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Old 2 weeks ago
  #18571
Its Continues to Get Better

I've had a bit of a crash course with this, and feel I've really got my pulse on the basic workflow here (I understand subtractive synthesis fairly well--or think I do---so merely implementing that sort of discipline with it and the results have met if not exceeded my expectations no doubt).

Most of presets I've initalized have been Bass sounds thus far, and they have been as vast as any single synth I can remember. I've mad some fantastic sub layers and think I've created 20 different bass sounds today alone.

Now simply trying to "sequence" the Barney Miller theme show bass line with the ARP. Also love actual control sequencer (something I've not leveraged in a while, but this makes it pretty easy).

All in all, as I assumed to really love this synth you have to spend time with it and really become intimate. Once the little light turned on for me, (ie workflow) it was balls to the wall grooving, and I'd say I've only tapped in to 15-20% of it's potential.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #18572
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Originally Posted by liviou2004 View Post
Of course, I'm not you ! So I can't say if you will have the same enthousiasm as me.
The possibilities it offers are really vast.
That's all I can say !
Well, I'm me, and so yeah....I can vouch for it. ?

Okay, well I have some of the same synths as you, and echo your enthusiasm for this. The first few days I was up and down with it, but once I had my "ahah" moment with the basic structure of implementing its work flow---I just think "genius" to myself.
Also, while I'm one of those who will find good in most any synth, I'm also going to call it like I see it (so many folks seem to love something merely because they have it) but this one is legit. Can't wait to begin incorporating my new presets in to some beats. I'm actually jumping off the synth for the day....I've been on it nearly eight straight hours (literally). Ha ha
Old 2 weeks ago
  #18573
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I have a Behringer deepmind 12, It's an analog synthesizer but with a digital front end. That means if You create a sound using the faders ; the digital part of the synth van save all fader settings so the sound can be recalled again even when the synth has been plugged out and restarted again call up your saved sound and it sounds exactly as being created. The faders are not motorized so you can tweak your sound further, save it again and stored. The default presets are made the same way.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #18574
Behringer Deepmind Free Ambient Patches



Hello everybody, I just finished my second part of patches for Behringer Deepmind. All patches are available for free/pay-what-you-wish via link in the YouTube video description.
Actually I used to stick to kind of ambient mood in sound design, so these patches mostly reveal calm side of the synth. Also here I tried to use built in effects and even mapped delay parameters to MOD and PITCH wheel to control it while playing, which is kinda fun.
Anyway, hope it will be useful!
Old 2 weeks ago
  #18575
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I'm having a wacky issue with my DM12D - when I play a note, the LEDs are lighting up backwards - from 12 to 1.
It doesn't affect performance, but is annoying.

Oh and another thing, it seems like it's 2 octaves too high on all patches??

Anyone else seeing this?

Any ideas for a fix?

Last edited by cramseur; 2 weeks ago at 05:02 AM..
Old 1 week ago
  #18576
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I'm having a wacky issue with my DM12D - when I play a note, the LEDs are lighting up backwards - from 12 to 1.
It doesn't affect performance, but is annoying.
I'm not sure to understand ! All Deepmind are working that way : LEDs are lighting on and off from 12 to 1 acccording to the used voices (1 or 2 or three etc...at a time). It's a normal operation
So, I don't see where is the issue ?
Old 1 week ago
  #18577
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I COULDN'T TURN THE F&%KING DIGITAL FX OFF!!!!

You can't truss it.
This appears to be complete logic failure.
Or a troll...
Old 1 week ago
  #18578
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...or both?...
Old 1 week ago
  #18579
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Originally Posted by liviou2004 View Post
I'm not sure to understand ! All Deepmind are working that way : LEDs are lighting on and off from 12 to 1 acccording to the used voices (1 or 2 or three etc...at a time). It's a normal operation
So, I don't see where is the issue ?
Ahh, i thought tgey woild light up from 1-12 depending on how many were bring used (so if one key press used 3 voices, then lights 1,2,and 3 would light). On mine i will get lights 12, 11, and 10 lighting up. Then yhe next key press will light 9.8.and 7...etc.

