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Behringer DeepMind 12 Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 11th June 2018
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I love Travelers, too. I wasn't sure anyone else was watching it. Good sci-fi on a low budget, with good characters, for the most part. I hadn't really noticed that he music. Good excuse to rewatch an episode or two.
Old 12th June 2018
  #16502
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I am thinking of buying the rack version, but it is not available in a music store nearby. I was surprised, I am in Montreal Canada.... I may end up ordering from the U.S. in the end, but I usually prefer buying local in a music store I like.

...if anyone knows if more supply is coming this summer?
for the 12D....

I was not sold on the synth but some demos really made it... it is a super Juno after all.
Old 12th June 2018
  #16503
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I am thinking of buying the rack version, but it is not available in a music store nearby. I was surprised, I am in Montreal Canada.... I may end up ordering from the U.S. in the end, but I usually prefer buying local in a music store I like.

...if anyone knows if more supply is coming this summer?
for the 12D....

I was not sold on the synth but some demos really made it... it is a super Juno after all.
It is funny -i used to have a Juno 106 and ditched it because I didn’t care for the sound. The DeepMind is much more versatile, even before the effects engine. There are some sounds i wish I could get out of it, but i cannot seem to do so. However, it is a great to go with other synths.
Old 12th June 2018
  #16504
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Yes! Very versatile synth! My thirst for another analog poly is gone for the moment. I pair it with Valhalla Ubermod to get better modulation effects (chorus, ensemble, flanger, etc.) and what I can cover with it is pretty impressive!
Old 12th June 2018
  #16505
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It is funny -i used to have a Juno 106 and ditched it because I didn’t care for the sound. The DeepMind is much more versatile, even before the effects engine. There are some sounds i wish I could get out of it, but i cannot seem to do so. However, it is a great to go with other synths.
I used to have a Juno-6, real workhorse, I found that without effects the deepmind has that kind of tone. ...and removing most modulations like velocity and aftertouch get you there even more


...it should be good enough for me, even if I have a P08 that is in the same ballpark... (DCO + lots of mods) ...the basic sound is different enough.
I want to replace the JP8080 I had in the rack in front of me when I play in the studio. No place for another desktop unit, I want it racked. SOld the JP last week and feels a bit confused. I actually liked that synth

... ideally I wanted another palette of sounds, but I don't have the funds to get a top dollar synth like the Deckards Dream or P6.... silly me the JP filled that place quite well.

The deepmind rack will make me forget the JP I am pretty sure!


....would like to know if there are more units coming in CANADA!!!!!!! or is it already over....
Old 15th June 2018
  #16506
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I don't know if the Behringer guys are still on this forum looking for ideas to improve the synth. I just wanted to say that the ability to save effects chains as user presets would be a big plus. So many times I would have liked to use an effect chain I used on another patch... Just an idea for a future update of the firmware...
Old 15th June 2018
  #16507
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I don't know if the Behringer guys are still on this forum looking for ideas to improve the synth. I just wanted to say that the ability to save effects chains as user presets would be a big plus. So many times I would have liked to use an effect chain I used on another patch... Just an idea for a future update of the firmware...
There is a shortcut function to copy the full fx block. Just hold FX for a longer time. But I would also vote for fx user presets, so you don't have to save, switch sound, copy, switch sound, paste anymore. Maybe a "copy fx from" function which lets you select another patch. But I gave up hopes for additional features for the dm12.
Old 16th June 2018
  #16508
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....would like to know if there are more units coming in CANADA!!!!!!! or is it already over....
I'd suggest contacting our friends at Intellimix as they are our biggest distributor in Canada. Here's their contact information:

Intellimix
525 Morgan
Baie-D'Urfe, QC H9X 3T6
Canada
Phone: +1 514-457-9663
URL: Intellimix

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I don't know if the Behringer guys are still on this forum looking for ideas to improve the synth. I just wanted to say that the ability to save effects chains as user presets would be a big plus. So many times I would have liked to use an effect chain I used on another patch... Just an idea for a future update of the firmware...
We're definitely here and listening.

I'll pass your suggestion along to our development team for consideration in a future firmware update. Can't promise anything but there's no harm in checking to see if this is something they are interested in implementing on the DeepMind 12.

Thanks!

Michael Lapke
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Old 16th June 2018
  #16509
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Originally Posted by Michael Lapke View Post
I'd suggest contacting our friends at Intellimix as they are our biggest distributor in Canada. Here's their contact information:

Intellimix
525 Morgan
Baie-D'Urfe, QC H9X 3T6
Canada
Phone: +1 514-457-9663
URL: Intellimix



We're definitely here and listening.

I'll pass your suggestion along to our development team for consideration in a future firmware update. Can't promise anything but there's no harm in checking to see if this is something they are interested in implementing on the DeepMind 12.

Thanks!

