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Old 7th August 2019
  #1501
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Originally Posted by usedtohaveajuno View Post
Is the Mk2 a lesser machine? My pusher (sold me the 909 and JP6) has just put a fully serviced one up for sale and I must say I'd love to have one in my studio!
The mk II is identical in all ways except the case. Totally worth is cos it sounds BAM and CeeerACK and will hurt soft people with righteous BOOM. Not a lot of people understand that a lot of the classic sound is putting synths and stuff into 12 bit samplers - just make a whole tune in a MPC60 and you'll see (hear).
Bonus: Blue screens are much more common for the mk II

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Originally Posted by Mach1na View Post
Talking about OLD Akai. I hate how they changed their logo to that completely generic "modern" wack one they've been using for quite many years now.

How iconic was the classic red serif "AKAI professional" on all that beige-white gear?



vs. this nightmare from the 2000's



I hate when companies do this, in an effort to stay "current" I suppose. Granted, they've tweaked the logo a bit in recent years, but it's still bland.
MPC60 - the greatest electronic musical instrument ever made. I could not live without one. Wanna make a crazy post modern dogstep beat in the 'pooter but after your done it sounds kinda flaccid? Never fear - record it into the mighty MPC60 and never need Viagra again.
Old 7th August 2019
  #1502
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Originally Posted by Jiglo View Post
Possibly warrants it's own thread, but how do people get and then keep their front panels looking clean without damaging them and the paintwork?

I've purchased a VX90 and it's looking pretty grubby in the photos
On eBay? I think I might have been bidding against you. Very glad to see it has gone to a good home

Good luck cleaning it up, hope it sounds fab.
Old 7th August 2019
  #1503
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Originally Posted by sjcaulfield View Post
On eBay? I think I might have been bidding against you. Very glad to see it has gone to a good home

Good luck cleaning it up, hope it sounds fab.
Yes, that's the one, but it's going back. Has a loose pot and crackly output and that's with 2 or 3 minutes of testing, so for me needs the pot replacing and possibly a service, plus the clean.

Would have been a good price though if it was as described. You might get a second chance
to bid again, if you still want it.

I'm getting sick of buying gear that's not as described. I don't lose money but it's the time involved in getting the return order, repacking and taking it to the correct drop off point.
Old 7th August 2019
  #1504
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Originally Posted by Jiglo View Post
Yes, that's the one, but it's going back. Has a loose pot and crackly output and that's with 2 or 3 minutes of testing, so for me needs the pot replacing and possibly a service, plus the clean.

Would have been a good price though if it was as described. You might get a second chance
to bid again, if you still want it.

I'm getting sick of buying gear that's not as described. I don't lose money but it's the time involved in getting the return order, repacking and taking it to the correct drop off point.
Ah man, that's sucks. I really hate that too.
Old 7th August 2019
  #1505
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Originally Posted by Jiglo View Post
Yes, that's the one, but it's going back. Has a loose pot and crackly output and that's with 2 or 3 minutes of testing, so for me needs the pot replacing and possibly a service, plus the clean.

Would have been a good price though if it was as described. You might get a second chance
to bid again, if you still want it.

I'm getting sick of buying gear that's not as described. I don't lose money but it's the time involved in getting the return order, repacking and taking it to the correct drop off point.
When things are not as described I will usually offer to the seller that they give me a partial refund as compensation. Saves them from paying shipping both ways for nothing and saves me the hassle. As long as you can do the work or have a tech nearby its often a better solution. I have never had a seller resist this approach and say, "No - I'd rather you send it back" - basically this adjusts the price to what it should have been if it was described with full disclosure.
Old 7th August 2019
  #1506
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Originally Posted by shreddoggie View Post
When things are not as described I will usually offer to the seller that they give me a partial refund as compensation. Saves them from paying shipping both ways for nothing and saves me the hassle. As long as you can do the work or have a tech nearby its often a better solution. I have never had a seller resist this approach and say, "No - I'd rather you send it back" - basically this adjusts the price to what it should have been if it was described with full disclosure.
I did that with a seller of an S700 from Italy. He sent me a different sampler to that shown in the picture on Reverb. It wouldn't boot up and didn't even have rack ears. I got around two thirds of my money back so it was then worth a gamble for getting it serviced, but it wasn't guaranteed that it would pay off.

As luck would have it, it was repaired, apart from the quick disk drive, which had a damaged chassis inside, presumably from taking a big drop. Maybe that's why I didn't get rack ears, as one must have become damaged if it was dropped as expected. Anyway I suppose the gamble did pay off in that a S700 has sold recently for £360 + postage, so these 'practically worthless' samplers are becoming quite popular again and going up in price, although mine isn't fully working. More than that though, I really want this to use and this is the going rate, but it's nice to know that my investment is a fairly sensible one. That is a good partial refund for me.

