i was reading that akai's mesa 2 software still runs on win7

Ha, I see.

I like the [email protected] the most. Has this "street", "hood" sound quality to it which sounds awesome for this loop.
The [email protected] is great too, bass heavy and very raw.
Bags of attitude and sounds familiar, I guess from the endless of records which featured one.

The S1000 is a surprise also. I liked it a lot too. Sounds classic and wild.
The S1100 is a little different, not so heavy sounding to me, but I think the overall difference compared to the S1000 is not that great. Sounds a little brighter and possibly a little "thinner".
The S3200 sounds not so good to me.

Overall I think for this loop the Emax has the edge and for a different (delicious) taste the 950 is a close second.

I also like the Roland S-50 a lot for this type of sounds. It's not so well known or famous like the 950 or the Emax but certainly is very nice for dirtying drums up and surprisingly I love it on dark sounding piano sounds too! A very musical and underrated machine.

Great test!!!

When you say the [email protected] do you mean the actual nyquist, and setting the machine at 9600 (which is really half of the true/nyquist which equals 19200), or do you mean setting the machine at 19200 (which would give a real freq of 38,400)..

Btw, to the S950 users, what your favorite freq you set it to? i set mine to 13000 (to make it close to the 26000 on the SP), and sometimes set it to 10000 when I start to run outta time.

Ok - this sounds interesting. And which Adaptec SCSI Contoller runs under Win7 (64bit) and the S1100 together? The most controllers I have find in the web are too fast for S1100 data transfer rate.

If not I try to connect my old PC via NAS to my new PC.

Thanks and thanks to all

Sudad G

I hope you're not trying to make MESA run the S1100. MESA is designed to work only with XL series of Akai samplers.

While SMDI will only work in Win 98. IMO, you're wasting time with Win7 machine (for these duties).

I like to get down at 8000 for most of my samplings. for hihats/vocals I leave it at its default 10000

@living sounds
Thanks for the sp12 version, I added the driven versions to the complete shootout playlist here Sampler Shootout by fromafarawayplace on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

(there are more variations there, I just didn't want to add all of them into this thread)

I also redid the S1100 version... sounds much better now with the +12out setting... and the input driven harder, so matches very closely with the S1000 now (although to me the 1000 still sounds nicer):



MPC2000XL



MPC4000 - 24Bit setting




Personally my fav version in the test is the sp12! then the emax, then the 1000. Find the 950 sounds better with other material.. and low pass filtered

Sounds like an ok price for the US.. but forget the floppies, the drive should be replaced with this: Lotharek`s Lair

If you don't care about the extra RAM potential, and timestretch, grab the 900.
Check if saving/loading floppies works, if not use this to neg. the price down.. Also the backlight is probably faded, cheap to replace.. but again use to bring down the price
Get the seller to sample into it and show you it works, or download the pdf manual so you can test some stuff yourself.

I have a S900 and it;s cool but imo my Ensoniq EPS classic is waaay more flexible, U may wanna try D16 softwares Decimator plug in....imho it is the best at emulating older hardware samplers

Heres a dry machinedrum version.12 bit loaded via midi into the md and tracked out with no eq ect from my hotel room.Motu ultralite soundcard..Download for wav.Interested in comparison.

crappy in a nice way. I like the way the filters distort.
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Lots of fz1 on it.

Maybe not house, but it almost became the definition of 2nd gen Detroit techno.

Oh yeah? Who used the k2000? I've never seen mills, banks et al with one.

Be interesting if what you say is true though.

Maybe not so much those you mentioned, but Carl Craig and Kenny Larkin for sure used the k2000, and anybody else who could get one to play with.

Mike Banks either owned one or had it on loan.There are some slightly tweaked K2000 presets in a few UR records.
Claude Young was using one around 95-96 also.
Carl Craig had a Kurzweil K2xxx at one of the T in the Park gigs he played.
The K2000 was quite a popular machine.
It can sound quite distinctive. Once you get to know it you start noticing how often it's been in recordings.

This. Combine it with Sonalksis TBK-2 and you have bit reduction covered.

ok ok people: Just one drumloop, not proper, judgement from only that piece is just one thing. Hardware samplers have way more to offer like the big headroom, filter options, FX chains and different kind of 'feel and sound' then one another.

I have the Emu 4XT Ultra and the AKAI S5000, with both optional FX cards fitted and I find that the minimum to go IF looking for deep sounding or heavier or whatever you want to read kind of sampler. Both have excellent SCSI interface and great OS.

Anyway.

Only it will never sound like an Emax. Or a 950, 1000 or 1100. Or an EPS. Or DSS-1. Or......etc.

Kind of like tweaking an SSL eq plug compared to using the real thing.

say what would be easier to edit, make programs, general use etc.. s950 or s1000/1100?

S1000/1100. Easiest samplers going.

To the OP Akai is not for deep, Roland is

Roland samplers = deeper and warmer
Akai samplers = brittle and percussive

The Akai oldies mentioned here are not brittle at all, thats only true for about 3000XL -> latest. But yea, I've heard alot of great things about the rolands, think I remember hearing the midi is not tight enough for drums though, if anyone wants to stick the break from my shootout into their 750/760/770, I'm sure lots of people would love to hear that.

Old Rolands cut the attack off drums, you need to leave a small gap at the start of the sample... they didn't fix it till the XV5080!

I don't have an S550 anymore but some drums and loops clips

got an s770 here. not had it long. made the mistake of buying 2 bits of gear at the same time and so the 770 sits patiently while i play with the s3200. what would be good for getting the loop to sound best? drive the inputs a bit? sample high and pitch down?

550 sound good ColJ, nice filter too, thanks for the clips

@worm in my soundcloud demos I slighty clipped the inputs, I did some variations, pitch up, down in sampler like you said.. but only stuck those in the full shootout:
Download fromafarawayplace - Sampler Shootout.zip for free on uploading.com
mirror:
fromafarawayplace - Sampler Shootout.zip

30 wavs in there

[Just Pm'd you the original wav break as requested below]

any chance of just the raw loop? i'm on a slow connection

Interesting stuff!

I'm going to start with the Akai and probably pick up a k2000 soon after, but I'll keep my eye out for a cheap roland.

God, I'm going to get addicted, aren't I?

It's really interesting when you compare the s900 to the s1000. The s900 is much more punchy ... and yes all Akais sound brittle (as do Tascam mixers IMO).. sorta adds to the "punch" I guess.... but I don't find this true with the s612.. which is the biggest/punchiest sounding to me.. but almost too big..

Kenny Larkin was the first thing that came to my mind... oh I still love Yennek "Dancing Tides" so much.

Seriously.. my friend got one of these for a steal.. with a ton of discs.. I really didn't want to like it cause it's big and clumsy.. and the last thing i need is something that takes floppies... but man does it sound good.