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Ultimate Keybed Thread(models and manufacturers listed) Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 14th April 2017
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Ultimate Keybed Thread(models and manufacturers listed)

Found this on german site
https://www.musiker-board.de/threads...thread.435157/

Fatar TP/8s and Yamaha FS action are most regarded in terms of playability and feel. Personally, I've never played Fatar TP/8s but seriously considering buying Roland G800 to be my master midi controller (they are cheap these day)

A lot of models are listed here:


Access

Virus (37): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
Virus (61): Fatar TP/8S
Virus Indigo 1 (37): Fatar TP/7BA
Virus Indigo 2 (37): Fatar TP/9S gewichtet, gekapselte Gewichte
Virus Ti 2 Polar/Darkstar (37): Fatar TP/9S gewichtet, gekaspelte Gewichte

Akai

Advance 25/49/61 (25/49/61): Eigendesign, gewichtet, recht sicher von Huaxin gebaut.

Alesis

Fusion 6HD (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
Fusion 8HD (88): Fatar TP/40
Ion (49): Fatar TP/7BA
QS6(.1) (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
QS7(.1) (76): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
QS8(.1) (88): Fatar TP/20
QS8.2 (88): Fatar TP/30

Arturia

Keylab 88: Fatar TP/100LR

Bowen, John

Solaris (61): Fatar TP8S

Clavia

Nord Electro x (ohne HP): Fatar TP/8O
Nord Electro 3 HP: Fatar TP/100
Nord Electro 4 HP: Fatar TP/100LR

Nordlead 1,2(x),4, A1 (49): Fatar TP/7BA
Nordlead 3 (49): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
NordWave (49): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Nord Modular G2 (37): Fatar TP/9S

Nord Piano 2: Fatar TP/40GH
Nord Stage 2 88: Fatar TP/40 (von Clavia modifiziert)

Dave Smith Instruments

Mopho Keyboard: Fatar TP/9S, stärker gewichtet
Mopho X4: Fatar TP/9S, leichter gewichtet
Poly Evolver Keyboard: Fatar TP/9S, stärker gewichtet
Prophet 6: Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
Prophet 08: Fatar TP/9S, leichter gewichtet
Prophet 12 (61): Fatar TP/9S, leicht gewichtet
OB-6: Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)

Dexibell

Vivo S3 (73): Fatar TP/100LR, Triple Contact
Vivo P3 (73): Fatar TP/100LR, Triple Contact

Doepfer

LMK4+ (88) (bis Produktion 04/2011): Fatar TP/10MDR
LMK4+ (88) (ab Produktion 04/2011): Fatar TP/40GH
LMK2+ (88) (bis Produktion 04/2011): Fatar TP/10MDR
LMK2+ (88) (ab Produktion 04/2011): Fatar TP/40GH

Edirol (Roland)

PC-160A (32): Fatar TP/7BA
PC-180A (49): Fatar TP/7BA
PC-200(MKII)(49): Fatar TP/7BA
PC-300 (49): Fatar TP/7BA

Elektron

Analog Keys (37): Fatar TP/9S ungewichtet

E-MU

E-Synth (61): Fatar TP/8S
E4k (61): Fatar TP/8S

Ensoniq

ASR-88 (88): Fatar TP/10
Fizmo (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
KT-76 (76): Fatar TP/10
KT-88 (88): Fatar TP/10
MR-61 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
MR-76 (76): Fatar TP/10
SQ-2(plus/32) (76): Fatar TP/9S, Sonderversion mit kleinen, hochkant angebrachten Gewichten
TS-12 (76): Fatar TP/10
ZR-76 (erste Modelle): Fatar TP/10
ZR-76 (neuere Modelle): Fatar TP/10 MDF

ESI

Keycontrol 25 XT (25): Huaxin, Modell unbekannt
Keycontrol 49 XT (25): Huaxin, Modell unbekannt
Keycontrol 61 XT (25): Huaxin, Modell unbekannt

Fatar / Studiologic

Sledge (gelb): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Sledge "Black Edition": Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)

Acuna (88): Fatar TP/100LR
Numa (88): Fatar TP/400
Numa Compact: Fatar TP/9 Piano
Numa Concert: Fatar TP/40WOOD Ivory Touch
Numa Nano (88): Fatar TP/100LR
Numa Nero (88): Fatar TP/40WOOD
Numa Piano (88): Fatar TP/100
Numa Stage: Fatar TP/100LR