Back to this seller of the VX90. He listed it as "Works perfectly". It doesn't, so I set up a returns request as I don't want to deal with faulty items again unless it's worth a gamble for me to get back to good working condition again, ie send to a tech guy to repair.

However, the seller is saying that he will accept the return, but this is my fault for buying it without asking questions about it's condition. To which I reminded him that the onus is on him as a seller to list the faults and not describe this as "perfectly working" if in fact it isn't. I know this is old gear and I know old gear is more prone to part failures, but these should be mentioned. So this has rubbed me up the wrong way.

I regularly see used gear with listed faults and a caveat that there might be others. These items often still sell for a great price but the seller has then performed their duty to inform and can have good reason to argue against a return claim.

Sorry, just venting a little. Keep calm and carry on
Old 13th August 2019
  #1507
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Originally Posted by Jiglo View Post
Yes, that's the one, but it's going back. Has a loose pot and crackly output and that's with 2 or 3 minutes of testing, so for me needs the pot replacing and possibly a service, plus the clean.

Would have been a good price though if it was as described. You might get a second chance
to bid again, if you still want it.

I'm getting sick of buying gear that's not as described. I don't lose money but it's the time involved in getting the return order, repacking and taking it to the correct drop off point.
Looks like it's been relisted again:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Akai-VX90...h/223621479808

"Works perfectly" the listing says - must be why it's £150 more expensive than the last time
Old 13th August 2019
  #1508
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Originally Posted by sjcaulfield View Post
Looks like it's been relisted again:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Akai-VX90...h/223621479808

"Works perfectly" the listing says - must be why it's £150 more expensive than the last time
I always considered 'works perfectly' with older gear like this to mean it technically operates. Most of the recent stuff I've got has some noisy pots/inputs but usually over time you can break it back in. I guess 'working' would have been a more accurate description.
Old 13th August 2019
  #1509
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We had our disagreements over many messages and I don't want to get into a flame war by bringing them up, but I made a short video of the 2 immediate problems I found should the seller have disputed the return claim. To him 'works perfectly' means with the caveat that being old gear there might be a few problems, but as I told the seller and as I can prove, i've owned a VX90 before and it was in much better condition, without being sold with such high praise.

The pot which rattled like there was nothing behind it, fixed itself during transit back and the crackly output was fixed with a quick spray of switch cleaner.

I just think that any problem that you know about should be mentioned in a sale and as it transpired from our messages, the seller knew of at least one of the problems. I always err on the side of caution when I list stuff and tend to undersell rather than oversell.

Anyway, his feedback is 100% positive and looking at the fresh picture, it looks to be from a good home from someone who cares about sound. He's cleaned it up and it doesn't look like it's been found in a skip now.
Old 13th August 2019
  #1510
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Originally Posted by Jiglo View Post
We had our disagreements over many messages and I don't want to get into a flame war by bringing them up, but I made a short video of the 2 immediate problems I found should the seller have disputed the return claim. To him 'works perfectly' means with the caveat that being old gear there might be a few problems, but as I told the seller and as I can prove, i've owned a VX90 before and it was in much better condition, without being sold with such high praise.

The pot which rattled like there was nothing behind it, fixed itself during transit back and the crackly output was fixed with a quick spray of switch cleaner.

I just think that any problem that you know about should be mentioned in a sale and as it transpired from our messages, the seller knew of at least one of the problems. I always err on the side of caution when I list stuff and tend to undersell rather than oversell.

Anyway, his feedback is 100% positive and looking at the fresh picture, it looks to be from a good home from someone who cares about sound. He's cleaned it up and it doesn't look like it's been found in a skip now.
Agree if it's rattling that should probably be mentioned, or just say fully working, as opposed to perfect. I got some old Midiverbs recently and they crackle and one of the mix knobs was loose but it works so don't care. The auction just said fully functioning but had wear and tear so a bit more accurate.
Old 17th August 2019
  #1511
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While I do have a quite large setup these days based around Reason / mac, I just love this small setup I did today, or the idea of it, dunno until I work with it really lol. I picked up the extremely underrated S-2000, a machine I used to have around 20 years ago. And I had fun with it then. Now I've gone full circle with Reason / kontakt etc and back to the oldskool stuff. Reason for picking up the S2K was simple. I've had tons of fun with the S1000KB and made many new sounds with it and the 2000 will be fresh to add as it has better filters, better multi possibilities and more voices. The midiverb 4 (another machine I didn't use for about 2 years) is connected to the S1000KB's FX send so I'm hoping for a little S1100 vibe there. Just finished connecting everything now and I added my Minibrute 2 as a little sideorder to this dish.