Michael Lapke
Specialist, Community
MUSIC Tribe
BEHRINGER
Thank you!
Old 16th June 2018
  #16510
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There is a shortcut function to copy the full fx block. Just hold FX for a longer time. But I would also vote for fx user presets, so you don't have to save, switch sound, copy, switch sound, paste anymore. Maybe a "copy fx from" function which lets you select another patch. But I gave up hopes for additional features for the dm12.
+1 for user FX block presets.

Can you clarify how you copy an FX block to another patch as it is?

When I hold FX I keep getting 'FX Held' rather than copy. I've only managed to get that to appear once.

How do you then paste that to another patch?
Old 16th June 2018
  #16511
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+1 for user FX block presets.

Can you clarify how you copy an FX block to another patch as it is?

When I hold FX I keep getting 'FX Held' rather than copy. I've only managed to get that to appear once.

How do you then paste that to another patch?
I don’t remember the detailed procedure, but you can look it up in the manual.
Old 16th June 2018
  #16512
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I don’t remember the detailed procedure, but you can look it up in the manual.
Found it, thanks.

I had missed that function, I likee!
Old 16th June 2018
  #16513
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+1 for user FX block presets.

Can you clarify how you copy an FX block to another patch as it is?

When I hold FX I keep getting 'FX Held' rather than copy. I've only managed to get that to appear once.

How do you then paste that to another patch?
When on the Effects page, press and hold the Effects button until a popup appears. Then - while keeping the Effects button pressed - press the Global button to copy the effects chain.

Navigate to the destination program and go to the Effects page for that sound. Press and hold the Effects button and press Write to paste the effects chain to that location.
Old 24th June 2018
  #16514
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With all the used DM12 keyboards out there, it's strange that you basically need to pay more to get a desktop version, which I'll admit I'd still like to try out ...

(Went to the local corporate music-instrument retailer this week and no DM12 on display anymore ... The whole keyboard dept. was distressingly compressed and barren of synths/keyboards of note ... )

Last edited by Diametro; 24th June 2018 at 09:45 AM..
Old 24th June 2018
  #16515
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Originally Posted by Michael Lapke View Post
I'd suggest contacting our friends at Intellimix as they are our biggest distributor in Canada. Here's their contact information:

Intellimix
525 Morgan
Baie-D'Urfe, QC H9X 3T6
Canada
Phone: +1 514-457-9663
URL: Intellimix
...they did what all idiot canadian distrubutors do, apart inflating prices... ignore the email I sent thru their website.

I prefer buying in canada from a local dealer for warranty issues.

...but the only way I can get a DM12D is importing from the states.

on the other hand, the DSIs and novation peak are all available here.

I tough asking Mr B. here would help me get an answer...
Old 24th June 2018
  #16516
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With all the used DM12 keyboards out there, it's strange that you basically need to pay more to get a desktop version, which I'll admit I'd still like to try out ...

(Went to the local corporate music-instrument retailer this week and no DM12 on display anymore ... The whole keyboard dept. was distressingly compressed and barren of synths/keyboards of note ... )
I walked into my GC recently and though Id buy something, anything....went for a burrito instead.
Old 24th June 2018
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With all the used DM12 keyboards out there, it's strange that you basically need to pay more to get a desktop version, which I'll admit I'd still like to try out ...

(Went to the local corporate music-instrument retailer this week and no DM12 on display anymore ... The whole keyboard dept. was distressingly compressed and barren of synths/keyboards of note ... )