SL990 PRO (88): Fatar TP/40GH
SL990 XP (88): Fatar TP/40GH

VMK-149 Plus (49): Fatar TP/8Piano
VMK-161 Plus (61): Fatar TP/40M
VMK-176 Plus (76): Fatar TP/40M
VMK-188 Plus (88): Fatar TP/40GH
VMK-88 Plus (88): Fatar TP/9Piano

GEM

Equinox (61): Fatar TP/9S, Sonderversion mit kleinen, hochkant angebrachten Gewichten
Equinox Pro (88): Fatar TP/20

Genesys(S)(61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
Genesys Pro(S)(61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet

Pro 1/2 (88): Fatar TP/20
Promega 2/3 (88): Fatar TP/30 (leicht angepasst und leichter gewichtet als das Pro 1/2)
RP Basic (88): Fatar TP/20
RP10 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP100 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP120 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP15 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP150 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP2 (88): Fatar TP/10 MDE
RP200 (88):Fatar TP/21
RP3 (88): Fatar TP/10 MDE
RP60 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP70 (88): Fatar TP/21
RP8 (88): Fatar TP/20
RP88 (88): Fatar TP/20

S2, S2 Turbo (61): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version, aber mit mech. Kontakten und polyAT (GEM-Eigenbau)
S3, S3 Turbo (76): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version, aber mit mech. Kontakten und polyAT (GEM-Eigenbau)
SX2 (61): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version, aber mit mech. Kontakten und polyAT (GEM-Eigenbau)
SX3 (76): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version, aber mit mech. Kontakten und polyAT (GEM-Eigenbau)

WK2 (61): Fatar TP/9S
WK3 (61): Fatar TP/9S
WK4 (61): Fatar TP/9S
WK6 (61): Fatar TP/9S
WK8 (61): Fatar TP/9S
WK8 SE/LE (61): Fatar TP/9S

Kawai

K3 (61): Matsu****a ESK-3020
K5000 (S und W): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version

Korg

01/W (61): Yamaha FS-61
01/W Pro (76): Yamaha FS-E76
01/W Pro X (88): Yamaha A88
Delta (49): Matsu****a ESK-316V (nicht dynamisch)
DSS-1 (61): Matsu****a ESK-903
DW-6000 (61): Matsu****a ESK-70
DW-8000 (61): Matsu****a ESK-901
EC150 (88): Fatar TP/30
EC320 (88): Fatar TP/30
i2 (76): Yamaha FS-E76
i3 (61): Yamaha FS-61
i30 (61): Yamaha FS-61
i4 (S) (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
i5S (61): Fatar TP/7BA
iS35 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
iS40 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
iS50 (61): Fatar TP/7BA
iX300 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Karma (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Kontrol 49 (49): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Kronos (73/88): Korg RH3
M1 (61): Yamaha FS-61
M3 (61): Matsu****a SK-61
M3 (73): Matsu****a SK-73
M3 (88): Korg RH3
MS2000 (44): Fatar TP/7BA
N1 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
N264 (76): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
N364 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
OASYS (88): Fatar TP/41 (Custom-Anfertigung), als RH2 bezeichnet
OASYS (76): Yamaha FS-E76
Pa-1x Pro (76): Fatar TP/8SK
PA-2x Pro (76): Fatar TP/8SK
PA-3x Pro (76): Fatar TP/8SK
PA588 (88): Fatar TP/40, bei Korg aber als RH3 bezeichnet
PA800 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Poly 800 (49): Matsu****a ESK-70
Poly-61 (61): Matsu****a ESK-70
Polysix (61): Matsu****a ESK-70
Prophecy (61) Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
Radias (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
RK-100 (41): Matsu****a ESK-70
SG Pro X (88): Yamaha AE2-88
SG-1D (88): Yamaha A88
SP100 (88): Fatar TP/10
SP200 (88): Fatar TP/30
SP250 (88): RH3
SP300 (88): Fatar TP/30
SP500 (88): Fatar TP/40, von Korg als RH2 bezeichnet
SV-1: Korg RH3
T1 (88): Yamaha A88
T2 (76): Yamaha FS-76
T3 (61): Yamaha FS-61
TR61 (61): Fatar TP/9S
TR76 (76): Fatar TP/9S
TR88 (88): Fatar TP/41
Trident MKII (61): Matsu****a ESK-30
Trinity (61): Yamaha FS-61
Trinity pro (Extreme) (76): Yamaha FS-E76
Trinity Pro/X (88): Yamaha AE2-88
Triton (Extreme) (61): Yamaha FS-61
Triton LE (61): Fatar TP/9S
Triton LE (76): Fatar TP/9S
Triton pro (Extreme) (76): Yamaha FS-E76
Triton proX (Extreme) (88): Yamaha AE2-88
Wavestation (61): Yamaha FS-61
X2 (76): Fatar TP/9S
X3 (61): Yamaha LC-61
X5(D)(61): Fatar TP/7BA
XC2000 (88): Fatar TP/10
Z1 (61): Yamaha FS-61

