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Behringer Analog Drum Machine Drum Machines & Samplers
Old 16th March 2017
  #751
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Seeing as the 909 will be an influence, can we have this capability at the least Uli?

Apparently looking at the notes the only other drum machine that can do this is the Elektron Machine Drum.

you can do this even with the ancient Korg ER1 *and* set the notes you want triggered.
Old 16th March 2017
  #752
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I really like the sidechain input function on the TR-8! Would like to see something similar, but perhaps more flexible (I don't think it can be controlled by midi on the TR-8, which is a shame)
Old 17th March 2017
  #753
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I really like the sidechain input function on the TR-8! Would like to see something similar, but perhaps more flexible (I don't think it can be controlled by midi on the TR-8, which is a shame)
It can! I remember reading it... It's a super low note C0 or F-1... something like that... It's assignable to any drum note on the JD-Xi...

Edit: oh well that's just triggering it... The JD-Xi is exceptionally more programmable and versatile than anything in the Aira line. Find myself wondering if Roland will kill that department for actually delivering rather than leaving the customer wanting more. They did remove the Drums from the XA and the Analog Filter on the Xi is not capable of processing external sounds so maybe that was the Roland Factor at work...

Curtis filters on Drum Sampler? That could be neat... Self-oscillating Resonant Curtis Filter for kick with Noise and sine/saw input? Noise and Square Snare?

Last edited by Discopotato; 17th March 2017 at 01:05 AM.. Reason: Second paragraph
Old 17th March 2017
  #754
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Uli,
I want that (with tune for clap/hats!) but at the lower price you can and with pads for mute/solo/steps like the DrumBrute!!!



Any chance to have a date of availability?? This summer?? September?? Xmas???
Thanks a lot!!
Old 17th March 2017
  #755
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Uli, stick to your guns and just:
Old 17th March 2017
  #756
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Uli,
I want that (with tune for clap/hats!)


So... you want a copy of a copy?
Old 17th March 2017
  #757
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I fear we are heading into inception territory here people. Has anybody ever been 3 deep in copy copies?
Old 18th March 2017
  #758
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I want a brand new analog drum machine with modern functionalities and good 909 sound for a great LOW price. Maybe you're rich, I'm not.
Old 18th March 2017
  #759
Has anyone cloned the Tempest?
Old 18th March 2017
  #760
I'm not sure if it has been suggested yet, but it would be great to be able to modulate certain parameters. Especially if they installed a mod matrix in a similar way to the DM-12. I would love to have a hardware drum machine that offered a way to add more movement to the groove.
Old 18th March 2017
  #761
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There are some great suggestions here, anyway my meagre requirements would be.. I want a LM1 that sounds like Prince, Human League (Martin Rushent) add in a DMX too, I don't need a TR808/909. The new thing would be to make it all technically accurate regarding timing etc. One member has already mentioned to include the finer details that make a drum box groove.

It was a long time ago now, maybe I misunderstood the demo, the Synclavier can alter (shift a track/part) back and forth in realtime at the touch of that big silver knob. The demo had a running drum track and the guy spun the knob and the hi-hat pattern could be moved a few "ticks" either way so we could hear how the groove changed. It was one of those "oh wow" moments.

I want a box where I just don't need to think about latency, midi delays, sync problems, rise times, noise, headroom or ANY technical issues etc.

Also again many members have stated, the box must be fun to "play", easy hands-on experience, little menu diving which I find to be a distraction, I suppose there will be as much design effort going into the control/human interface as the sound generation part.

Basically I want to "play" with the box and not have to learn more technical stuff finding work-arounds and limititions.

It would be fun too if the thing looked soopa space age, TV/stage-ready stylee. Back in the day I remember when Simmonds revealed the SDX we were all stunned into silence (jaws dropped) and thought... "wow what the hell is that.. I want one!" In fact one came up on eBay recently, I was tempted to buy it, knowing though, chances it would never work right but still looked amazing.
Old 18th March 2017
  #762
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As long as we are wishing for things...

