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mike vee
Never a bigger bunch of BS has been spoken on this forum.
You should try reading your own posts. They're often doosies!
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mike vee
First of all, the last Roland rack rompler came out like 12 years ago so I doubt you have any worry of an "Integra 8" anytime soon.
Yeah, I guess it seems like it wasn't that long ago... how times flies. Maybe I'm confused because when they did release a new one, they loaded it up with all their old content. Yeah, I know it has new stuff too, and trust me it sounds good but... well a large portion of it is rehashed. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that, I do like the old sounds, but nothing I've heard from the Integra 7 makes me feel it's 12 years more advanced than the XV-5080.
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Second, software is worthless IMMEDIATELY, how that for value?
FALSE. Secondary market price and value are two different things. If you get good use out of your software than you extract value from it. If you're looking for B.S. statements, this is as good as it gets. Do not think that the Integra 7 isn't a computer, keyboard, DAC and software.
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Third, if you can build a computer with DAW, midi controller and sample tank that will run 16 tracks OF sample tank with zero latency at 24/96 (as the Integra does) well GOOD LUCK! It's such a lame comparison anyway - the dude already has a computer...so who cares about this dumb ass scenario? Also, again, you wanna talk value? A computer is worthless as soon as you build it unless it's a Mac since the fanbois will buy anything Mac even used - so I'd assume Macs have a decent resale value. But, wow! He didn't say hes looking SELL anything did he? He's looking to MAKE MUSIC.
I brought that up merely as an example. Again, secondary market and value are two different things that you seem to be confusing. I paid about $2K for an eight core G5 Powermac back in the day and only recently retired it and I'll tell you that G5 wasn't far off from modern computers. It's only crime was using a processor that was no longer supported by modern software. So, while it was worth hardly anything in the used computer market, the fact that I did a lot of good work on it up until about a year ago made it very valuable to me.
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Anyway, anyone knows that a dedicated PC library CAN be better than any hardware rompler simply because of the sheer file size that is possible. but anyone also knows that you can have issues running that many tracks on a computer with 40 GB samples loaded up. You would need a TOP 6 core xeon computer with 64GB of RAM costing closer to 4K with all SSDs and all that to properly reproduce with the Integra does - and even then you cannot because you still wouldnt have access to the XV-5080 and all of it's cards. Also, getting all the best sample libraries for a computer will cost you a ton - and again be completely worthless once you buy them.
Worthless, but not valueless. Again, you might want to look up those words in the dictionary. My cat, the late Mewberta, cost me a few grand the last week of her life in medical bills. Of course, there was a few dozen cats in a shelter a couple of miles away that I could have walked out the door with for nothing. In fact, I did get a stray kitten for nothing (some people actually paid to have her neutered and never returned for her) after Mewberta died. I'd probably do the same thing for the new cat. They are without monetary worth, but very valuable.
I'll also say that unless you're doing heavy duty orchestral scoring, I couldn't imagine running 40 gigs of samples at one time. Also, if you took the time to read the original post, the OP is already considering a software solution so he's obviously fine with it. A smart producer will use RAM where it does most good, ie, you're obviously going to want a large instrument with lots of articulations if it's a featured solo instrument, but if you've got basic string swells going on in the background, those can be a lot smaller. It's not like you're going to load up a full violin sample based instrument for each instance of a violin in your virtual orchestra.
That said, the hardware ROMplers we're talking about do really well with little resources. A big part of it is great sound design and high quality effects. I sold my XV-5050 when I put it up against software ROMplers but I disabled their internal effects and used high quality VSTs instead. The difference was amazing. Even the lowly Dimension Pro comes alive when you run it through high quality software effects. Try it some time.
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I just got the Integra and I promise it will blow you away. The fact that you can get it 500 below retail (USED) is even better! I got mine new for 1640.
Plus, this is GEARSLUTZ - the piece is sexy! "Good morning, baby"
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Oh, I've listened to a ton of Integra 7 examples and I've yet to be blown away. Is it good? Yes. No doubt. If money was no object there's no doubt I'd pick one up. The thing, for me, is that when I use "real" acoustic instruments, they're usually guitars and bass guitars and I play them. So I don't have a huge need for realistic acoustic instruments that seem to be the focus of the "Supernatural" sounds. Kontakt more than takes care of what I need. For synth sounds I usually use actual analogs for those types of sounds, and software synths for FM, Wavetable, Physical Modeling, Resynthesis, Additive and other types of digital synthesis.
So... that's why I don't own an Integra 7 and probably never will. If I were playing live again, yes, I'd most likely get one because I do value having a large selection of sound that loads up instantly in a roadworthy case. That's not what the OP is asking for though. He stated he's looking for
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"the best option as far as Module Romplers go."
Is that the Integra 7? I'm not even sure. Maybe it's the Kronos. I haven't done enough comparison shopping to tell. I had a friend who used to hate the Roland ROMplers, so part of it is a matter of personal taste.
...and finally, he's comparing it to Sampletank 3, which IMO isn't the best of it's kind. So he's fine with using software, I'm just suggesting that if he's going to put the Integra 7 up against a software solution, first research what the best software solution is.