Kurzweil

Artis (88): Fatar TP/100LR
Artis SE (88): Fatar TP/100LR
Artis 7 (76): Fatar TP/8 Piano, neue Version (straffere Federung)

Forte 7 (76): Fatar TP/40L
Forte (88): Fatar TP/40L
Forte SE (88): Fatar TP/40L

K2000 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet
K2500 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
K2500X (88): Fatar TP/10
K2600 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
K2600X (88): Fatar TP/10MDF
K2661 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet

PC1SE (76): Fatar TP/30
PC1x (88): Fatar TP/30
PC2x (88): Fatar TP/10MDF
PC88 (88): Fatar TP/10MD
PC361 (61): Fatar TP/9S, voll gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
PC3 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
PC3x (88): Fatar TP/40L
PC3A6: Fatar TP/9S, voll gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
PC3A7: Fatar TP/8Piano
PC3A8: Fatar TP/40L
PC3K8 (88): Fatar TP/40L
PC3K7 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
PC3K6 (61): Fatar TP/9S, voll gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)

PC3LE8 (88): Fatar TP/40L
PC3LE7 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
PC3LE6 (61): Fatar TP/8Piano

SP4-8 (88): Fatar TP/100
SP4-7 (76): Medeli KB76FPU
SP5-8 : LK40GH
SP76 (76): Fatar TP/8Piano
SPS4-8: LK40GH

M-Audio

Axiom 61: Fatar TP9Piano

MFB

Dominion 1 (37): Fatar TP/9S, voll gewichtet (gleiche Version wie in Kurzweil PC361/PC3K6, gekapselte Gewichte)

Modal Electronics (ehemals Modulus)

002 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
008 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
001 (37): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)

Moog

Voyager: Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet, (gekapselte Gewichte)
Minimoog Reissue: Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
Sub 37: Huaxin, Modell unbekannt
Sub Phatty: Huaxin, Modell unbekannt
Memorymoog (61): Matsu****a ESK-70

Novation

Bass Station: Fatar TP/7BA
Bass Station 2: Huaxin, Modell unbekannt
Impulse: V-Tech (Spielzeughersteller), Modell unbekannt
K-Station (25): Fatar TP/7BA
KS-5 (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
SL Remote: Fatar TP/9S gewichtet (mit Aftertouch)
Supernova (II/pro/proX (61): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version
X-Station (49): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet

Oberheim

OB-8 (61), altes Modell: Pratt-Read, Modell unbekannt
OB-8 (61), neueres Modell: Matsu****a ESK-70


Quasimidi

Cyber-6 (61): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version
Raven (61): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version
Sirius (49): Fatar TP/7BA


Radikal Technologies

Accelerator: Fatar TP/8SK

Rhodes by Roland

Model 660 (61): Matsu****a SK-761
Model 760 (76): Matsu****a SK-776
VK-1000 (76): Matsu****a SK-876

Roland

A-30 (76): Fatar TP/9 Piano
A-33 (76): Fatar TP/9 Piano
A-37 (76): Fatar TP/9 Piano
A-50 (76): Matsu****a SK-376-DW (polyphoner Aftertouch)
A-70 (76): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version (schwerer und straffer als die Aktuelle)
A-80 (88): Matsu****a SK-688
A-90 (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88-F (J-Wire, Poly AT)
AX-1 (49): Fatar TP/7BA
AX-7 (49): Fatar TP/7BA
Alpha Juno-1 (49): Matsu****a SK-391
Alpha Juno 2 (61): Matsu****a SK-361


D-50 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
D-70 (76): Matsu****a SK-776
DJ-70(MKII)(37): Fatar TP/7BA

E-600 (61): Fatar TP/9S
E-80 (61): Fatar TP/9S
EP-10 (61): Matsu****a SK-162
EP-20 (61): Matsu****a SK-162
EP-30 (61): Matsu****a SK-162
EP-7 (76): Matsu****a SK-7P76
EP-9 (88): Matsu****a SK-8P88

