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Is the Maxibrute on the way?
Old 23rd October 2013
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I really don't care that much about aftertouch.

But it's a glaring omission these days that the trend is to put important functions in computer software, and not on the machines themselves, like Envelope Legato Mode and LFO Key Retrigger.

They both have an enormous influence on the sound and playing, and there is no way to change them, if not connected to a computer.

Bad bad bad
And it's not only Arturia
Right ! Not only that but my brute is stuck on midi channel 2 & the velocity curve i chose when i first got it because the computer won't connect with it or it won't connect with the computer.
Why could we not have a binary switch or a selector pot for the midi channel & a simple 3 position switch for the velocity curve ! It defeats the analogue object & annoys me that just to throw two switches i have to connect it to a computer & even then it gives me grief.

Bad bad bad yes
Old 23rd October 2013
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Right ! Not only that but my brute is stuck on midi channel 2 & the velocity curve i chose when i first got it because the computer won't connect with it or it won't connect with the computer.
Why could we not have a binary switch or a selector pot for the midi channel & a simple 3 position switch for the velocity curve ! It defeats the analogue object & annoys me that just to throw two switches i have to connect it to a computer & even then it gives me grief.

Bad bad bad yes
Then imagine, in 20 years we are no longer able to change any of these functions anymore (good luck finding a compatible computer!).

Really a bad move by lots of todays hardware
Old 23rd October 2013
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I will get the MicroBrute anyway, but it's a shame that it's missing MIDI out !
it's very possible and I would say extremely likely that MIDI out will be an extremely easy mod just like on the Volcas and Monotribe.

I bet it's even labeled right on the PCB


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Old 23rd October 2013
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I'm sure there's a solution to the connectivity issue i have. After all, it's still the same pc that i set the synth with anyway but honestly, it's a pain to have to go through just to push two buttons & i have to feel like thinking about it before i bother to find the fix. The Arturia forum threw up NO answers so far.. Ha ! What's that forum for then ?

Other than that i love my minibrute & would be interested in a modification if it's possible....I think that's off topic enough.
Old 23rd October 2013
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I wonder what are those two little holes on the back (under the BR in the name, to the left of the Kensington lock slot)?
Could be key tracking or something. They're on the mini too. Slope & offset MAYBE.
Old 23rd October 2013
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Don't get me wrong, I have a minibrute and I love it... but getting this would be like having two girlfriends... good idea on paper....
Old 23rd October 2013
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Then imagine, in 20 years we are no longer able to change any of these functions anymore (good luck finding a compatible computer!).
Not condoning this, just stating the reality of the situation - but budget electronics are no longer built to last. Not much is in general, especially if it's on the cheaper end of the spectrum in its category.

Manufactures are not trying to future proof their stuff, especially for that far into the future. In fact, they'd love if you upgraded to their new version in just a few years. Arturia isn't that different than any one else producing synths in this price range.

Good luck finding any "budget" synthesizer that is built to last twenty or more years these days.

(And yes folks, we know your Moog Whatevers will last 500 years).
Old 23rd October 2013
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I'm sure there's a solution to the connectivity issue i have. After all, it's still the same pc that i set the synth with anyway but honestly, it's a pain to have to go through just to push two buttons & i have to feel like thinking about it before i bother to find the fix. The Arturia forum threw up NO answers so far.. Ha ! What's that forum for then ?

Other than that i love my minibrute & would be interested in a modification if it's possible....I think that's off topic enough.
It is off-topic but still relevant. Being able to switch MIDI channel from the Minibrute itself and also being able to switch local off are my two biggest wishes for this machine. I'd be willing to drill it for a couple extra pots in the name of future proofing!

