsense.
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I'm not old, I'm 39!

How did those old pipe smokers get so old if tobacco kills so quickly anyway?
Because pipe tobacco is strong enough that you don't need to inhale into the lungs- just puffing it is enough for the nicotine to be absorbed through the mucus membranes in the mouth/nose. Same applies to strong e-liquids.
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Quitting smoking needs a bit more than "growing balls". It's needs:
I know all about it.
Passive smoker since day 1 on this planet.
4 adults in my house smoked.
2 of them had balls big enough to quit.
Funny enough, it was my grandma and mom.
Not like either of them had the strong will of a Shaolin monk.
They just suddenly decided to throw away the habit after decades of poisoning themselves with it and succeded.
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that's sounding really convincing. glycerine and hygroscopic propylene glycol.
not far off what you put in your car radiator then

i mean ... would you trust any corporate bull these days? they won't be
around to pick up the tab when you get a different type of lung disease.
consumer laws aren't worth anything.

cigarettes themselves are no-go though. smoke themselves.
makes no sense at all.
at least rolling tobacco goes out by itself if you put it down.
Toxicity depends on dose, remember you have Iron running in your veins. You have lots of carbon atoms also, like gasoline.

The amount and the way any substance enters your body and is processed makes all the difference.

As for the talk about authorities suppressing cancer cures, then why they allow and approve gene editing therapy that is one of the biggest and more efficient methods of curing cancer? Modified T cells that attack leukemia become first gene therapy approved in the United States | Science | AAAS

Also, why they allow a vaccine that prevents cancer? Australia could become first country to eradicate cervical cancer | Society | The Guardian

As for any drug addiction, including smoking, harm reduction is the way to go, we can make consumption of many drugs much safer (except maybe alcohol), with vaping or with good regulated drugs instead of people consuming adultered drugs. Maybe if we valued people quality of life more than their conformity to our moral standards..
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I bought a disgustingly bad smoker's house, saved a BUNDLE ! Smell went away with the old carpets and some TSP on the walls and ceilings (along with a paint job throughout, whivh it needed anyway ). No question the former owner's smoking cost him more than just his health.
I inherited a house that I ended up losing money on. Hard to lose money on something you've been given, but I managed to pull it off, and bigtime. One reason for sure was the smoke, which I couldn't get rid of without demoing the place back to the studs.
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i have looked at vaping for the first time. whole technology trip. i'm too
much of a luddite for the various possibilities to have sunken in yet. i'm trying
to let gum take the strain right now. but i only get through part of the day like
that. ends up back on the baccy. have to just stop buying it.

i'm quite into the idea of switching the manner of intake as a means of disrupting
the habit. really: using lungs as recipients for anything other than air is pretty
obscene. i'm perfectly aware of the foul poison that this s*** is.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I lived in a rental house at one point where the previous tenant had been a heavy smoker. I tried cleaning the walls with various commercial cleaners, with only a little success. I repainted all the rooms (walls, ceilings, baseboards... everything) where I planned to spend much time (landlord paid for paint, labor was mine). In some areas, the staining bled through the "Killz" -- though overall, it was a big improvement. The carpet remained nasty, despite a professional cleaning before I moved in and me cleaning with a rented shampooer. Took about 3 years (I was there 9) before the place stopped smelling like an ashtray. Maybe not a health hazard per se, but nasty.

I also once purchased a used variable DC power supply. When it arrived, it stank like cigarettes... and it was so stained that I thought the housing was a muddy green color. After cleaning the tar off an area of the housing, I discovered that the factory paint was a battleship grey. Yuck. Ended up disassembling, cleaning the PCB, and repainting the housing. Had a friend who'd periodically have me service his stereo components -- they'd become so gummed up from his smoking that display windows became "fogged", switches and controls got noisy (or just quit working), etc. Yuck.


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I inherited a house that I ended up losing money on. Hard to lose money on something you've been given, but I managed to pull it off, and bigtime. One reason for sure was the smoke, which I couldn't get rid of without demoing the place back to the studs.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I’ll take all that smoke filled gear from the Beatles sessions at Abbey Road

Pretty much *every* classic album was recorded in a *smoke filled* room

When that stuff was recorded the gear was normally reasonably recently manufactured, and hadn't had a great deal of time to build up the ravages of drug abuse.
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Yep.
They have no idea how bad it/they smell to a normal healthy person.
Or how bad their behavior is when they need a fix.
God forbid you should have to deal with someone going through the typical anger and anxiety that goes along with drug withdrawals when they are trying to kick.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I don't buy anything unless it has a yellow tinge, is covered in a layer of ash, and has at LEAST three dope burns in it.
Reminds me of a singer I once knew. The dude couldn't sing for damn, didn't put much into becoming better, but boy did he ever have the image down. He had the rock costume and knew how to flip his hair the right way and the whole nine yards. He also felt obligated to be stoned a lot, because we all know to be a "star" you gotta live the life.

Me , I'd rather be about the music and live the life a lot longer, and have gear that is actually functional. And the image that goes with being that guy.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Smoking is my insurance policy.

Look in any old folk's home, you'll see people who don't know where they are, who they are, what planet they're on, why they're being abused by the nurses......smoking will kill me before any of that happens to me.
But..... hmmmm..... errrrr........ uh............

Now you've done it, trying to think through this one will be worse than any ear worm I've ever had.
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Look in any old folk's home, you'll see people who don't know where they are, who they are, what planet they're on, why they're being abused by the nurses......smoking will kill me before any of that happens to me.
You'll also notice that about 98% of those old folks are women. So something will kill you before any of that happens to you, cigs or no cigs.
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Now I'm curious, what "other drugs" and how ?

BTW nicotine is odourless- the smell of burnt tobacco has very little to do with the nicotine content.
I knew a guy that was Rastafarian once, and wanted me to play in the band he was in. I went to try out and check it out, and no kidding, it was summer and the windows in the house were open, and smoke was pouring out of them.
I wasn't smoking pot at the time, and turned down the gig because of it.
I got stoned just being there. No doubt pot smoke isn't nearly as caustic as tobacco ( nicotine is a deadly poison and a caustic chemical) but it was still smoke and smoke of any kind leaves a film.


Not being able to smell nicotine makes it even more dangerous, that means you could be getting a dangerous dose of it and not even realize it.
I've heard that tobacco pickers are required to wear gloves and protection because they can absorb the nicotine through their hands, and that some have died because of not using protection.
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As far as negative health effects. Bicycle around a city for years and pretend that it is good for you.
Boy is this ever true. The city I live near has guys wearing leotards and reetaard helmets playing chicken with cars on city streets during the summer all over the place. They have a death wish. Getting hit by a bus is definitely bad for your health.
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When that stuff was recorded the gear was normally reasonably recently manufactured, and hadn't had a great deal of time to build up the ravages of drug abuse.
Plus stuff does get upgraded ( = replaced). And all the tape was certainly fresh, with tape heads cleaned every day (if not more often) with isopropyl alcohol.

But I've also seen there's no point arguing with a recording engineer: he's the boss. So if he says smoking makes it better = conversation over. (Say, look at this home studio setup ...)
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