Fantom X6 (61): Matsu****a SK-961
Fantom X7 (76): Matsu****a SK-976

FP4 (88): PHA alpha II
FP7 (88): PHA II
FP7-F (88): PHA III Ivory Feel-S
FP-8 (88): Matsu****a PA-488

G-70 (76): Fatar TP/8S
G-600 (61): Fatar TP/9S
G-800 (76): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version
G-1000 (76): Fatar TP/8S, alte Version

HP-60 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
HP-70 (75): Matsu****a SK-371
HP-126 (88): Fatar TP/10
HP-245 (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
HP-335 (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
HP-535 (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
HP-555G (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
HP-2000 (88): Matsu****a SK-576
HP-2700 (88): Matsu****a SK-688
HP-3000 (88): Matsu****a SK-588 (mech. Kontakte)
HP-3700 (88): Matsu****a SK-688
HP-4500 (88): Matsu****a SK-588
HP-5500 (88): Matsu****a SK-588
HP-5600 (88): Matsu****a SK-588

JD-800 (61): Matsu****a SK-761
JP-8000 (49): Matsu****a SK-949
Juno-106 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
Juno-6/60 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
Jupiter-4 (49): Matsu****a SK-191
Jupiter-6 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
Jupiter-8 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
JV-1000 (76): Matsu****a SK-876
JV-30 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
JV-35 (61): Matsu****a SK-8L61
JV-50 (61): Matsu****a SK-8L61
JV-80 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
JV-90 (76): Matsu****a SK-876
JX-1 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
JX-10 (76): Matsu****a SK-3xx
JX-305 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
JX-3P (61): Matsu****a SK-361
JX-8P (61): Matsu****a SK-361

KR-575(P)(88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
MKB-200 (61): Matsu****a SK-361

RD-100: Fatar TP/10 MDF
RD-200 (76): Matsu****a SK-476
RD-250s (76): Matsu****a SK-676
RD-300 (88): Matsu****a SK-588
RD-300s (88): Matsu****a SK-688
RD-500 (88): Matsu****a PA-488
RD-600 (88): Matsu****a PA-4A88
RD-700GX (88): PHA II Ivory Feel
RD-700NX (88): PHA III Ivory Feel
RD-1000 (88): Matsu****a PA-388B Holzbalkentastatur
RD-2000: PHA-50 progressive hammer-action keyboard with escapement
PHA-50 Keyboard: Wood and Plastic Hybrid Structure, with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel (88 keys)

RS-101 (61): Matsu****a SK-161
RS-202 (61): Matsu****a SK-161
RS-505 (49): Matsu****a SK-192

S-10 (49): Matsu****a SK-391
S-50 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
SH-09 (32): Matsu****a SK-132
SH-1 (32): Matsu****a SK-132
SH-1000 (37): Matsu****a SK-132
SH-101 (32): Matsu****a SK-331
SH-2 (37): Matsu****a SK-132
SH-2000 (37): Matsu****a SK-132
SH-3a (44): Matsu****a SK-142
SH-5 (44): Matsu****a SK-142
SH-7 (44): Matsu****a SK-142
System-100(M)(37): Matsu****a SK-132
System-700(61): Matsu****a SK-162

U-20 (61): Matsu****a SK-761

V-Synth(GT) (61): Matsu****a SK-961
VA-7 (61): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet
VA-76 (76): Fatar TP/8S
VP-330 (49): Matsu****a SK-191

W-30 (61): Matsu****a SK-361
XP-10 (61): Matsu****a SK-961
XP-30 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
XP-50 (61): Matsu****a SK-8L61
XP-60 (61): Matsu****a SK-861
XP-80 (76): Matsu****a SK-876

V-Piano (88): PHA III Ivory Feel

Sequential Circuits (SCI)

MultiTrak (49): Matsu****a ESK-70
Pro One (37): Pratt-Read, J-Wire
Prophet 2000 (61): Matsu****a ESK-3020
Prophet 5/10 (61): Pratt-Read
Prophet 600 (61): Matsu****a ESK-70
Prophet Remote (49): Pratt-Read
Prophet VS (61): Matsu****a ESK-3020
Sixtrak (61): Matsu****a ESK-7113
Split-Eight (61): Matsu****a ESK-70

Solton

SG1 (61): Fatar TP/9S (baugleich GEM Genesys)


Tom Oberheim

Two Voice Pro (37): Fatar TP/9S, Gewichtung noch unbekannt.

