A potential reduced version of this synth in the 600€ range or below. Preferably with a smaller keyboard but could be a Desktop module too. To lower cost, start by reducing/removing the effects section, then the voice count (I could do with 6 or even 4 voices), then the mod matrix and further advanced features. I would be happy for a more or less non-menued version resembling a Juno frontpanel with your extras and with the sound we have heard so far in the teasers.
You might be happy with that but I wouldn't. I would only be interested in a desktop/rack-module that keeps all features except for the keybed and the pitch+mod wheels.
I want a desktop/rack-module to save space, not to save money!
Even for a cheaper cut-down version I think cutting the mod matrix would go too far (unless it's Volca range cheap).
Tons of posts by various veteran members on these boards went unanswered, and here, a newcomer singing songs of praise and Uli magically shows up to answer his questions and responded very quickly. Very fishy.....
Hi Hazmatic,
not really and I apologize if this is the impression. I simply don't have enough time to keep up with reading all posts for now.
I wish I could spend all my time here, but unfortunately I also have a day job and one of them is to make sure we get the synth in production.
The project initially started based on the Juno 106, however today the DeepMind12 is a very different synthesizer.
I believe we reinvented the term "feature creep" as the capabilities and features grew literally from week to week - not the most efficient way to design a product, but this is surely a reflection of the incredible passion that went into the synth:-)
While we made sure to retain the original Juno sound signature by deploying the same filter design, the instrument is capable of creating very different and also unheard of sounds.
To be perfectly clear, the DeepMind12 does not have motor faders, multi-timbre or multi-mode filter capabilities aside from being able to select 4 or 2 pole filter modes. That was simply not possible for the price we are targeting.
We will soon be revealing the detailed specs and also have magazines and artists showcase the synth in great detail. Around 20 units are currently out with renowned sound designers to create inspiring patches.
Uli
Odd 12 voice but not at least two layers. No? All for unison?
Tons of posts by various veteran members on these boards went unanswered, and here, a newcomer singing songs of praise and Uli magically shows up to answer his questions and responded very quickly. Very fishy.....
Boo-hoo! I hardly got my questions answered. No word on the dcos. Instead a member is teaching me about what is pretty obvious, namely that dco 2 is an independent osc as if I have no clue about what the info I have compiled is about. Don't worry. l'll iron out any further misunderstandings and head back to KVR. You probably won't give me any reasons to stay anyway. Have a nice life.
Don't worry. l'll iron out any further misunderstandings and head back to KVR. You probably won't give me any reasons to stay anyway. Have a nice life.
Don't let a troll ruin your stay, better to ignore him. Gearslutz can sometimes be a bit rough but there are also plenty of insightful and valuable posts made all the time so it's worth sticking around.
You might be happy with that but I wouldn't. I would only be interested in a desktop/rack-module that keeps all features except for the keybed and the pitch+mod wheels.
I want a desktop/rack-module to save space, not to save money!
Even for a cheaper cut-down version I think cutting the mod matrix would go too far (unless it's Volca range cheap).
Cool. But shouldn't you direct the wish to Uli, instead of commenting mine? I am afraid I won't change mine just because yours are different, and since I am not the Santa here, I will even be less able to do something about yours.
The project initially started based on the Juno 106, however today the DeepMind12 is a very different synthesizer.
I believe we reinvented the term "feature creep" as the capabilities and features grew literally from week to week - not the most efficient way to design a product, but this is surely a reflection of the incredible passion that went into the synth:-)
While we made sure to retain the original Juno sound signature by deploying the same filter design, the instrument is capable of creating very different and also unheard of sounds.
To be perfectly clear, the DeepMind12 does not have motor faders, multi-timbre or multi-mode filter capabilities aside from being able to select 4 or 2 pole filter modes. That was simply not possible for the price we are targeting.
We will soon be revealing the detailed specs and also have magazines and artists showcase the synth in great detail. Around 20 units are currently out with renowned sound designers to create inspiring patches.
Uli
Would be awesome if Eric Persing was one of them
If you're considering creating a sampler try to get Peter Vogel on board.
I rather think that even most agile manufacturers (Behringer, Korg, Yamaha etc) would not be able to produce synth model variations with every keybed option built in while keeping price low/affordable. There are so many options for control 37 keys (for bass and mobile), 49 (for mobile/compact) 61 synth action, 61 semi weighted, 73, 88 semi weighted and fully weighted piano action, Seaboard, Continuum, LinnStrument, Soundplane etc. Some are logical for particular functionality some are simply matter of preference. Thus to me it seems pretty logical that for serious instrument desktop/rack should be standard version and upon manufacturers vision it could be accompanied with another model with built in most appropriate midi control option for particular synth/functionality. Just my thoughts...
