Originally Posted by IncarnateX

A potential reduced version of this synth in the 600€ range or below. Preferably with a smaller keyboard but could be a Desktop module too. To lower cost, start by reducing/removing the effects section, then the voice count (I could do with 6 or even 4 voices), then the mod matrix and further advanced features. I would be happy for a more or less non-menued version resembling a Juno frontpanel with your extras and with the sound we have heard so far in the teasers.

Originally Posted by Hazmatic

Tons of posts by various veteran members on these boards went unanswered, and here, a newcomer singing songs of praise and Uli magically shows up to answer his questions and responded very quickly. Very fishy.....

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

Hi IncarnateX,

thank you for your comment.

The project initially started based on the Juno 106, however today the DeepMind12 is a very different synthesizer.
I believe we reinvented the term "feature creep" as the capabilities and features grew literally from week to week - not the most efficient way to design a product, but this is surely a reflection of the incredible passion that went into the synth:-)

While we made sure to retain the original Juno sound signature by deploying the same filter design, the instrument is capable of creating very different and also unheard of sounds.

To be perfectly clear, the DeepMind12 does not have motor faders, multi-timbre or multi-mode filter capabilities aside from being able to select 4 or 2 pole filter modes. That was simply not possible for the price we are targeting.

We will soon be revealing the detailed specs and also have magazines and artists showcase the synth in great detail. Around 20 units are currently out with renowned sound designers to create inspiring patches.

Uli

Originally Posted by Hazmatic

Tons of posts by various veteran members on these boards went unanswered, and here, a newcomer singing songs of praise and Uli magically shows up to answer his questions and responded very quickly. Very fishy.....

Originally Posted by IncarnateX

Don't worry. l'll iron out any further misunderstandings and head back to KVR. You probably won't give me any reasons to stay anyway. Have a nice life.

Originally Posted by tux99

You might be happy with that but I wouldn't. I would only be interested in a desktop/rack-module that keeps all features except for the keybed and the pitch+mod wheels.

I want a desktop/rack-module to save space, not to save money!


Even for a cheaper cut-down version I think cutting the mod matrix would go too far (unless it's Volca range cheap).

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

I wish I could spend all my time here

Originally Posted by zerocrossing

Odd 12 voice but not at least two layers. No? All for unison?

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

Hi IncarnateX,

thank you for your comment.

The project initially started based on the Juno 106, however today the DeepMind12 is a very different synthesizer.
I believe we reinvented the term "feature creep" as the capabilities and features grew literally from week to week - not the most efficient way to design a product, but this is surely a reflection of the incredible passion that went into the synth:-)

While we made sure to retain the original Juno sound signature by deploying the same filter design, the instrument is capable of creating very different and also unheard of sounds.

To be perfectly clear, the DeepMind12 does not have motor faders, multi-timbre or multi-mode filter capabilities aside from being able to select 4 or 2 pole filter modes. That was simply not possible for the price we are targeting.

We will soon be revealing the detailed specs and also have magazines and artists showcase the synth in great detail. Around 20 units are currently out with renowned sound designers to create inspiring patches.

Uli

Originally Posted by gjvti

I rather think that even most agile manufacturers (Behringer, Korg, Yamaha etc) would not be able to produce synth model variations with every keybed option built in while keeping price low/affordable. There are so many options for control 37 keys (for bass and mobile), 49 (for mobile/compact) 61 synth action, 61 semi weighted, 73, 88 semi weighted and fully weighted piano action, Seaboard, Continuum, LinnStrument, Soundplane etc. Some are logical for particular functionality some are simply matter of preference. Thus to me it seems pretty logical that for serious instrument desktop/rack should be standard version and upon manufacturers vision it could be accompanied with another model with built in most appropriate midi control option for particular synth/functionality. Just my thoughts...

Originally Posted by Vertflyer

Reminds me of this. I always like this design.

Originally Posted by SonicBern

First they say, give us a rack unit...

Then they say, make it hybrib with DSP added...

Then they say, reduce the physical controls, we can do it all on the editor...

Then they say, remove some analog voices to get the price down, it's a hybrib after all...

Then they say, model some of those expensive analog bits with DSP...

Then they say, model it all in DSP...

Then they say, give us a software version...

Then they say, look, tell you what, just do it as a VST...

I quite like the idea of you focusing on making great synths, that sound great and have a real interface...

It dose not matter how big a synth is if it sounds great and is easy to use...

The DeepMind 12, went in the right direction, please don't end up as another VST synth maker...

Originally Posted by Marc_the_Darc

+Many on NO software-dependancy! It's just a setup to eventually fail - usually far sooner than reasonable.

Imho most people have completely lost sight of what makes hardware awesome...

Originally Posted by wishy-washy

No, DCO-2 is obviously a full featured oscillator as the independent "pitch mod" and "pitch" labelled controls imply ; the "sync" option wouldn't make much sense if it wasn't btw.
The "tone mod" sounds like an original waveshaper design, it could be clearly heard in the first teaser.

Originally Posted by IncarnateX

That is what the extended thing is about, I guess. Obviously it is not just an ordinary Juno sub. So far it doesn't seem to have an independent waveform selector, so therefore the phaselocked square guess. Hope Uli wil make us wiser. Btw from the mod matrix it seems to be referred to as a sub, while dco 1 is called main.

Edit: Oops. Saw that he already answered. No further details though.

Originally Posted by Mr Knoch

Bump. Good enough for a re-read.

Originally Posted by Mr Knoch

I missed where he answered. Can you point me where it is? Thanks.

Originally Posted by bjoerngiesler

But what do you make of DCO2? The mod matrix refers to "DCO main" and "DCO sub", so are we looking at something that is really meant to be a sub oscillator?

Originally Posted by Mr Knoch

I'm hoping you're right. Are you going from a picture; quote; or previous post by someone? Share please. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Zaphod Betamax

this might make a great
replacement for my Studiologic Sledge II.

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.

Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.

Thanks for your feedback.

Uli

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.

Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.

Thanks for your feedback.

Uli

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for desktop and rack-mount usage.

Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design and hence your opinion is important to us.

Thanks for your feedback.

Uli

Originally Posted by Uli Behringer

I like to present you with some of our desktop/rack-mount designs for the DeepMind12 our designers we have come up with. The unit is designed to accommodate for both desktop and rack-mount usage - hence rack ears would be included.

Just to be clear, we have not yet decided to progress with this design, as your opinion is important to us.

Thanks for your feedback.

Uli

Originally Posted by t-bone

I think it looks great Uli. And that was fast getting a rendering together . One question. Any chance you could squeeze in another set of adsr sliders so we would have independent enceople controls for amp and filter.? Thanks, and i cant wait to get my hands on the dm12. Looks like your about to have a smash hit on your hands