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Waldorf Streichfett Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 9th March 2014
  #181
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I don't care whethere it's an analog or digital. If it sounds good, I'm getting one! I lack a unit that makes decent strings (well I have the Ambika, but I'd hate to tie it down to string duties), for 200€ it's a no brainer.

And it's not just GAS, I need synth strings.
Old 9th March 2014
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I own GForce's great VSM, and I will definitely check this unit out.. For the price point, and with the the technology of divide down and size factor they are showing , it seems like it would have to be digital osc's with maybe analog BBD chorus/ensemble.. but whatever, … It seems Waldorf are committed to giving us what we want, and for that I am appreciative…
Old 9th March 2014
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Because the architecture of most string machines is fairly simple, it should in theory be straightforward to create a sample-based instrument that captures the essence of most of the classic units.
The problem with sampling string machines is that you end up sampling the ensemble. This is fine when you need to play just one note at a time. But play more than one note and you'll get to hear the ensemble multiple times rather than a single ensemble applied to all the notes played. You get the same problem from some organ sample sets with Leslie speaker effects. Each note has its own Leslie speaker cabinet. Imagine that!

So a good sample based soft string synth will need to record the string synth raw (it's very rarely just a simple sawtooth) with no ensemble and then apply a single ensemble effect to the output.

The problem is that I have yet to hear a virtual ensemble effect as good as the real thing. And, also, each string machine's ensemble is different from another. Even those with the same circuit topology.

Tony
Old 9th March 2014
  #184
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The problem with sampling string machines is that you end up sampling the ensemble. This is fine when you need to play just one note at a time. But play more than one note and you'll get to hear the ensemble multiple times rather than a single ensemble applied to all the notes played. You get the same problem from some organ sample sets with Leslie speaker effects. Each note has its own Leslie speaker cabinet. Imagine that!

So a good sample based soft string synth will need to record the string synth raw (it's very rarely just a simple sawtooth) with no ensemble and then apply a single ensemble effect to the output.

The problem is that I have yet to hear a virtual ensemble effect as good as the real thing. And, also, each string machine's ensemble is different from another. Even those with the same circuit topology.

Tony
I actually find that sampling with the ensemble/chorus effect enabled usually results in an even bigger, more lush sound. When each note has its own slightly different chorus rate, you get this huge wash of sound when playing chords. It's like a "multi-voice" chorus on steroids. The only time this can be a problem is when the LFO "warble" is really pronounced/obvious resulting in a jumble of rhythms as more than one note is held down.

But I haven't tried sampling a string machine with the chorus effect enable. Maybe that many separate ensemble effects stacked on top of one another (when playing chords) will be too much.
Old 9th March 2014
  #185
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This looks really interesting. I love the sound of the old stringmachines, and bought a Roland RS-09 last year, which have a really great string, and ensemble sound.

But it is a basic stringer, and doesn't have any bass/solo section, and only two string registres.

It tells it all that my two most wanted synths are the Roland Jupiter 4 and Roland RS-505. But they are expensive and really old, and I can't justify spending the money on them, and the repair that will come.

The Waldorf Streichfett is an instant buy, I have no doubt that it will sound fantastic. I also have the Rocket, and I really love the sound, and handling of that little synth.
Old 9th March 2014
  #186
I think the point of this is it may not sound like classic strong synths but a cool modern waldorf string 'style' take on that...but we'll have to see when the demos come online...
Old 9th March 2014
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We'll it,s kinda like going into a bar and asking people if they have drinking problems, some of them will get pissed off, especially if you are in the bar too .... drinking.
bwaahahaha you hit the nail on the head