Viscount

Physis Piano H1 (88): Fatar TP40 WOOD (mit "Ivory Feel", Triple Contact)
Physis Piano H2: Fatar TP/40 L (modifiziert)
Physis Piano H3 (73): Fatar TP40 WOOD (mit "Ivory Feel", Triple Contact)

Physis K4 (EX)(88): Fatar TP40 L
Physis K4 GW (88): Fatar TP40 WOOD (mit "Ivory Feel", Triple Contact)
Physis K5 (EX)(76): Fatar TP100 LR

"Oberheim" OB-12 (49): Fatar TP/9S, ungewichtet


Waldorf

Blofeld Keyboard: Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet, gekapselte Gewichte
Q Keyboard und Q+ (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)
Wave (61): TP/8S, alte Version
XTk (61): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet (gekapselte Gewichte)

Zarenbourg: Fatar TP/100
Zarenbourg (76), Modell 2015: Fatar TP/40M


Wersi

Pegasus: Fatar TP8/S

Yamaha

CLP-260 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP-300 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP-350 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP-360 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP-550 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP-560 (88): Yamaha AE2-88
CLP545 (88): Yamaha NWX
CLP525 (88): Yamaha GH3CP4: NW-GH
CP4 (88): Yamaha NW-GH

DGX-230/YPG235 (76): Yamaha 16N-E76
DGX-305 (76): Yamaha 16N-E76-PNW
DGX-505 (88): Yamaha 16N-A88
DGX-620 (88): Yamaha GH
DGX-630 (88): Yamaha GHS
DGX660 (88) Yamaha GHSP45: GHS
DGX-640 (88): Yamaha GHS
DS55 (61): Yamaha C61 K6
DX11 (61): Yamaha C61 K6
DX7 (61): Yamaha FX-20
DX7IID/FD (61): Yamaha FS-C61 (schwerer als die daraus abgeleitete FS-61, die in sehr vielen Geräten verbaut wurde)

EX5 (76): Yamaha FS-E76
EX7 (61): Yamaha LC-61

KX8 (88): Yamaha GHS
MM8 (88): Yamaha GHS
MO6 (61): Yamaha LC C61
MO8 (88): Yamaha BHE
Motif 6 (61): Yamaha FS-C61
Motif 7 (76): Yamaha FS-E76
Motif 8 (88): Yamaha A88 K6
Motif ES 6 (61): Yamaha FS-C61
Motif ES 7 (76): Yamaha FS-E76
Motif ES 8 (88): Yamaha A88 K6
Motif XF8 (88): Yamaha BHE
Motif XS6 (61): Yamaha C61 K6 FSX D
Motif XS7 (76): Yamaha E76 K6 FSX D
Motif XS8 (88): Yamaha A88 K6
MOx8 (88): Yamaha GHS

P105 (88): Yamaha GHS
P115 (88): Yamaha GHS
P150 (88): Yamaha AE2
P155 (88): Yamaha GH
P255 (88): Yamaha GH
P300 (88): Yamaha AE
P35 (88): Yamaha GHS
P500 (88): Yamaha AE
P70(S) (88): Yamaha GH
P85 (88): Yamaha GHS
P95 (88): Yamaha GHS
PF-P100 (88): Yamaha AE
PSR-9000 (61): Yamaha C61 K6

S90ES (88): Yamaha BHE
S90XS (88): Yamaha BHE
SY22 (61): Yamaha LC C61K6
SY35 (61): Yamaha LC C61K6
SY77 (61): Yamaha FS C61
SY85 (61): Yamaha C61K12
SY-99 (76): Yamaha FS-E76

W5 (76): Yamaha FS-E76
W7 (61): Yamaha C61 K6

YDP143 (88): Yamaha GHS
YDP163 (88): Yamaha GH3
YDP181 (88): Yamaha GH
YDP-V240 (88): Yamaha GHS
YPG-625 (88): Yamaha GH
YPG-635/DGX-630 (88): Yamaha GHS
Old 14th April 2017
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Big wealth of information there if it's all accurate.
Thanks for sharing
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REV2 has TP9/S. And it's not the same as Prophet 08'.
Old 14th April 2017
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Great information there. One I can add is the Alesis A6 Andromeda also has a Fatar keybed, probably the TP/9S.