In a few years there will be a "USB for Synths" thread to go with the "SCSI for Samplers" thread.
Old 23rd October 2013
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I do like the cv tracking, with pitch bend option, and it's cute, but the micro keys blow chunks, less sliders suck, and mod 'matrix' is far from, ('ever hear of attenuators!?), unless they supply stackables with the unit. I can definitely appreciate the direction Arturia has taken with it's analogue synths, but this is a bit of a let down. They should have done away with the keys altogether, kept the sliders, second envelope, and added way more modulation destinations. (ie. pan for the headphones, or cv control over different stages of the envelope). Just not sure the huge advantage, considering the original had as many, or more destination options for it's modulations, and more modulators built in.
Old 23rd October 2013
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So.....
All this (what seems to be) official info confirmed by Arturia. Why does the countdown continue? Does this mean that after all there's something additional up their sleeve?
Old 23rd October 2013
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They should have done away with the keys altogether, kept the sliders, second envelope, and added way more modulation destinations. (ie. pan for the headphones, or cv control over different stages of the envelope).
The modulation options they included are a cool perk for people that want to hook it up to other stuff, but not so involved that they're intimidating to people new to the game. It's not a desktop unit aimed squarely at the seasoned modular crowd. They're trying to sell a bunch of these to casual folks. What you suggested might be cool but it'd make much less money.

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Just not sure the huge advantage, considering the original had as many, or more destination options for it's modulations, and more modulators built in.
Then buy the original. You can get one secondhand for only $50-100 more than the Micro.
Old 23rd October 2013
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The USB port on the McB will not work like that.
Please explain why it will not work if the usb port is class compliant?

Quote from http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/tut_midicables.php
All recent computers are equipped with USB connectors and these are now the most common means of connecting MIDI devices to computers (using appropriate adapters). Adapters can be as simple as a short cable with USB on one end and MIDI DIN on the other, or as complex as a 19 inch rack mountable CPU with dozens of MIDI and Audio In and Out ports. The best part is that USB are "plug-and-play" interfaces which means they generally configure themselves. In most cases, all you need to do is plug in your USB MIDI interface and boot up some MIDI software and off you go.

Current USB technology generally only supports communication between a host (PC) and a device, so it is not possible to connect two USB devices to each other as it is with two MIDI DIN devices. (This may change sometime in the future with new versions of USB).

Since USB MIDI devices only communicate through the PC, two devices can use different schemes for packing up MIDI messages and sending them over USB, and each device's driver on the host will know how to unpack those message and convert them back to MIDI messages. That way all USB MIDI devices can talk to each other (through the host) even if they do not all use the same translation format. However, most devices actually follow the format specification for MIDI that was defined by the USB-IF; Windows and Mac PCs already come with "class compliant" drivers for devices that follow the USB-IF MIDI specification.

Will this not work? >>>>>> Kenton MIDI USB Host
Old 23rd October 2013
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So.....
All this (what seems to be) official info confirmed by Arturia. Why does the countdown continue? Does this mean that after all there's something additional up their sleeve?
I don't think there's anything else. Maybe they just aren't as good at keeping things under wraps as some bigger companies. The fuzzy image on the webpage looks like the Microbrute and saying something BIG is coming is just a clever lead in to the fact of how small it is (i.e. big sound/small package etc).
Old 23rd October 2013
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I'd be willing to drill it for a couple extra pots in the name of future proofing!
I've never looked into it but the idea is nice. Maybe one day, after some investigation. Digital micro switches, pots, whatever. Hold that thought.
Old 23rd October 2013
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Midi out and aftertouch would be very nice, and I'll gladly complain about the omission of both. Not because it's expected from a mini keys unit, but because the fact that it's not means it's time someone finally did it.
Of all the mini-keys I've played on, velocity range has always been something that has never felt right in action. Most mini-keys seem to have this weird, bouncy action to them due to how thin the keys are designed, so I can imagine aftertouch feeling just as weird. They would probably need to design an entirely new type of minikey to where playing with both aftertouch and velocity settings wouldn't feel so awkward. While that is nice in theory, it would probably push the cost up closer to the Minibrute.
Old 23rd October 2013
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Please explain why it will not work if the usb port is class compliant?