so, still no word if the ensemble effect is analog (god forbid), or entire machine is digital??
Old 9th March 2014
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they know allot of people just like buying gear more than they like creating music with it.
But the great thing is that these people feed the second-hand market (after they get bored with their latest toy and sell it to buy the next one) so that real musicians like yourself can get all the gear you need at low second-hand prices!
Old 9th March 2014
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Do you think the USB out of my Blofeld would power one of these new Waldorf stringers? Everything I do is live off the floor, I have no computer in the garage at the moment where my synths are. But I guess they sell a AC to USB power supply as well? I used to have an ARP Solina (until it blew up back in 83') I still miss it and it pretty well would be tough to buy at a reasonable price so this Waldorf string machine might be the ticket to compliment my two Jx-3Ps and Blofeld, and hey maybe I'll get the JX-8P fixed so it will actually work for more than 2 weeks in a row!
Old 9th March 2014
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But the great thing is that these people feed the second-hand market (after they get bored with their latest toy and sell it to buy the next one) so that real musicians like yourself can get all the gear you need at low second-hand prices!
TRUTH!
Old 9th March 2014
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Do you think the USB out of my Blofeld would power one of these new Waldorf stringers? Everything I do is live off the floor, I have no computer in the garage at the moment where my synths are. But I guess they sell a AC to USB power supply as well?
The USB power supply will come in the box, like it does on the Rocket.
Old 9th March 2014
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Do you think the USB out of my Blofeld would power one of these new Waldorf stringers?
No
The USB on the Blof is USB in so to speak (USB client), not an USB host
You'd need a powered USB hub for instance

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But I guess they sell a AC to USB power supply as well?
Most likely
Old 9th March 2014
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They probably have hardware and software and tens if not hundreds of string sounds. The point is this...
"Stringers" have a certain sound.. Something my other synths simply can't do.

I miss my Crumar Orchestrator and Roland RS-505. Mostly got rid of them for space reasons.. this product perfectly solves that.
Old 10th March 2014
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Thanks, I wouldn't have known that as I do not have a Rocket. My Blofeld is my only synth that has a USB port on it.


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The USB power supply will come in the box, like it does on the Rocket.
Old 10th March 2014
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Maybe that many separate ensemble effects stacked on top of one another (when playing chords) will be too much.
Yes, I find this the case. It's quite nice with simple lines, with just one or two notes played. But it just gets too swamped when you play closely spaced chords.

Tony
Old 10th March 2014
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Sexy new instrument!
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Old 10th March 2014
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When will this be released?
Old 10th March 2014
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Don't poke the bear unless you are prepared to get your ass chewed off. LOL. In my experience, many people on this forum get flustered and defensive if you ask any question that requires a bit of self reflection.
The issue is that your criticism isn't very self-aware, nor are you particularly good at realizing the flaws in your perspective without getting crankypants in return. Learn some nuance and persons will get less annoyed with your stunning insights.
Old 12th March 2014
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Any audio demo's from the messe yet? Comeon Nick Batt, don't make us wait!
Old 12th March 2014
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Love it. I wanted old-school string machine, but they take too much space.
Old 12th March 2014
  #201
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interesting, it does sound very saturated at times.
Old 12th March 2014
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This one sounds awesome. I personally can care less if it is very close or just close to the vintage string machines. I wish they would put it into a more sturdy package, but hey, it is small and should fit my studio just fine.
Old 12th March 2014
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He said it use digital divide down...sold
Old 12th March 2014
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Sounds awesome <3
Old 12th March 2014
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interesting, it does sound very saturated at times.
I think that might just be camera mic clipping.
Old 12th March 2014
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I hope so, it does look very promising
Old 12th March 2014
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I love how the Waldorf guy in the video is like "Oh yea, we kept listening to it, and it sounded like soft porn music"
Old 12th March 2014
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I will definately have to hear this.

This is a classic sound, if you like Jarre, Tangerine Dream, or keyboard players like Tony Banks. Thing is my Matrix 6 through a good FX box can do brilliant string machine, as can my JX8P - as can in fact any late dual osc analog poly with good mod options can.

So, normally I am not to fussy about whats in a box, but if it can't beat what I can already do - i.e REALLY nail a string ensemble beyond using analog synths then I dont see the point, except having it in a separate box of course.
Old 12th March 2014
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Something like the Elkorus can probably turn most synths into a stringer:



If I didn't have a stringer already, I don't know if I'd choose the digital Streichfett or an analog efx device to add to the efx chain, but the compactness and immediate ease of use of the Strechfett module is a plus.

Maybe they should do a Mellotron too, the only digital ones available are pretty spency.
Old 12th March 2014
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Oakley's chorus project looks and sounds great too:





Oakley SE330 - Stereo Ensemble Module

The lack of any chorus tweaking on the Waldorf seems a bit limiting.
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