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Any one mixing with a subpac?
Old 22nd August 2014
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Any one mixing with a subpac?

Anyone have any experience mixing using a subpac? I have a friend that just got one and he swears by it but I'm not near enough to go check his out. I'm curious if the bass actually translates to a club system the way you would think it does.
Old 22nd August 2014
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Cevin Key just posted this on Facebook...

Old 22nd August 2014
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I found about 4 videos.... Not much info but I guess if it's good enough for skinny puppy it's good enough for me. Wonder if that's a paid endorsement tho?
Old 22nd August 2014
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I doubt it - I get the impression it's genuine enthusiasm...I know a few guys that have tried them and raved about how well it works.
Old 23rd August 2014
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I'm on the fence. I don't trust paid endorsements. I want to hear from someone who has first hand experience and is not a shill. Very interested in this product
Old 23rd August 2014
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I'm on the fence. I don't trust paid endorsements. I want to hear from someone who has first hand experience and is not a shill. Very interested in this product
Well, forgetting all the laptop warriors on the supporter list, Adrian Sherwood saying it is the most useful studio tool he has come across in many years holds some weight for me.......must try one at some point.
Old 23rd August 2014
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Well, forgetting all the laptop warriors on the supporter list, Adrian Sherwood saying it is the most useful studio tool he has come across in many years holds some weight for me.......must try one at some point.

Hum... interesting, but it really is one of those things you need to try for yourself, what use is a youtube video!



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Old 23rd August 2014
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I think the only paid aspect was the developer let a bunch of people try it out...I saw Eskmo posting his lust for it after trying one out over a year ago.

It appears to be completely legit.
Old 15th November 2014
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I got a SubPac S1 yesterday. (Limited edition grey one)



It gives the impression of some pretty incredible sub bass. Easily on par with what you would feel in a club or on a quality big system playing loud.

It's a very unique experience when using it with headphones as usually the only time we feel similar levels of sub is in big rooms with big systems which of course include the rooms sounds/reverb, so being able to hear music with the fidelity of headphones, no room sounds/reverb, and gut shaking sub bass is very novel.

Being able to feel the shape of your bottom end certainly helps when mixing, and makes it all the easier to tell how the bottom end of your track will transfer to the likes of big and club systems.

I've been using it for a day now, and I don't foresee a time when I won't want to be using it, either when listening or producing/mixing. It doesn't take long to just feel a combined part of the experience rather than just having some vibrating plate behind you.

A bonus is that it's actually quite comfy! It improves my posture. I like it how you can adjust the level of how much you feel just by putting more or less pressure on it with your posture, or even just sitting forward to almost eliminate it when you want to reference without it.

My only real criticism is that the intensity knob that is on it doesn't go down low enough IMO. I have it on the very lowest setting, and I felt that was still too much, so I had to reduce the output of my source by 5db. Thankfully my headphones run from a different output connected to a headphone amp, so I was able to turn that up 5db to get my headphones back to the level I like. This could well be an issue for many people who only have one output.

A minor criticism is that it's advertised as shipping with a "1m professional cable with 3.5mm Jacks", and on an unboxing video i'd watched it did indeed come with what appeared to be a quality cable. Mine didn't. It was just a very cheap cable. I've had to buy one, but that's OK as I actually wanted a 2m one anyway and have it jack to mini jack so I don't need to use an adapter.
Old 19th November 2014
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I see the SubPac S2 has just been announced.



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Product Overview

The Ultimate Seated Tactile Bass Solution

SUBPAC S2

Accurate, immersive, and portable – the SubPac S2 is the latest addition to our line of revolutionary tactile audio systems that have quickly become essential tools for music production and enjoyment from the top studios in LA and London, to basement apartments and bedrooms worldwide. Not just for musicians and producers, the SubPac adds real depth, connection and enjoyment to whatever you play through it – when experienced with the SubPac your tracks, games and movies all come to life with the added dimension of physical bass. Imagine standing in front of a beautifully tuned club system and feeling the bass – this is the experience the SubPac delivers, all without any external noise.

Building on the success of the original SubPac S1, our engineering team has taken a radical approach in redesigning the S2. Featuring an all-new ergonomic design with a flexible strapping solution for your chair, improved materials inside and out, newly optimized tactile transducers, improved battery life and the addition of Bluetooth 4.0 A2DP streaming for casual listening, the SubPac S2 is the most powerful and accurate seated tactile bass solution on the planet. Feeling is believing!
Features

New & Improved Features In the S2 Include:
• New materials and design for enhanced vibratory field
• Optimized tactile transducers for improved accuracy and power efficiency
• New 3-point, removable strapping system to maintain optimal placement on your chair
• New ergonomic shape for maximum contact and longer sessions
• Slimmer control box with multi-positional straps to secure it to your chair
• Flexible control cable for greater ease of placement
• Bluetooth 4.0 input with A2DP streaming
• Higher capacity Li-Ion rechargeable battery – now runs up to 8hrs per charge

Specifications:
• 5Hz – 130Hz Frequency Response
• 3.5mm Stereo Wired Line Input Port
• Bluetooth 4.0, with A2DP Streaming, Wireless Input
• 3.5mm Stereo Headphone Out Port
• Rechargeable Battery: 10.8V, 2300mAh 3-cell Li-ion battery (up to 8 hrs use)
• Charger: 15V 1.6A 24W adapter with international IEC-C7 cables
• Dimensions: 430mm x 305mm x 40mm
• Weight (including battery): 2.3kg
Just as I bought an S1!