I must say as well that it's really a good thing to split up a larger setup into sections like this, as it is much easier to connect just a few instruments - I've got 10 other machines and it seems to take forever for me to connect them properly. So procrastinating this is a big problem for me, but working with a small "project studio" within the studio room feels fresh and inspiring.

I must admit I didn't find the idea of using an S2000 etc inspiring at all for years but like I said, full circle and back to the roots. This will be fun!

I've got many computers just waiting to be back in cyberspace including a G4 MDD so I'm toying with the idea of installing OS9 on it and actually using Mesa & ReCycle via SCSI like I did with a PowerMac 8600 in about 1997-98. The only thing I don't have is a SCSI cable, I think i trashed about 50 of those around 2002-ish *sigh*...
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Old 17th August 2019
  #1512
Tried it

But where the is the local off?!
Old 17th August 2019
  #1513
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better multi possibilities and more voices. The midiverb 4 (another machine I didn't use for about 2 years) is connected to the S1000KB's FX send so I'm hoping for a little S1100 vibe there. Just finished connecting everything now and I added my Minibrute 2 as a little sideorder to this dish.
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Try one of the older MIDIVERBs although maybe they will be too girtty to replicate the S1100?
Old 17th August 2019
  #1514
It is amazing with the Midiverb 4 but I want more old Alesis FX units again
Old 17th August 2019
  #1515
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It is amazing with the Midiverb 4 but I want more old Alesis FX units again
I just stocked up on three MIDIVERB2's and a MIDIFEX, really good. Never heard the IV.
Old 17th August 2019
  #1516
It’s similar but with less noise even than the QV I think. Love’m all.
Old 17th August 2019
  #1517
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It’s similar but with less noise even than the QV I think. Love’m all.
Ah ok, forgot I got the QV too which is really nice.
Old 17th August 2019
  #1518
Midiverb I highly recommended. Best for small reverbs.
Old 17th August 2019
  #1519
Yeah I had lots of fun with the QV Plus – WHY did I sell that! #(/%/#

Solved the Local Off issue btw; Local off on the Akai S1000 KB anyone?
Old 17th August 2019
  #1520
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I've had my MPD18 for about 10 years...use it in conjunction with a V-drum kit pretty regularly. About 5 years ago I did the MPCSTUFF pad upgrade which dramatically improved the live utilization. Mine has nice blue pads that feel great.
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Old 17th August 2019
  #1521
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Originally Posted by apres garde View Post
I'm just recording straight to ableton @96k via a duet.
I don't remember any of those old tunes being recorded at 96k...

Try 16bit 44khz for a start

Aside from that, it's layer upon layer of destructive processing that gets things gritty.
Old 19th August 2019
  #1522
Made this track now on the Atari with just S1000KB & S2000 (most sounds) & a little Reason ReDrumming and lots of ABBA & Frank Zappa-inspiration

https://choon.co/tracks/0j7mu8frhv4/...ce-for-symdee/


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Originally Posted by bitleyTM View Post
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While I do have a quite large setup these days based around Reason / mac, I just love this small setup I did today, or the idea of it, dunno until I work with it really lol. I picked up the extremely underrated S-2000, a machine I used to have around 20 years ago. And I had fun with it then. Now I've gone full circle with Reason / kontakt etc and back to the oldskool stuff. Reason for picking up the S2K was simple. I've had tons of fun with the S1000KB and made many new sounds with it and the 2000 will be fresh to add as it has better filters, better multi possibilities and more voices. The midiverb 4 (another machine I didn't use for about 2 years) is connected to the S1000KB's FX send so I'm hoping for a little S1100 vibe there. Just finished connecting everything now and I added my Minibrute 2 as a little sideorder to this dish.

I must say as well that it's really a good thing to split up a larger setup into sections like this, as it is much easier to connect just a few instruments - I've got 10 other machines and it seems to take forever for me to connect them properly. So procrastinating this is a big problem for me, but working with a small "project studio" within the studio room feels fresh and inspiring.

I must admit I didn't find the idea of using an S2000 etc inspiring at all for years but like I said, full circle and back to the roots. This will be fun!