If this is normal then cool.
Old 1 week ago
  #18580
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I can program a DX7 mrk1 from scratch,I can program a Matrix 6 no problem...I program Roland R8's to do things most people don't even know they can do.

But anytime I tried to demo a DM I COULDN'T TURN THE F&%KING DIGITAL FX OFF!!!!

And EVERY PATCH WAS DRENCHED IN THEM.

You can't truss it.
have another go. plan what you're gonna do. go back in, take a deep breath - *breathe*, don't let the stress get to you - and then focus on turning off all the FX. f*** factory presets, loads of otherwise decent synths are festooned with them. ( at least that's what i'm telling myself until i get hands on one )

Last edited by ibtl; 1 week ago at 06:08 AM..
Old 1 week ago
  #18581
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f*** factory presets, loads of otherwise decent synths are festooned with them. ( at least that's what i'm telling myself until i get hands on one )
I felt a few of the factory presets were worth editing, if only as a learning experience. Starting with the default basic patch works better for me. The classic Juno patches someone posted are good too.

Turning off the effects is easy enough. You just go into the Fx settings and set them to Bypass.

Doing that for 1,024 presets (or about 900 plus some repeats) would be a pain, but doing it before playing each one isn't a hardship. If it's being demoed in a shop, you could do them a favour by saving the patch again, with the effects turned off

I prefer parameter drift turned off too. Using oscillator drift on a DCO synth is fair enough, but randomising other parameters as you play, is taking it a step too far.
Old 1 week ago
  #18582
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Turning off the effects is easy enough. You just go into the Fx settings and set them to Bypass.


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Doing that for 1,024 presets (or about 900 plus some repeats) would be a pain,
a decent software librarian could let you copy a default preset many times.
Old 6 days ago
  #18583
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Here's a jam on mine, no external FX / processing

Happy synth day!

Old 3 days ago
  #18584
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Hello,

Since the DM12 has been released for a while now and appear to be a good poly, I figure that its oscillators' path has been totally understood.

Unfortunalety, it's not obvious for me, and there's something that still wondering me in the DCO waveshaping, that's been exposed on many reviews like those two ones:

https://youtu.be/W1OrME6w7nQ?t=460

and

https://youtu.be/So8B6HJ2chQ?t=397

In the low tone DCO1 saw is clearly not a saw, it's totally flatten and the positive pulse is totally shaded in a sine arch. This won't happen in the mid note range and so far the rest of the upper keyboard. DCO1 square is also impacted and quite massevely filtered, but DCO2 square doesn't seem to encounter this problem in the same low note range. That's quite strange...

Considering it in terms of tessitura, DCO1 does not do the job, especially on bass sound. The scopes are clearly showing it.
This waveshaping problem does not exist on Juno106, the upon review shows it perfectly... the 106 is still producing a saw (a real one) in the low range, where the DM12 produces a weird filtered one (only a negative pulse, overall energy flattens).

That comes to my reflexion :
-how can a DCO may encounter such a waveshaping problem in the bass range ? capacitors ?
-the tessitura of DCO1 is clearly impacted, but surprisingly I didn't read much complains, the only word that repeats is DM DCO's are thin... nothing about tessitura, but DM can not be a bass machine considering this problem...
-Does a mod exist that corrects this ?

Finally, I would like to know if this waveshaping problem in bass range may have passed unnoticed because the overall audio path is great. It's clear that filter sounds great, but what about this waveshaping problem in bass range ? I would really like to know and moreover to understand.

Best regards.
Old 2 days ago
  #18585
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Originally Posted by ntrn View Post
Hello,

Since the DM12 has been released for a while now and appear to be a good poly, I figure that its oscillators' path has been totally understood.

Unfortunalety, it's not obvious for me, and there's something that still wondering me in the DCO waveshaping, that's been exposed on many reviews like those two ones:

https://youtu.be/W1OrME6w7nQ?t=460

and

https://youtu.be/So8B6HJ2chQ?t=397

In the low tone DCO1 saw is clearly not a saw, it's totally flatten and the positive pulse is totally shaded in a sine arch. This won't happen in the mid note range and so far the rest of the upper keyboard. DCO1 square is also impacted and quite massevely filtered, but DCO2 square doesn't seem to encounter this problem in the same low note range. That's quite strange...