Ah well, I actually like the S1 that much I might pick up the S2 and sell the S1 at some point down the road. It could well be months until the S2 starts shipping anyway.

There isn't a huge amount that is new that if of that much interest to me though, other than:

• New materials and design for enhanced vibratory field
• Optimized tactile transducers for improved accuracy

I already find the S1 very comfortable so the new shape isn't a big deal for me.

We'll see.
Old 19th November 2014
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Pity they didn't take the chance and add a delay parameter, for working with nearfields......

Do you use yours with speakers, and if so, does it feel wrong or make it annoying because of it being out of time/phase with the speakers?
Old 19th November 2014
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Pity they didn't take the chance and add a delay parameter, for working with nearfields......

Do you use yours with speakers, and if so, does it feel wrong or make it annoying because of it being out of time/phase with the speakers?
I'm not noticing any delay between what I hear and what I feel in the Subpac unless there IS actual delay. You notice it in particular with sub harmonic bass synths - The 'bloom' of the sub comes in a few ms after the initial impact is really annoying, but it highlights for me that they sub synths have really limited use.

The only things I don't like about the Subpac are:
  • The wires really do get in the way
  • The little control box finds itself falling out of the strap a lot
  • It falls off my Aeron chair onto the concrete floor WAY too often
  • I really don't like their tacky 'special edition' Subpacs with 'cool' bass artists names on them, especially since you KNOW those artists will have gone bye bye in the next couple of years.

Design flaws aside, it's a good piece of kit.
Old 19th November 2014
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I got a SubPac S1 yesterday. (Limited edition grey one)




My only real criticism is that the intensity knob that is on it doesn't go down low enough IMO. I have it on the very lowest setting, and I felt that was still too much, so I had to reduce the output of my source by 5db. Thankfully my headphones run from a different output connected to a headphone amp, so I was able to turn that up 5db to get my headphones back to the level I like. This could well be an issue for many people who only have one output.
Could yours be faulty? My intensity knob goes all the way down to completely off. I get my headphones to a nice pleasant volume, then I bring the intensity knob up from no bass to a good level which blends naturally with what I'm hearing.
Old 19th November 2014
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Pity they didn't take the chance and add a delay parameter, for working with nearfields......

Do you use yours with speakers, and if so, does it feel wrong or make it annoying because of it being out of time/phase with the speakers?
I've not used mine with my monitors yet. Just headphones. I'll try it sometime.
Old 19th November 2014
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I'm not noticing any delay between what I hear and what I feel in the Subpac unless there IS actual delay. You notice it in particular with sub harmonic bass synths - The 'bloom' of the sub comes in a few ms after the initial impact is really annoying, but it highlights for me that they sub synths have really limited use.

The only things I don't like about the Subpac are:
  • The wires really do get in the way
  • The little control box finds itself falling out of the strap a lot
  • It falls off my Aeron chair onto the concrete floor WAY too often
  • I really don't like their tacky 'special edition' Subpacs with 'cool' bass artists names on them, especially since you KNOW those artists will have gone bye bye in the next couple of years.

Design flaws aside, it's a good piece of kit.
The wires are fine for me, as they are all on my right, which is a side of the chair I never exit due to my setup. Likewise with the box, it's wire just runs behind the SubPac so it's on the right so it can't go anywhere.

I appreciate this is totally dependent on one's setup.

btw I don't think Flying Lotus is going anywhere, but yeah, i'm not into the artist branded ones.
Old 19th November 2014
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Could yours be faulty? My intensity knob goes all the way down to completely off. I get my headphones to a nice pleasant volume, then I bring the intensity knob up from no bass to a good level which blends naturally with what I'm hearing.
Mine goes all the way down to off as well, but there is a significant jump between off and the lowest level if it's a loud signal. It's been fine though as I mix at lower levels anyway so it's usually just right.

Loud masters can be a little bit too much, but I can always just adjust my output volumes to compensate.
Old 19th November 2014
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I'm not noticing any delay between what I hear and what I feel in the Subpac unless there IS actual delay. You notice it in particular with sub harmonic bass synths - The 'bloom' of the sub comes in a few ms after the initial impact is really annoying, but it highlights for me that they sub synths have really limited use.

The only things I don't like about the Subpac are:
  • The wires really do get in the way
  • The little control box finds itself falling out of the strap a lot
  • It falls off my Aeron chair onto the concrete floor WAY too often
  • I really don't like their tacky 'special edition' Subpacs with 'cool' bass artists names on them, especially since you KNOW those artists will have gone bye bye in the next couple of years.