How about subjective feel and response of keybeds? I know it's a matter of taste, but we all have had synths with keybeds we loved, or hated, for whatever reason. Of synths I've owned, my favorites have been:

1. Motif XS6 - excellent feel and playability. Aftertouch was too sensitive though, sometimes it would trigger when hitting notes at high velocity.
2. Alesis A6 - nice feel, not as "luxurious" as the XS6, but its aftertouch was perfect.
3. Roland D-50 - loved the feel of this keybed as well. Aftertouch was horrid however, like most older Rolands.

I've always heard the original DX7 had a really nice keybed too, though I've never played one.
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Originally Posted by kpatz View Post
Great information there. One I can add is the Alesis A6 Andromeda also has a Fatar keybed, probably the TP/9S.

How about subjective feel and response of keybeds? I know it's a matter of taste, but we all have had synths with keybeds we loved, or hated, for whatever reason. Of synths I've owned, my favorites have been:

1. Motif XS6 - excellent feel and playability. Aftertouch was too sensitive though, sometimes it would trigger when hitting notes at high velocity.
2. Alesis A6 - nice feel, not as "luxurious" as the XS6, but its aftertouch was perfect.
3. Roland D-50 - loved the feel of this keybed as well. Aftertouch was horrid however, like most older Rolands.

I've always heard the original DX7 had a really nice keybed too, though I've never played one.
Yes, i've read that Andromeda is TP/9S indeed.

GEM S2/S3 /turbo with mechanical contacts and PolyAT takes the lead as the best featured/feel midi keyboard controller.
Old 14th April 2017
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This is awesome!

Would it be possible for us to track 2 things also:

1) whether the keybed+synth can do channel aftertouch (lots of fantastic weighted actions don't)
2) whether the keys are regular-sized or not (for example, two recent synths, Yamaha Montage and Roland JD-XA do not use properly-sized keys)
Old 23rd April 2017
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Good information, thank you!
Old 29th April 2017
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useful info, but it seems that some of the details about weighting are wrong. e.g. it lists the nord lead 3 as weighted, when it really isn't. while they may both use the TP/9S keybed, the NL3 is definitely unweighted in comparison to the noticeably semi-weighted Novation KS5, having owned both at the same time. i also noticed a few other inaccuracies with weighting elsewhere in the list.

also, i don't think dave smith uses fatar keybeds (or at least didn't around the time the prophet 08 came out) - i remember seeing (or maybe reading?) an interview with him where he mentioned using some other brand and having to create different velocity curves as the velocity response varied up and down the board.

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Old 30th April 2017
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Great reference. Anyone know what was used in the Ensoniq ASR-10? That's my all time favorite keybed by a country mile. Supposedly, the VFX, SD, and TS-10 use the same keybed.

I couldn't help but notice the fatar tp9s is used in some boards considered to have sucky keybeds (Karma for example) and others considered to have good keys (k2000 for example). Having played both of the above boards (not at the same time, mind you, so grain of salt applies) I do recall them feeling vastly different. Is there something more to it? How much, if any, leeway does the manufacturer have to tailor the feel of the keys?
Old 30th April 2017
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Yes, i've read that Andromeda is TP/9S indeed.

GEM S2/S3 /turbo with mechanical contacts and PolyAT takes the lead as the best featured/feel midi keyboard controller.
Sssh... I'm still waiting to get an S3 cheap and don't want the prices to go up. the S2/3 should be a closely guarded secret. I'll post some bull below to try an counteract it and cheap S2/3's should be available for longer.

Actually ignore what was posted above the S2/3 have a really crap keyboard, really bad feel, the aftertouch is dreadful and it is really noisy, and the build quality is typical Italian, all plastic not an ounce of metal insight. You certainly would not want to buy one, honestly, I really do mean it

Also they are made with dangerous materials and can seriously harm you if you play them so if you have one I wouldn't use it and instead send it to me for recycling.
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Great reference. Anyone know what was used in the Ensoniq ASR-10? That's my all time favorite keybed by a country mile. Supposedly, the VFX, SD, and TS-10 use the same keybed.

I couldn't help but notice the fatar tp9s is used in some boards considered to have sucky keybeds (Karma for example) and others considered to have good keys (k2000 for example). Having played both of the above boards (not at the same time, mind you, so grain of salt applies) I do recall them feeling vastly different. Is there something more to it? How much, if any, leeway does the manufacturer have to tailor the feel of the keys?
That keybed is based on the FATAR TP/8S ("dogleg" key shape), but lacks mechanical contacts; all of the key position information is determined by way of capacitive sensing using a small metal plate affixed to the underside of each key.

This sensing mechanism is the reason for the calibration message shown at boot of nearly every Ensoniq keyboard which features poly aftertouch.