Considering it in terms of tessitura, DCO1 does not do the job, especially on bass sound. The scopes are clearly showing it.
This waveshaping problem does not exist on Juno106, the upon review shows it perfectly... the 106 is still producing a saw (a real one) in the low range, where the DM12 produces a weird filtered one (only a negative pulse, overall energy flattens).

That comes to my reflexion :
-how can a DCO may encounter such a waveshaping problem in the bass range ? capacitors ?
-the tessitura of DCO1 is clearly impacted, but surprisingly I didn't read much complains, the only word that repeats is DM DCO's are thin... nothing about tessitura, but DM can not be a bass machine considering this problem...
-Does a mod exist that corrects this ?

Finally, I would like to know if this waveshaping problem in bass range may have passed unnoticed because the overall audio path is great. It's clear that filter sounds great, but what about this waveshaping problem in bass range ? I would really like to know and moreover to understand.

Best regards.
I don't understand the purpose of your post. The DM12 has never meant to be a perfect copy of the Juno 106 ! Starsky Car just shows it's possible to get very similar tones between the both. Similar does not mean equal !

There is no problem with this aspect. That's the reason why very few complains about that !
It's not a "problem". This is one of the DM12 caracteristics. Either it suits you or not.

I have the DM12 and I can tell you that the Sawtooth wave sounds really "Saw", even in its very bass range !

What is important is the sound, right ? Not the scope view. Did you listen to the Starsky comment : "Don't think it affects the tone".
Old 2 days ago
  #18586
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Originally Posted by liviou2004 View Post
I don't understand the purpose of your post. The DM12 has never meant to be a perfect copy of the Juno 106 ! Starsky Car just shows it's possible to get very similar tones between the both. Similar does not mean equal !

There is no problem with this aspect. That's the reason why very few complains about that !
It's not a "problem". This is one of the DM12 caracteristics. Either it suits you or not.

I have the DM12 and I can tell you that the Sawtooth wave sounds really "Saw", even in its very bass range !

What is important is the sound, right ? Not the scope view. Did you listen to the Starsky comment : "Don't think it affects the tone".
Very good post.
It is not the image on the scope, but the sound that you hear.

best regards
Old 2 days ago
  #18587
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Originally Posted by ntrn View Post
something that still wondering me in the DCO waveshaping, that's been exposed on many reviews like those two ones:

https://youtu.be/W1OrME6w7nQ?t=460

and

https://youtu.be/So8B6HJ2chQ?t=397

In the low tone DCO1 saw is clearly not a saw, it's totally flatten and the positive pulse is totally shaded in a sine arch. This won't happen in the mid note range and so far the rest of the upper keyboard. DCO1 square is also impacted and quite massevely filtered, but DCO2 square doesn't seem to encounter this problem in the same low note range. That's quite strange...
Curvature visible in the low range can indicate high pass filtering, but it may be at a roll off frequency that's below the audio range - in which case you might not be able to hear it at all.

The frequency analysis is more useful than looking at the waveform on a scope, because it shows the relative amplitude of harmonics - but listening is best of all, its true.

On this frequency analysis, a bit further on in the video than the first link, I can't see or hear a significant difference in the lower range:

https://youtu.be/W1OrME6w7nQ?t=500
Old 2 days ago
  #18588
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Hello,

I thank you for your answers.

In fact I don't look after a juno106 clone, nor any clone at all, nor a perfectly clean sawtooth, my purpose is only intended in understanding this DCO waveshaping and subsequently the potential consequence on tessitura.

This is what I really would like to understand : How can a filter "spread" only a positive part of the signal and not its negative one... so what can be the process causing this "strange" DCO waveshaping behaviour.

Considering this fact, I really wonder how this "shading" of the saw in low range impact the tessitura of the DM12. In other words, does it really impact it or not ? Because I wonder if the saw has the same RMS level in the whole range or at least "acceptable tessitura" range.

Best regards.

PS: I won't purchase a synth considering its scope. But on the other hand, I know i will scope it as soon as I get it...
Old 18 hours ago
  #18589
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All I know is the DeepMind kept showing up on ‘if you only get two synths’ thread. And people hang onto it in the gear you’re selling next thread.
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