I did not ask for it to be "affordable", whatever the definition of that might be for each of us. I bought the P~6 and plan on an OB-6 purchase so I am willing to pay for what I want, and I know I can't be alone in this regard since I rarely have an original idea . Many of us would like to see a powerhouse 5 octave synth again, like my Andromeda, but with modern processor speed. 16 voices; ribbon controller; let's see what they cost and talk about it. Even if Behringer charges as much as the Prophet or Oberheim costs, it would be a bargain to get that all in one keyboard (maybe with VCOs?) for the DSI price tag. A note about Modal. I really thought the 008 was going to be a possible replacement for the A6 and I was prepared to buy it. But when I found out about the hard panning and the necessity to buy an extra card for a work-around my gas for it died.
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I really wish Korg had a new Workstation in this price range and of that caliber.
A Krome or Kross is a huge step down and a Kronos is overkill in comparison.
I wanted an M3 so badly when they were around and they seemed to disappear before I was able to afford it. I think it was much cooler in form factor than the Kronos, Kross or Krome.
No, DCO-2 is obviously a full featured oscillator as the independent "pitch mod" and "pitch" labelled controls imply ; the "sync" option wouldn't make much sense if it wasn't btw.
The "tone mod" sounds like an original waveshaper design, it could be clearly heard in the first teaser.
I'm hoping you're right. Are you going from a picture; quote; or previous post by someone? Share please. Thanks.
That is what the extended thing is about, I guess. Obviously it is not just an ordinary Juno sub. So far it doesn't seem to have an independent waveform selector, so therefore the phaselocked square guess. Hope Uli wil make us wiser. Btw from the mod matrix it seems to be referred to as a sub, while dco 1 is called main.
Edit: Oops. Saw that he already answered. No further details though.
I missed where he answered. Can you point me where it is? Thanks.
But what do you make of DCO2? The mod matrix refers to "DCO main" and "DCO sub", so are we looking at something that is really meant to be a sub oscillator?
What I make of it may or may not be true, but my guess is that it's just a terminology issue that will get cleaned up in the menus of the production model.
What may have begun as a Juno-ish sub osc morphed into a full fledged DCO 2 with the inclusion of independent pitch control and variable waveshaping - the "feature creep" that Uli alluded to.
I'm hoping you're right. Are you going from a picture; quote; or previous post by someone? Share please. Thanks.
Well in that respect I certainly agree with him though no one has stated it directly. His arguments about the pitch mod and sync feature are certainly valid. Besides the orginal Juno has one osc with a layerable saw and pwm square + a sub square. Calling the saw and main square for dco 1 and the sub for dco 2 would be as technical misleading as can be if they were not independent. Don't think the Midas team have left things to circumstances here.
It has just occurred to me that I have NEVER bought a polyphonic analog synth new since
I starting buying synths in 1977 at the age of 14.
This synths looks like a great opportunity for me to do so.
I have bought digital synths brand new, so this might make a great
replacement for my Studiologic Sledge II.
I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 which our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for both desktop and rack-mount usage - hence rack ears would be included.
Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design, as your opinion is important to us.
Thanks for your feedback.
Uli
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I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.
Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.
I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.
Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.
Thanks for your feedback.
Uli
Perfect to me!!! Please make this as soon as possible!
Desktop over rackmount gets my vote, but I'll probably forego both and pick up the keyboard version... depending on that crazy little thing called price
I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.
Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.
Thanks for your feedback.
Uli
I think it looks great Uli. And that was fast getting a rendering together . One question. Any chance you could squeeze in another set of adsr sliders so we would have independent enceople controls for amp and filter.? Thanks, and i cant wait to get my hands on the dm12. Looks like your about to have a smash hit on your hands
I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for both desktop and rack-mount usage - hence rack ears would be included.
Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design, as your opinion is important to us.
Thanks for your feedback.
Uli
Perfect. Pretty much what I expected. More ideal for hybrid ITB/OTB setups. Possibly more desirable than the keyboard version but I use a Supernova II as a master keyboard and synth so...
Oh, has it been confirmed the DM12 will have no audio input? If so, this is a little disappointing tbh, would be nice to have access to the internal FX for processing other sounds.
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I think it looks great Uli. And that was fast getting a rendering together . One question. Any chance you could squeeze in another set of adsr sliders so we would have independent enceople controls for amp and filter.? Thanks, and i cant wait to get my hands on the dm12. Looks like your about to have a smash hit on your hands
Two sets of faders is one of the things I love about the KS Rack. I really don't see how another set could be added to the design Uli has posted, though, without cutting out other controls, using smaller faders, or making the desktop unit much larger.