I've got many computers just waiting to be back in cyberspace including a G4 MDD so I'm toying with the idea of installing OS9 on it and actually using Mesa & ReCycle via SCSI like I did with a PowerMac 8600 in about 1997-98. The only thing I don't have is a SCSI cable, I think i trashed about 50 of those around 2002-ish *sigh*...
Old 19th August 2019
  #1523
BHW
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first the emulator killer s1000kb and now you going all in with the s 2000. man you are nuts.
Old 20th August 2019
  #1524
I guess so? I'm not a rich guy but I love gear. The S-2000 is the same machine as the S-3000XL though, it's just got a more simple UI, fully usable. I see it as a cheap 32 voice SCSI & resonant filter & output expander more or less. My S1000KB sounds loaded easily and sounds a tad different / fully usable / acceptable given the easy multitimbral setup possibilities and I can always EQ and tweak with software after that step. These machines are "married" to my Atari and makes a very cool early 90s setup, making me work in other ways than with the modern stuff.
Old 20th August 2019
  #1525
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Midiverb I highly recommended. Best for small reverbs.
i think alesis were on it back then , there reverbs i think contributed a lot to early electronica in a really positive way.
Old 21st August 2019
  #1526
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I just bought an S1000 off of eBay but flipping USPS lost it en route. I'm hopeful that it'll turn up, but it's already been a month so it's probably gone forever. I was reading all these s1000 threads getting pumped and then it just disappeared off the face of the Earth :( if anyone has a unit they're willing to part with I'd buy it for a competitive price
Old 21st August 2019
  #1527
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I guess so? I'm not a rich guy but I love gear. The S-2000 is the same machine as the S-3000XL though, it's just got a more simple UI, fully usable. I see it as a cheap 32 voice SCSI & resonant filter & output expander more or less. My S1000KB sounds loaded easily and sounds a tad different / fully usable / acceptable given the easy multitimbral setup possibilities and I can always EQ and tweak with software after that step. These machines are "married" to my Atari and makes a very cool early 90s setup, making me work in other ways than with the modern stuff.
yeah was thinking of a s2k like that, if it had the expansions.
not sure about that encoder though.
the idea of a simple green LCD is quite appealing. the big one on the s3kxl can be a distraction. it's a nicely designed machine though. needs some time to get into it, and then you see that it has a good workflow. the s2k is a bit like a modern 16bit s950 concept.
Old 21st August 2019
  #1528
BHW
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yeah was thinking of a s2k like that, if it had the expansions.
not sure about that encoder though.
the idea of a simple green LCD is quite appealing. the big one on the s3kxl can be a distraction. it's a nicely designed machine though. needs some time to get into it, and then you see that it has a good workflow. the s2k is a bit like a modern 16bit s950 concept.
come on, the s2000 is soundwise a s3000 but with a crippled interface. So you think a big screen is a distraction? It is better to program a sampler thru a key hole? with this tiny screen it is like programming a s 3000 with both hands bound to your back.

the great thing about the S 950 is not the workflow. it is the sound which the s 2000 does not have.
Old 21st August 2019
  #1529
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come on, the s2000 is soundwise a s3000 but with a crippled interface. So you think a big screen is a distraction? It is better to program a sampler thru a key hole? with this tiny screen it is like programming a s 3000 with both hands bound to your back.

the great thing about the S 950 is not the workflow. it is the sound which the s 2000 does not have.
well i agree. but i've been curious about the s2000 anyway, since you could get them for 50eu. i've had s900, s950, a couple of s3000XLs. remember the s950 fondly, but at the time i was happy to move up to the s3kXL with fx board. i did everything via the display, edited on it, truncated and timestretched, and i'm not sure i'd want to depend on that display now, or perform those operations.
i never got round to using MESA II ...
anyway i have something else now, EMU, and i find it a bit back-to-front compared to the logical Akai scheme. i tend to think that getting material in there and mapping it up is the most important bit. i guess the s950 did have a crunchier more lo-fi sound but i wasn't obsessing about that then, i just enjoyed the ease of use. i'm not as expert a samplist as others on here, so it's more of a layman's offering. tbh i got a lot more done with the Orion 'sampler' instrument, which is a 100% no brainer, for a long time. then i grabbed an ESi, which i don't use much,
but it mashes up sound ok, kicks up some funny artifacts. the drawback with all these machines is the proprietary sound file format -wav is easier. however, then i started thinking that samplers are really about the sampling, grabbing sound, rather than just loading sounds off a hard drive. so i can see why the s950 has had a renaissance. but i did like the workflow too.(which might explain my curiosity about the basic green LCD letterbox editing). i think there's a value in keeping these things simple. sure, 4x velocity layering on the s3kXL is great, but i'm not sure i want to spend that much time doing things. grab the sound, make the sample, map it, and see how it turns out, what you can do with it.
Old 27th August 2019
  #1530
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Anybody know if its possible to assign a Stereo Programme (so a keygroup that has a L and R sample loaded, set 50L and 50R within the programme) to 2 individual outs on the 3000xl? Manual (page 39 onwards) is unclear, it says that individual outs are just set at MID pan (also if using them in a multi) and that this individual Pan Setting always overrides the Programme pan setting. Do the Individual Outs actually sum to mono a stereo Keygroup programme before its output? In other words it seems if I set 2 consecutive individaul outs set one L50 and other R50 with a copy of same STEREO programme it should work, yes?? Then the L sample goes to L and R goes to R just as if it was being oumoed out the Main Outs....?

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