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Valhalla room or Valhalla vintage verb for house?
Old 31st January 2014
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Valhalla room or Valhalla vintage verb for house?

Hello

I fancy trying a new reverb this weekend of the Valhalla kind. To be used for deepish house music made with analogue drum machines and analogue synths...oh hang on wrong thread..

Anyway, what would be your recommendation between the Valhalla room and vintage plugins please for house stuff?

Cheers for thoughts
Old 31st January 2014
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edit: and UberMod
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Which one for drums?
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I prefer Valhalla Vintage for most things. Room is a little more tailored for realistic sounding reverb, which isn't normally what you want when making electronic music.

You can download demos for all the Valhalla stuff so see what you think yourself.
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Vintage will get you more flavours. You can do ultra clean or grainy down-sampled stuff with it - '70s, '80s, now. Vintage often sits in a mix better.
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Both. They're cheap enough and more than worth it
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I like Room. It is pretty clean but it can add a nice airy sheen to things. The ambiences alone are worth the price of admission, they'll put your drums right in the room with you!
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I like Room. It is pretty clean but it can add a nice airy sheen to things. The ambiences alone are worth the price of admission, they'll put your drums right in the room with you!


Now you're talking!
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I own both and Room hasn't made its way on to any track since I got Vintage.
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I like Room. It is pretty clean but it can add a nice airy sheen to things. The ambiences alone are worth the price of admission, they'll put your drums right in the room with you!
I agree. The room settings are really nice for drums when used pretty subtly. Makes things just wet enough to stop them sounding like they're in a vacuum.
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Decision made.

I'll take a punt on Room. I have faith. Who needs demos?
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Vintage son, vintage….
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You mean Vintage for drums too?
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I prefer Vintage for everything except for small rooms for drums. But Vintage does the job just fine. I just think Room is a little better for that. Vintage all the way!
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Don't like Room because it has no low cut :-(
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Don't like Room because it has no low cut :-(
It's not good for workflow.
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Don't like Room because it has no low cut :-(
Yeah, it's a pain in the arse inserting an EQ after it and rolling off the bass, isn't it?

8 seconds of wasted time.

What does a really low setting of LowMult do?
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Thanks for the feedback, mainly vintage with a dash of room it is then.
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Both awesome! IMO Room is a bit more tweakable. Both very easy to dial in great sounding reverbs. I'm not really a fan of the downsampled sound so I stick to Room. Although, if I want a long decay, that sounds clear without much modulation, I seem to like Vintage for that. But if I had to pick one, Room. The chamber algo on drums is something I can't get anywhere near with any of the other software reverbs I have.

UberMod is kind of a must as well while we are on it. Has its own reverbs and the Dim2/8 chorus is on a buss in every track I do.
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Yeah, it's a pain in the arse inserting an EQ after it and rolling off the bass, isn't it?

8 seconds of wasted time.

What does a really low setting of LowMult do?
Yeah, I never use the reverb's filters. Valhalla is awesome and all, but how good are the filter's compared to your best EQ? I'll even use FilterFreak and overdrive it and LFO modulate it, which can create all kinds of good sounding goodness.
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Yeah, I never use the reverb's filters. Valhalla is awesome and all, but how good are the filter's compared to your best EQ?
Not very good. I speak from experience here.

When I was creating ValhallaRoom, I experimented with putting parametric EQs in there. I quickly figured out that I'm not that good at writing EQs. The low cut and high cut filters I use are pretty simple, and won't do much harm, but I always assume that people are going to run these plugins on a send, where they will have access to the EQs of their choice.
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I always assume that people are going to run these plugins on a send, where they will have access to the EQs of their choice.
...And that is a good assumption.
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A good developer thinks he knows everything. A great developer knows he does not.
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A good developer thinks he knows everything. A great developer knows he does not.
Yes indeed. Impressive.

I wonder if he knows how to do mono versions of these plugins...

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I wonder if he knows how to do mono versions of these plugins...
I wonder if he has an answer to my original question..

I've heard so many good things will probably buy both, my lexicon ones mess up my iMac (fully loaded) too much and cause all sorts of issues they shouldn't.
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Nice filters on the reverb is important if run it as insert and don't want to eq the whole signal. Im I right?
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I wonder if he has an answer to my original question..
IMHO, you're overthinking it by "wanting a reverb for house". The creators back in the day never thought to pick reverb "for house", they bought what they could afford. Analog? Digital? Doesn't matter - could they afford it?

Here's an idea: don't go over the limits that you'll find on cheaper old reverbs. That means that filtering is baked into the algo and it's a luxury if it's even there at all. Grainyness, but not the sewer tank on a 15-year old Behringer Virtualizer. Keep your verb decay lengths limited. Run everything through a send instead of inserting a different verb on everything. You want authenticity, it's the method. Ingredients come second.

VVV is by far my favorite. However, I've got terrible discipline and I can not resist loading "Homestar Bladerunner", setting the mix to 20%, and chasing the dragon with simple sounds that go on and on. That's deep. Just don't forget that there's also the rest of the track that needs to go somewhere.
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IMHO, you're overthinking it by "wanting a reverb for house".
Agree. I don't even know what I mean to be honest.
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Yes indeed. Impressive.

I wonder if he knows how to do mono versions of these plugins...

I know how to do mono reverb algorithms. But these aren't mono algorithms. They are stereo algorithms. It would be like running a stereo enhancer in mono. You could, but what's the point?
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I wonder if he has an answer to my original question..
I'm not really a house music guy, so I'm the wrong person to ask about this. VintageVerb has algorithms that are closer to what was used in electronic music productions of the 1980s and 1990s, if this helps with your decision.
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