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I walked into my GC recently and though Id buy something, anything....went for a burrito instead.
I didnt' walk anywhere but looked at my current setup and came to the conclusion I don't need any more substractive based synths
Old 25th June 2018
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Maybe Behringer might consider implementing alternative tunings / microtuning on the DM series in a future OS update?
Old 25th June 2018
  #16519
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It is funny -i used to have a Juno 106 and ditched it because I didn’t care for the sound. The DeepMind is much more versatile, even before the effects engine. There are some sounds i wish I could get out of it, but i cannot seem to do so. However, it is a great to go with other synths.
More versatile, yes. Sadly though, if you compare the sound of its pulse width modulation, with pretty much any other analog, or even the software Juno 106 plugin, it sounds oddly flat and lifeless, don't you think? Drove me crazy that you had to really lean on the effects to get it to sound alive in a simple PWM sound.
Old 25th June 2018
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Did Behringer ever release a fix for the resonance where it would make the cutoff go really sharp above 70%?
Old 25th June 2018
  #16521
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Did Behringer ever release a fix for the resonance where it would make the cutoff go really sharp above 70%?
A fix? It self-resonates ... is there a level above that of which I am unaware? What do you mean by sharp? Maybe i am not clicking on the same wavelength?
Old 25th June 2018
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More versatile, yes. Sadly though, if you compare the sound of its pulse width modulation, with pretty much any other analog, or even the software Juno 106 plugin, it sounds oddly flat and lifeless, don't you think? Drove me crazy that you had to really lean on the effects to get it to sound alive in a simple PWM sound.
There's quite some alternative options currently, so maybe a Roland System-8 or DSI poly synth are more down your alley?
Best PWM sound I've ever heard came from a Roland System 100 and a Moog Sub37.
Old 25th June 2018
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There's quite some alternative options currently, so maybe a Roland System-8 or DSI poly synth are more down your alley?
Best PWM sound I've ever heard came from a Roland System 100 and a Moog Sub37.
I do love the PWM sound of my Prophet 6, that's true, but I'm not really talking about opinion, at least not in this case. I mean, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who owns another analog poly who likes the Deepmind's PWM more... or at all. Like no one would buy a Ford Fusion and say, "Oh man, that thing handles great." Not that the Fusion doesn't have other desirable characteristics, but handling isn't really what that car is about. In the case of an analog mono, I'm going to be harder on a synth, even at a low price point, because I'm expecting it to be better, or at least as good, as a plugin, and I don't even think the Deepmind's PWM was close to even the System 100 plugin. I mostly put it up against the 106 plugin, since it was marketed as being inspired by it. Even without the legendary chorus, the 106 software sounded really nice to me. Even though it's been 30 years since I owned a Juno 106, I did get that feeling. I could not get it out of the Deepmind. Of course, the Deepmind has a lot more functionality and variety of sound going for it, even before the effects processor. I'd have paid more for it if they put an "A" or "A+" synth engine before their A effects processor, but I felt it was more like a C+ (the plus was for the extra modulation options). Maybe they'll come out with a Deepermind synth in the future.
Old 25th June 2018
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A fix? It self-resonates ... is there a level above that of which I am unaware? What do you mean by sharp? Maybe i am not clicking on the same wavelength?
When you turn up the resonance the filter cutoff also rises. If you're trying to tune and track your filter (which I do all the time) it makes for a kind of sour sound. Try it, you'll hear it instantly. A lot of analogs do this a bit, but the Deepmind seems to do it a lot.
Old 25th June 2018
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When you turn up the resonance the filter cutoff also rises. If you're trying to tune and track your filter (which I do all the time) it makes for a kind of sour sound. Try it, you'll hear it instantly. A lot of analogs do this a bit, but the Deepmind seems to do it a lot.
why do you bother tho, since you posted this the other day.
Old 25th June 2018
  #16526
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When you turn up the resonance the filter cutoff also rises. If you're trying to tune and track your filter (which I do all the time) it makes for a kind of sour sound. Try it, you'll hear it instantly. A lot of analogs do this a bit, but the Deepmind seems to do it a lot.
Odd that you would describe that as an issue of how "sharp" the resonance is. I'm going to leave "sour" alone, as it's clear we speak different languages, lol.

Regarding "sharp" resonance, I've often though that it would be useful for some manufacturer to include a "Q" control for resonance, similar how that is implemented in parametric EQs.
Old 26th June 2018
  #16527
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...they did what all idiot canadian distrubutors do, apart inflating prices... ignore the email I sent thru their website.

I prefer buying in canada from a local dealer for warranty issues.

...but the only way I can get a DM12D is importing from the states.

on the other hand, the DSIs and novation peak are all available here.

I tough asking Mr B. here would help me get an answer...
Sorry to hear you've been having difficulty contacting our friends at Intellimix. As mentioned they are our distributor in Canada and I've found them to be fairly responsive when I've needed to contact them directly. I'm confident their lack of communication isn't intentional, so perhaps you could try this email address or their toll free number and see if that helps:

Phone: +1 8886194969
Email: [email protected]

Any retail stores in Canada that are carrying BEHRINGER product would have to get it direct through Intellimix, hence the suggestion. They can point you to the closest place near you to obtain our gear.

That said, I also found this dealer Sound Distrobution on Amazon. They are located in QC and have a DeepMind 12D for sale. Hope it helps get a DeepMind 12D in your hands.

If you need any additional assistance then please send me a PM here in the forum and I'll be happy to help in any way I can.

Michael Lapke
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MUSIC Tribe
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Old 26th June 2018
  #16528
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Odd that you would describe that as an issue of how "sharp" the resonance is. I'm going to leave "sour" alone, as it's clear we speak different languages, lol.

Regarding "sharp" resonance, I've often though that it would be useful for some manufacturer to include a "Q" control for resonance, similar how that is implemented in parametric EQs.
I mean “sharp” as in “off pitch in a higher direction.” The opposite of “flat.” The resonance is kind of harsh and screaming, but I’m talking about cutoff, not Q.
Old 26th June 2018
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why do you bother tho, since you posted this the other day.
Free speech.

Old 26th June 2018
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Pretty sure that's what I've been hearing with the filter since my first encounter with DM12 (and hear in various demos) ...

I'd like a high-voice analog poly in a desktop format at a nice price (DM12 desktop) but the "filter thing" really makes me pause as to whether I could work around it ... That's why I was hoping to check out DM12 one more time to see if I could come to terms with that filter behavior; none of my other synths have such an unpleasantly nasty side to the filter ...

Which isn't to say I don't hear very nice things coming out of DM12 demos ... But it really concerns me that every time I sweep the filter my ears are going to be stepping in toxic doo doo ...

I'm really wondering if a DM12 mkii or some other re-worked version is on the horizon ...
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