The keys and the key housing are identical across all of those models (I bought a replacement SD-1 housing + keys to use with my TS-10), but the PCBs differ by model. As the TS-10 / ASR-10 are the last Ensoniq models to feature that keybed, it's reasonable to expect that their PCBs should be the most reliable.

As far as differences between identical keybeds in different devices, the bottom plate (as well as the overall design of the housing) dissipates the "clunk" generated when the key hits the end of its downward (and upward) travel; key bushing condition also comes into play. I generally find the older Roland units with plywood base plates to be fairly quiet in this regard.
Old 1st May 2017
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Ah thank you for the info sir! At the moment I have two ASRs, a MOTIF XS6, a Fantom X7 and a Korg M3, but I've been through a ton of other boards (Triton classic, MOTIF classic, Fusion 6HD, JV-1000, XP-60, K2000, etc etc) and another busload of boards/controllers with some variation of okay-to-bad keybeds, and like I said before, the ASR is easily my favorite out of everything I've ever laid my hands on. The action is superb, it actually acts like an unweighted piano if that makes sense, and the keys are squared off which is perfect for me (more chords than riffs). My problem is that I always find myself wanting to take it on stage, but I kind of need my lower back to remain pain free as well... What I wouldn't give for those keys in a controller. *sigh*
Old 1st May 2017
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That keybed is based on the FATAR TP/8S ("dogleg" key shape), but lacks mechanical contacts; all of the key position information is determined by way of capacitive sensing using a small metal plate affixed to the underside of each key.
The sensing was actually inductive. I loved that VFX polyphonic aftertouch keyboard. Unfortunately my VFX is out of commission due to a dead panel/display card, but I'm contemplating resurrecting the keyboard part of it (there's a separate keyboard scanning card that can be "hijacked"). There was a patent (US4765218 A) on the method that Ensoniq used, but it's expired now, so anybody can go ahead an make this kind of poly aftertouch.
Old 1st May 2017
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Yes, we collected those informations on the Musiker-Board over the past years. They are pretty solid, as we have an expert/fanatic who did also double checks on the Musikmesse over the years.

DSI imho uses only FATAR keybeds.

Nord modifies their keybeds. The list only mention the keybed versions of FATAR. So it might be, that both keyboards have the same keybed but the Nord feels different.

If you know anything that's wrong, please share with a link. We are always looking to "complete" the list.
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The sensing was actually inductive. I loved that VFX polyphonic aftertouch keyboard. Unfortunately my VFX is out of commission due to a dead panel/display card, but I'm contemplating resurrecting the keyboard part of it (there's a separate keyboard scanning card that can be "hijacked"). There was a patent (US4765218 A) on the method that Ensoniq used, but it's expired now, so anybody can go ahead an make this kind of poly aftertouch.
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For example, coils 18 could be replaced by differential capacitors with the coupling member operatively connected to the key being a movable capacitor plate
Look familiar?

Old 1st May 2017
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Yes, we collected those informations on the Musiker-Board over the past years. They are pretty solid, as we have an expert/fanatic who did also double checks on the Musikmesse over the years.

DSI imho uses only FATAR keybeds.

Nord modifies their keybeds. The list only mention the keybed versions of FATAR. So it might be, that both keyboards have the same keybed but the Nord feels different.

If you know anything that's wrong, please share with a link. We are always looking to "complete" the list.
Nord strips a key off the end (never figured out why), but they're generally TP/8O keybeds ("dogleg"-style) on the Electro SW models.
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Look familiar?
Yes. Ensoniq really used inductive sensing in their poly pressure keyboards. As you can see, there are sensing coils on the keyboard PCBs and the schematics show the coils. The metal plates under the keys cover the area of the coil.

Edit: A huge picture of the coils, as well as a brief explanation of the inductive sensing can be seen here.

Edit 2: Inasmuch as it has any relevance, your quote from the patent is incomplete, the contextually complete is "Variations from the described embodiment will be readily apparent. For example, coils 18 could be replaced by differential capacitors with the coupling member operatively connected to the key being a movable capacitor plate. However, the inductive system is preferred because of its relatively low output impedance which is less sensitive to noise.". I.e. capacitive sensing is NOT used in practice, and in any case Ensoniq used inductive sensing.



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Old 1st May 2017
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Nord strips a key off the end (never figured out why), but they're generally TP/8O keybeds ("dogleg"-style) on the Electro SW models.
They also use TP8/9s for synths and TP40/100s in different versions for their Stages and Electro HPs.