I would love a Tempest kind of machine, with a better OS and more memory. Same awesome silicone pads and layout etc. More voices wouldn't hurt either. So:

- 8 voice analogue/digital hybrid with individual outs (stereo!)
- 2 DCO's with drift options, hard sync + sub OSC
- 2 digital OSCs with sample import and a variety of waveforms (noice, pitchable noise, square, sine etc.)
- Analogue Ring midulator
- Cross mod between OSCs
- Same project/beats/sounds setup as the Tempest but with more memory and the ability to easily switch between projects without interupting the live session.
- 2 Multi-mode filters per voice (clone from MFB dominion 1 preferably)
- Build in distortion that goes from subtle to smashing, assignable per sound and/or main output
- Build in compressor with regular controls, assignable per sound and main output
- OLED screen, doesn't have to be big, Tempest screen is great!
- at least 5 fast envelopes, at least 3 freely assignable, all with adjustable curves (AD/ADSR switchable, of course with Peak option as well as a delay option)
- 2 or more syncable LFO's with a great variety of triplets and dotted options.
- Mod matrix
- Sequencer that can handle polymeters
- Touch strips assignable per beat and per sound with every parameter assignable to them and in multiple layers
- Other performance tools such as reverse, beat repeat, loop, randomize (with extra options to tailor the randomness)

So, an Tempest MKii on steroids I guess
This would not be cheap probably, but I'd buy one :P. On the other hand Tempest is unique in this regard, and probably won't be replicated ever. One can dream though!
Old 19th March 2017
  #763
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Originally Posted by Uli Behringer View Post
Dear all,

first of all I like to wish you a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.

Sometime in July this year I announced we are looking into developing analog as well digital drum machines. I thought I would now share with you aspects of the development process.

At this stage our main focus is on sound creation and for this purpose we resurrected the highly regarded 808 and 909 analog drum machines from the '80's.

Attached are the pics of the first evaluation boards that allow us to study and compare the sound of analog drum instruments. However, our intention is not to clone these products but to evaluate analog sound generation and add a great user interface and sequencer.

I can tell you that the team is having lots of fun listening to these drum sounds that greatly contributed to amazing music in the past. It is actually not surprising that people gravitate to analog sounds as it is the imperfection that evokes emotions. Perhaps it is the fact that we humans are analog, too:-)

While we are far away from releasing a finished product, we thought we would get you involved in this enjoyable design process.

As always we love to hear your opinions.

Uli
I would also advice you to study a Syncussion, you won't regret it. They go for silly prices.
Old 21st March 2017
  #764
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It needs to have a few sample-playback slots with adjustable bit-rates and DAC emulation (to f.e. simulate SP12 crunchy sounds), and these slots need a fader based pitch control like the SP12, so samples can be easily pitched over steps...might even be mini-faders when lack of space
Old 22nd March 2017
  #765
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Sampler w seq, loaded w Linn, ROLAND, DMX samples. 16 note poly. Done. Check please!
Old 22nd March 2017
  #766
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We would love to hear your opinion and invite you to share your ideas and dream features with us.
Uli
I'm currently trying to work with an analog drum machine, here's what I like to see different.
1) forget about copying Roland sounds. Always sound like cheap components to me. It's been done and the possible creative uses have been achieved.
2) Less sounds with more control, higher quality
3) Hi-Hat to be done by hi-pass on white noise. ( not those horrible plastic pseudo-chimey things). Check out the old Soundmaster machine.
4) Controllable from a midi foot controller. Start/Restart a pattern directly at any time (i.e. allow stutter with free timing) . BPM from drum machine itself.
(i.e. can be midi controlled without having to receive midi clock, for instrumentalists who want real time control of their 'drummer'.
5) Midi Implementation chart available.
Old 30th March 2017
  #767
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hope they show something during superbooth and before i will buy tr-8
Old 30th March 2017
  #768
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The idea you can change kits and swap around individual sounds on the Tr8 is a seriously cool aspect of that machine, and the biggest reason I got one again. You have to be able to change kits and sounds within kits on a new drum machine to market, now that we have this with a few other drum machines too it's going to be a hard sell if it doesn't allow the user to do this.. One of my fav kits built on the TR8 is 808 kick, 808 snare, 606 hats, 909 clap, 909 rim n toms.
Old 30th March 2017
  #769
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analog kick & snares, but don't forget the analog 808 clap!
to me it's the best thing about it, love the way it sounds different every time, like any real percussive instrument.

