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USB CV GATE for SH-101
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USB CV GATE for SH-101

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Awesome! Could this power say 3 Monotribes on a parallel CV/Gate setup?
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Awesome! Could this power say 3 Monotribes on a parallel CV/Gate setup?
i'm pretty sure it can drive one monotribe , althought you might have to have the right cable.... that can be easily done...

Connecting CV's in parallel might not be a good idea ... the CV curve is non linear , and the device is calibrated .. so it might drift/detune a bit.... it will not damage the unit thougth... you can try....

This unit was designed and tested for SH-101 , i can warranty it will work on that....but im pretty sure it will work on other devices such as Dave smith Pro One...
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This is a video of the module hooked up with ableton..

There is eventide Blackhole plugin on the SH-101 for post processing.

Its quite a lot of fun to make sequences in ableton and tweak some parameters on the synth ...

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Cool! Does this pick up legato mode on the sh101?
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Could you use a midi to usb cable into this? From another synth or drum machine or your interface?

I guess the computer also sends power to the device via the usb?
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Ordered.

If you can make one for the (original) Minimoog too, I'd be elated Otherwise, this just means I can dedicate my Kenton to just the Mini and have this for the 101.
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nice one..
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Old 6 days ago
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Thanks everyone for the feedback !!!


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Cool! Does this pick up legato mode on the sh101?
i know what you mean , actually the legato is a function of the internal sequencer which makes a slope between the voltages... nope... it has not...althought is quite "groovy" already , im pretty sure you can emulate it by making tricky patterns... or activating the portamento on the synth.



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Could you use a midi to usb cable into this? From another synth or drum machine or your interface?
I guess the computer also sends power to the device via the usb?
I understand what you want to do
This adaptor is designed to be connected to a computer (Usb Host) , so no , you cant use a midi to usb cable...

and yes, devices is powered via USB..

BUT GOOD NEWS, im currently finishing stage for a module that does just what you want: classic midi to cv/gate (needs power supply). i am currently testing it with SH-101 and AKAI MPC2000XL

wait one week , and it will be available in the shop.


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Ordered.
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If you can make one for the (original) Minimoog too, I'd be elated Otherwise, this just means I can dedicate my Kenton to just the Mini and have this for the 101.
It will work with a minimoog... but i dont have any minimoog at hand to test it.


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12 bits my friend.
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i know what you mean , actually the legato is a function of the internal sequencer which makes a slope between the voltages... nope... it has not...
Actually, the legato is a function of the synth itself.
If you set the synth to portamento->auto and you leave the gate at 5V, but change the CV then you get legato.

Usually this is done in midi by sending overlapping notes so you would have to process the midi input so that overlapping notes leads to gate signal not resetting between notes and only CV is updated for the new note.

So it's a limitation of your software and not of the 101.
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Cool. So using my DAW and this, I can play the SH-101 with my MIDI keyboard as well?
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He is correct. Not all midi to cv converters pick up legato. I've used a few with the 101 and some glide as it should and some just step to the next note. I'm currently using a arturia microbrute as my converter and it works great. It just so happens that an Arturia beat step does not work properly with the 101.

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Actually, the legato is a function of the synth itself.
If you set the synth to portamento->auto and you leave the gate at 5V, but change the CV then you get legato.

Usually this is done in midi by sending overlapping notes so you would have to process the midi input so that overlapping notes leads to gate signal not resetting between notes and only CV is updated for the new note.

So it's a limitation of your software and not of the 101.
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When you use a midi to cv converter with the 101 the keyboard gets killed. So yes, you can play the 101 from a separate midi controller but not both at the same time.

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Cool. So using my DAW and this, I can play the SH-101 with my MIDI keyboard as well?
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Cool. So using my DAW and this, I can play the SH-101 with my MIDI keyboard as well?
DAW sees cv gate as a regular midi output, if you play your midi keyboard on it , yes i will play the SH-101.. it works that way with ableton.. its pretty straightforward..
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Actually, the legato is a function of the synth itself.
If you set the synth to portamento->auto and you leave the gate at 5V, but change the CV then you get legato.

Usually this is done in midi by sending overlapping notes so you would have to process the midi input so that overlapping notes leads to gate signal not resetting between notes and only CV is updated for the new note.

So it's a limitation of your software and not of the 101.
this sounds right...
if it works as you say... then just overlaping the notes in the pattern will give you legato...

i will make some tests...
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When you use a midi to cv converter with the 101 the keyboard gets killed. So yes, you can play the 101 from a separate midi controller but not both at the same time.

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DAW sees cv gate as a regular midi output, if you play your midi keyboard on it , yes i will play the SH-101.. it works that way with ableton.. its pretty straightforward..
Thanks. I will order one.
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this sounds right...
if it works as you say... then just overlaping the notes in the pattern will give you legato...

i will make some tests...
Just some pointers for the auto mode:

If you have the gate high then portamento will be enabled. If you keep the gate high and you change CV then there will be glide.

A low gate signal actually bypasses/disables the portamento (when in auto mode).
So if you want to play a normal note (non portamento) then the CV should be already changed before the gate signal goes high.
Once you play a note you will get a gate high signal and portamento will be enabled, but cv is already at the destination and there will be no portamento. So you will get a normal note.

So, if you consider how the portamento works, you may need to make sure you output the CV before the gate signal to make it work correctly.
I'm talking here about the order in which you put CV and gate on the lines.
If your gate signal arrives before the CV change then it may not work correctly and you will always get portamento when in auto mode, even if you play short notes.

Edit: i saw you asked about 5V? I think the 101 triggers on anything above 2.5V or so, according to manual.
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Just some pointers for the auto mode:

If you have the gate high then portamento will be enabled. If you keep the gate high and you change CV then there will be glide.

A low gate signal actually bypasses/disables the portamento (when in auto mode).
So if you want to play a normal note (non portamento) then the CV should be already changed before the gate signal goes high.
Once you play a note you will get a gate high signal and portamento will be enabled, but cv is already at the destination and there will be no portamento. So you will get a normal note.

So, if you consider how the portamento works, you may need to make sure you output the CV before the gate signal to make it work correctly.
I'm talking here about the order in which you put CV and gate on the lines.
If your gate signal arrives before the CV change then it may not work correctly and you will always get portamento when in auto mode, even if you play short notes.

Edit: i saw you asked about 5V? I think the 101 triggers on anything above 2.5V or so, according to manual.

yes: gate trigers above 2.5v ... no pb..

i think we are in same page,

this is the way it works internally:
-Cv follows the midi key messages : AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
-gate: changes state on note_on note off

if you cascade many notes overlaping , the gate will never go down..until last note off midi message.

you are right.. the gate should arrive after CV is settled... but no biggy , DAC is pretty fast...
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Thanks for the responses.
One question about the Juno 60 arp trigger, can that work on the 101?
I would like to see a trigger for midi, usb and a pulse option all in one. A pulse option like this:
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Thanks for the responses.
One question about the Juno 60 arp trigger, can that work on the 101?
I would like to see a trigger for midi, usb and a pulse option all in one. A pulse option like this:
The module from the video uses a audio output and generates a pulse...which is pretty useless ... when you can just use the rimshot directly ??? just select the right volume..

on the other hand , if you don't have a drum machine , you can use ARP-SYNC to sync to your daw..
how it works ?? very simple .. it will generate a pulse for each note-on message you send to the device (via usb)

by the way , you can also do that trick with CV-gate module... which is smarter, because you can also use it a cv-gate and to sync the arpegiator and seq...

Cheerios...
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