All recent computers are equipped with USB connectors and these are now the most common means of connecting MIDI devices to computers (using appropriate adapters). Adapters can be as simple as a short cable with USB on one end and MIDI DIN on the other, or as complex as a 19 inch rack mountable CPU with dozens of MIDI and Audio In and Out ports. The best part is that USB are "plug-and-play" interfaces which means they generally configure themselves. In most cases, all you need to do is plug in your USB MIDI interface and boot up some MIDI software and off you go.

Current USB technology generally only supports communication between a host (PC) and a device, so it is not possible to connect two USB devices to each other as it is with two MIDI DIN devices. (This may change sometime in the future with new versions of USB).

Since USB MIDI devices only communicate through the PC, two devices can use different schemes for packing up MIDI messages and sending them over USB, and each device's driver on the host will know how to unpack those message and convert them back to MIDI messages. That way all USB MIDI devices can talk to each other (through the host) even if they do not all use the same translation format. However, most devices actually follow the format specification for MIDI that was defined by the USB-IF; Windows and Mac PCs already come with "class compliant" drivers for devices that follow the USB-IF MIDI specification.

Will this not work? >>>>>> Kenton MIDI USB Host
I misinterpreted your original post as I thought you were talking about one of these cuz you said adapter.. as opposed to a USB to MIDI host box which would work.

I'm just gonna look for a DIY hack for midi out.
Old 23rd October 2013
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So.....
All this (what seems to be) official info confirmed by Arturia. Why does the countdown continue? Does this mean that after all there's something additional up their sleeve?
Once the countdown sequence is initiated nothing can stop it
Old 23rd October 2013
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Once the countdown sequence is initiated nothing can stop it
doomsday machine?

Old 23rd October 2013
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Yes, like the Kenton Midi USB Host:
Kenton Midi USB Host - Thomann UK

But it's relative expensive, €91, and needs power.
It starts to get messy, if all I wanted was to connect the MicroBrute to my Eowave Domino, away from the desk (and the f...... computer!).

I will get the MicroBrute anyway, but it's a shame that it's missing MIDI out !
Expensive yes but if someone wants to do it then at least the option is available
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So.....
All this (what seems to be) official info confirmed by Arturia. Why does the countdown continue? Does this mean that after all there's something additional up their sleeve?

This info was accidentally leaked and then grabbed by me from a musical website, not Arturia (this info has now been withdrawn from same website)

Info is not official and not confirmed by Arturia that's why the clock is still ticking

I hope that there is a maxibrute/megabrute hidden somewhere!!

Old 23rd October 2013
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I hope that there is a maxibrute/megabrute hidden somewhere!!
Highly unlikely.

Within every cynic is a disappointed optimist. I would really like to be wrong this time...
Old 23rd October 2013
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Click on the Arturia logo at the bottom of the teasing page or watch this :



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bO07ge3hzo
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Click on the Arturia logo at the bottom of the teasing page or watch this :



Microbrute Introduction - YouTube
Old 23rd October 2013
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Well she's playing it on a train -- so battery powered?
Old 23rd October 2013
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Not necessarly, trains commonly have electrical sockets, at least here in Europe.
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I don't think so. It looks like there is a power cord at 1:18 on her leg.
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Would really like a desktop version of the microbrute without keys. Can use minibrute keys and microbrute as 2nd osc/ sound module.

Wonder if Arturia would be kind enough to accommodate users if enough people requested a rackmount or desktop version of the microbrute?
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I don't think so. It looks like there is a power cord at 1:18 on her leg.
Looks like a wall wart to the right of her leg
Old 23rd October 2013
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Originally posted by user CLDBRK in the other thread.



Can we get these threads merged or what?
Old 23rd October 2013
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Well that would require to produce new molds for the casing, which doesn't come cheap and it would divide the potential userbase on two products, which would in the end increase the part of fixed costs and therefore the final price of each model. I can understand the request but economically it wouldn't make sense for Arturia. Maybe after they've sold metric tons of the McB they might consider it...
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