My guess: some Fatar keybeds have a quite bad velocity response. I mentioned this on my Kurzweil Forte (TP40) and they provided a per key velocity response editor to even this out. I investigated more into this and found out, that the TP7 of my NL A1 has the same issue. With deep velocity modulation, the velocity response goes totally bananas. The Nord Stage (on paper same TP40) does NOT have this issue and I guess this ultra fine velocity calibration is the modification, Clavia does. Just a guess though.

BTW, the TP8/9s I tested, did NOT have this issue too.
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Yes. Ensoniq really used inductive sensing in their poly pressure keyboards. As you can see, there are sensing coils on the keyboard PCBs and the schematics show the coils. The metal plates under the keys cover the area of the coil.

Edit: A huge picture of the coils, as well as a brief explanation of the inductive sensing can be seen here.



It's an LC circuit.

If you read the patent, the inductive coils (item 19) are not used; instead, the capacitive plate is affixed to the bottom of the keys. The plate itself does not function as an inductive core.

The presence of a coil does not make it an inductive circuit by default; see https://books.google.com/books?id=hS...0plate&f=false for an automotive example of the same mechanism.
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It's an LC circuit.

If you read the patent, the inductive coils (item 19) are not used; instead, the capacitive plate is affixed to the bottom of the keys. The plate itself does not function as an inductive core.

The presence of a coil does not make it an inductive circuit by default.
Oh, come on, daviddever. The piece of metal under the keys alters the inductance of the coils on the PCBs. An AC signal is sent through the coils and the change in that signal, resulting from the metal piece moving in and out of the magnetic field, is measured. It's inductive sensing, pure and simple; it's well known, and the schematics are clear, no ifs or buts
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Oh, come on, daviddever. The piece of metal under the keys alters the inductance of the coils on the PCBs. An AC signal is sent through the coils and the change in that signal, resulting from the metal piece moving in and out of the magnetic filed, is measured. It's inductive sensing, pure and simple; it's well known, and the schematics are clear, no ifs or buts
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Old 1st May 2017
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I knew you'd see it - I've noted that you're a knowledgeable guy around here Oh, and it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it matters only what the facts are.

As for ultimateness of keybeds, I have so fond memories of that VFX one, that this thread may make me pull out the logic analyzer and see what I can make of the controller board's communication with the KPC board. Either that or try to find a new display board for it...

Of other synth keyboards, the Fatar TP/8S in my K5000 S is the best I've ever laid my hands on.
Old 2nd May 2017
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I would guess OB-Xa and OB-X have the same Pratt Read as the early model OB-8. Figure OB-1 is most likely Pratt Read as well. I like the action in my OB-6 and Voyager, but my Yamaha CLP-470 is a whole other class, given it is grand piano action. It makes all my other keys feel cheap, which they are relatively speaking. No aftertouch on a piano though.
Old 7th June 2017
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The Studiologic Numa Compact 2 has a TP/9Piano keybed and is 'semi-weighted'. Is this the same as the 'semi-weighted' TP/9S used in Moog Voyager, Blofeld etc.? Presumably not exactly the same, but what is the difference? Both are semi-weighted so what does the 'Piano' refer to? Any ideas anyone? I'm looking for a keyboard controller with more than 61 keys that plays like my Voyager. Thanks.
Old 7th June 2017
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so what does the 'Piano' refer to? Any ideas anyone?
Shaped to look like a piano key vs a pointy synth key.
Old 7th June 2017
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The Yamaha FS-E76 keyboard is beautiful, the synth it came attached to cost me only £250 but it feels like a proper luxury thing to play.
Old 13th September 2017
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Anyone know which Fatar keyboard the Ensoniq ESQ-1 used?
Old 13th September 2017
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Anyone know which Fatar keyboard the Ensoniq ESQ-1 used?
From what I gather, earlier units used the same Italian-manufactured FATAR bus-bar type contacts and keybed as the E-mu Emax / Emax II, Siel DK-600 / Opera-6, later-period Ensoniq Mirage DSK-8. Pictures of the underside are attached (this from an Emax I / Baldwin IKE).



Later units used another variation which lacked a rear foot, shared with the Ensoniq Mirage DSK-1.



Special thanks to Syntaur.com for the photos of the keycaps.
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Old 13th September 2017
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Kawai K5000 Fatar TP/8S is the shiznit.
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I can't figure out why no one is willing to make a tp8 or tp9 controller. It would be an instant buy.
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