sample playback for the other sounds, but have a bith-depth algorythm on each to have it sounding more gritty or pristine as wished, perhaps make it so it can really crush as well
at least one channel where you can upload a custom sample

separate outputs and a lot of parameter control are a must.

i don't care a lot about sequencing, that can be covered by so much other gear, same with modulation when you have good midi and! NRPN implementation.

i like the ability to store custom kits

analog filters...
if you have an lfo make sure it goes way way up into audio range and can control as many parameters as possible

please, no pure fx, just focus on a good raw sound (except for the 808 clap analog reverb circuit, yumm)

in this case, pure clones don't seem interesting as the market is saturated with those already
Old 30th March 2017
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Simmons SDS-V clone. The world deserves at least one.
Old 30th March 2017
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Simmons SDS-V clone. The world deserves at least one.
I'm not sure how Gene would feel about giving up his name though.
Old 30th March 2017
  #772
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Add more features to shape the snare for a change. Music has had the emphasis on the bass drum for too long now, like since Pump Up The Jam. There was a time when the emphasis was put on the snare and handclap, such as here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SgvJY9xxcA . Neither song are much to my personal liking, but if you don´t want to sound like everybody else you gotta change the rules, just saying.
Old 30th March 2017
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I wish to see the mock already!
Old 30th March 2017
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I'm not sure how Gene would feel about giving up his name though.
Gene who?
Old 30th March 2017
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Gene who?
Simmons.
Old 30th March 2017
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Simmons.
Oh...
Old 30th March 2017
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Something you can also play with sticks
Old 31st March 2017
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I'd like to see an FM drum machine with analog filter with automatable effects. But if you're going to make an all analog one, I'd want to have automatable effects and realtime performance/tweakability. Like take the Tempest, Jomox 999 and an Elektron box, but:

- add sample import
- multiple effects
- Elektron P Locks that can be applied to effects or any parameter
- low bit depth for samples for a punchy, crisp sound
- allow recordable knob tweaks
- Osc. cross mod possibility
- Clock, Gate, CV ins/outs to connect with a modular for some fun
- please have 2 or more LFOs or MSEGs a piece for modulation
- add mod matrix
Old 31st March 2017
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Anything that gets close to a Jomox machine is only going to be great news, if it has patch-ability like a semi modular then even better, if you can swap individual sounds between kits then again awesome, to be able to load samples from a micro card even better again..
808 kick n snare yes please
606 hats please
909 clap and rim yes please

a way to really mess up the sound like with filter or scatter or sync'd gating then more fun for all..
Old 31st March 2017
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I'd like to see an FM drum machine with analog filter with automatable effects. But if you're going to make an all analog one, I'd want to have automatable effects and realtime performance/tweakability. Like take the Tempest, Jomox 999 and an Elektron box, but:

- add sample import
- multiple effects
- Elektron P Locks that can be applied to effects or any parameter
- low bit depth for samples for a punchy, crisp sound
- allow recordable knob tweaks
- Osc. cross mod possibility
- Clock, Gate, CV ins/outs to connect with a modular for some fun
- please have 2 or more LFOs or MSEGs a piece for modulation
- add mod matrix
+ ability to sample itself
+ couple of different timestretching options


that would be a great drum machine. Cross mod FM drum sounds are the business when paired with the right reverb and resampled
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