Design flaws aside, it's a good piece of kit.
I think you misunderstand what I mean. I am tlking about the delay created by the sound taking a couple of ms to get to you with speakers, whereas the subpac is instant. So then used with speakers the two would be out of phase.

Do you use it with speakers? I was considering getting one and routing it through a delay unit, but it would be so much smoother if they would just put a very simple one in there......looks like that bus was missed.
Old 19th November 2014
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Hum... still very interested in this, would love to try one.
Old 19th November 2014
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I think you misunderstand what I mean. I am tlking about the delay created by the sound taking a couple of ms to get to you with speakers, whereas the subpac is instant. So then used with speakers the two would be out of phase.

Do you use it with speakers? I was considering getting one and routing it through a delay unit, but it would be so much smoother if they would just put a very simple one in there......looks like that bus was missed.
Got ya. I can't say I've noticed any phase delay. Things seem to hit just as they would in a murky dub hall. The only disconnect is when the volume and the vibration aren't gelling together, or somebody has done a hacky production job and the sub layer isn't in alignment with the upper bass.

I'm using it both with my monitors and various headphones.

Speaking of 'bus' and 'missing it', I suppose you could feed your mix bus into another bus and pop a delay on that, then route that bus to another output on your audio i/o if you weren't feeling things hit as you'd like.

Maybe the bluetooth version will automatically add delay?
Old 29th November 2014
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theres no guarantee that a perfect room + subs , bass will translate perfectly with or without it, like everything else one has to become accustomed and learn its subtleties. But with this i nail low end "much quicker" with less stressing and fun, mind you that once i get bass where i want it i don't always have it on after as it has a tendency to relax you into deep meditation . Ive been using it for close to a year and so far so good. Im also an affiliate , if you'd like a discount or have a question just PM me. Its a game changer 4 sure! If they weren't sure about its success being the small startup company they are they wouldn't offer 30 day full money back warranty. The whole bit about phase adjustment, idk, subs present many more problems especially when its all freq depended anyway. Theres so much for all those room wizards and arcs, minimizing can surely be done as said above via a separate out if you must. I also find sending it a mono summed mix works better then stereo.
Old 2nd December 2014
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good to know maks, I've ordered the new S2 so looking forward to getting this next year. What i want to know is how is it for finding unwanted frequencies.
Old 2nd December 2014
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Had my one for a couple of months now ... My room is more less square, even with bass traps unless I am tucked up in the corner 80hz and below are very problematic for me.
This thing has totally solved my sub problems!!! tuning Sub bass is now a breeze, which in turn means my overall mix a lot cleaner no more low energy rumbling, which in turn means my mixes are louder, I'm amazed when I listen back to the old mixes how inaccurate the sub frequencies are!
If you have a less than perfect mixing environment this thing can really make a difference
I dare say there are acoustic geeks out there that can point out issues.... But whatever they are they can't be any worse than mixing in a square room
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good to know maks, I've ordered the new S2 so looking forward to getting this next year. What i want to know is how is it for finding unwanted frequencies.
It's good at it. It helps you sculpt your low end better.
Old 2nd December 2014
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It's a dream for sidechaining
Old 2nd December 2014
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how does this work on stage? I need accurately timed bass, and often monitoring bass is lacking.
also curious how this translates pitch from individual bass notes. can you hear/feel pitch changes accurately?
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how does this work on stage? I need accurately timed bass, and often monitoring bass is lacking.
You'd need the M1 for using it on stage. (The one you wear, the S1/2 just sits on your chair)

It will give you accurately timed bass so perfect for monitoring bass timing in live environments.

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also curious how this translates pitch from individual bass notes. can you hear/feel pitch changes accurately?
You can't really hear anything from it. It's all about the vibrations. The higher the pitch the less it will vibrate, but i'd always be using my ears for accurate monitoring of pitch rather than trying to access it from sub-harmonic vibrations.
Old 2nd December 2014
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how does this work on stage? I need accurately timed bass, and often monitoring bass is lacking.
also curious how this translates pitch from individual bass notes. can you hear/feel pitch changes accurately?
haven't used it on stage yet. with individual notes though, you can clearly make out volume, instruments(pitch range), phase e.g. low bass behind a thump of a kick or multiple bass lines and pad, if they clash youll know immediately, not much guess work really after a reference based initiation process. Its dimensional just like sitting on a sub, and satisfies that urge for vol knob to 11 without having to actually do so Its a dream come true for those prefering to mix around the 85spl range.
Old 2nd December 2014
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Sooner or later one of these things is gonna show up in a porn movie.

Just sayin'.
Old 2nd December 2014
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Sooner or later one of these things is gonna show up in a porn movie.

Just sayin'.
most mediocre music is already that so why not
Old 2nd December 2014
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does certain frequencies hit at certain areas of the subpac, so for low bass around 40hz is that the bottom area of the subpac or is it the whole area?

I've always wondered about this.
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