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Synthbus compressor (ITB or OTB) What do you guys use? Dynamics Processors (HW)
Old 14th September 2011
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Synthbus compressor (ITB or OTB) What do you guys use?

Was wondering your approach.
I sometimes use Waves Api 2500. But usually leave it uncompressed.
What about hardware guys?
LA4 seems to be the choice of Fred Falke (Zdar uses it too to compress synths). Any opinions about it?
Old 14th September 2011
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I had API 2500 installed yet I was using something far inferior until someone mentioned it on here. I tried it...and it's NICCCEEEEE.

I was using PSP Xenon for awhile, but it distorts pretty easily....so I jumped to Fabfilters Limiter...but now I've come to the conclusoon of adding many compressors/EQ/limiters to the final mixdown.

SSL X EQ
API 2500
Fabfilter L

That seemed to be a good final 3 for me. The API though really allows you to add tape like distortion without digial clipping like the old VST 32 tape mode. I could get REALLY loud mixes that weren't clipping...was strange.

I'm back to liking how loud the final mix can get thanks to that API 2500.
Old 14th September 2011
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Thanks for the reply.
I've tried Api 2500 (Hardware) as a masterbus compressor for electronic stuff and liked it quite a lot. Might be able to borrow one soonish. Got to try in synthbus also.
Old 14th September 2011
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Synth Bus?

Nothing.

I use the envelopes on the synths or the
volume fader.

Maybe some side-chain as an effect for
ducking reverb.

Try the Elysia Mpressor demo... nice
for solo synths, pads. Also try the Alpha.
That's what I'd use if I had to on Synth Bus
(ITB) for M/S features, soft clip, fast attack,
Niveau Filter.

Go gentle. 1:1.3, 1.5... parallel.

Keep in mind that compression adds exponentially.
So if you are compressing the synths, synth buss,
and master buss all 3:1... that's 27:1.

Also, an open square wave at 0dB is as loud as it
gets. Full Clip.
Old 14th September 2011
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my aproach is just dont use plug in synths than you dont need that kind of cosmetics. With things like an api simulation you just add the analog emulation the cheasy plug in synths are missing.. but its still an inferior result in relation to the real gear.


however..ther are of cause synth sounds the might need some compression.. high resonant modulated sequences can have some harsh peaks that can actually blow speakers.. ok.. not with a plug in.. but a real moog or prophet or similar heavy very well can blow speakers.
Old 14th September 2011
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I use pre-made loops for all of my music, so since I'm not using actual synths I'm not sure if this applies or not, but none the less on the synthy loop buss I love the Benringer MDX2100. It can give a really good warm boost to the tone and is super easy to dial in.

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Old 14th September 2011
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Seems that quite a few people here have very undynamic synths, so they don't need to compress. Lucky them heh

I use ITB the API 2500
OTB I use Distressor, 1178 or ES-8
Old 14th September 2011
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I use pre-made loops for all of my music, so since I'm not using actual synths I'm not sure if this applies or not, but none the less on the synthy loop buss I love the Benringer MDX2100. It can give a really good warm boost to the tone and is super easy to dial in.

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Old 14th September 2011
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Seems that quite a few people here have very undynamic synths, so they don't need to compress. Lucky them heh

I use ITB the API 2500
OTB I use Distressor, 1178 or ES-8
Distressor is hard to beat on almost anything, only piece I've ever been so immediately impressed with that I bought a second one without really needing it right that moment.

I drenched the piano in this: http://db.tt/1npIEs4 with it, and it doesn't in anyway really feel dynamically limited, it just ends up bigger and better.

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Old 14th September 2011
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Hey now! Some of us (like me!) don't know how to play an instrument or write a melody, so we have to be thankful there are people kind enough to sell loop packs we can buy and make music with!

The DAW I use, Magix Music Maker, (triple M as I like to call it) even comes with some really cool free ones. Definitely recommended for those in the same boat as I was in!

Sorry about the de-rail, but loops need a little compressor love too ya know!

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Old 14th September 2011
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Hey now! Some of us (like me!) don't know how to play an instrument or write a melody, so we have to be thankful there are people kind enough to sell loop packs we can buy and make music with!

The DAW I use, Magix Music Maker, (triple M as I like to call it) even comes with some really cool free ones. Definitely recommended for those in the same boat as I was in!

Sorry about the de-rail, but loops need a little compressor love too ya know!

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Hey now! Some of us (like me!) don't know how to play an instrument or write a melody, so we have to be thankful there are people kind enough to sell loop packs we can buy and make music with!

The DAW I use, Magix Music Maker, (triple M as I like to call it) even comes with some really cool free ones. Definitely recommended for those in the same boat as I was in!

Sorry about the de-rail, but loops need a little compressor love too ya know!

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I hope you don't dream to get pro results with your DAW "MMM"

The loops and sounds are fine. But only good for entry level beginners and no level skills, who just want to try the first time in their life to make (magic) music.
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I hope you don't dream to get pro results with your DAW "MMM"

The loops and sounds are fine. But only good for entry level beginners and no level skills, who just want to try the first time in their life to make (magic) music.
why you dont say that its made for kids. to give them easy gratification and dont bore them away on there first steps... however theese kids grew older and an whole industry emerges around them to feed the need of the hobbists.

on the positive side.. in times where the sun of culture stays low even dwarfs have big shadows
Old 14th September 2011
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I hope you don't dream to get pro results with your DAW "MMM"

The loops and sounds are fine. But only good for entry level beginners and no level skills, who just want to try the first time in their life to make (magic) music.
Unfortunately my skill level is probably actually below what would be considered "beginner". For instance, I would think even a "beginner" could figure out a way to put all the loops together and make a semi-proper (even if it sounded like junk!) song, and I can't even do that!

I tried Ableton but it had waaaaay too many bugs, it's not a proper DAW in any way and sounded with no life, totally plastic.

We are totally off topic though, so on that note, I'll chime in that I was/am being disappointed with the Thermionic Phoenix's peformance on the 2buss. I am still only two weeks into owning a 2500 so I don't necessarily have a final firm opinion on it yet.

Phoenix can in my opinion be great on a synthbuss however, somehow that wasn't implied above, woops.
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Unfortunately my skill level is probably actually below what would be considered "beginner". For instance, I would think even a "beginner" could figure out a way to put all the loops together and make a semi-proper (even if it sounded like junk!) song, and I can't even do that!

I tried Ableton but it had waaaaay too many bugs, it's not a proper DAW in any way and sounded with no life, totally plastic.

We are totally off topic though, so on that note, I'll chime in that I was/am being disappointed with the Thermionic Phoenix's peformance on the 2buss. I am still only two weeks into owning a 2500 so I don't necessarily have a final firm opinion on it yet.

Phoenix can in my opinion be great on a synthbuss however, somehow that wasn't implied above, woops.
Old 14th September 2011
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I recently started to use outboard compression, with my old TL Audio Ivory 5052 mk2. At the same time I went from 44k to 96 k recording. So far so good...
Old 14th September 2011
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Old 14th September 2011
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Seems that quite a few people here have very undynamic synths, so they don't need to compress. Lucky them heh
Or maybe they have dynamic synths
and want to keep them that way heh

I personally like to plug a compressor
or limiter in-between my oscillators
and filters, or in-between my filters
and VCAs if necessary. Some of the
filters I have are designed to maintain
the same level and bass at full resonance,
so with them it isn't necessary.

But once I hit the envelope stage, I
can typically get better dynamic control
and shaping from AHDSR with switchable
curves (lin/log/expo) than I can a compressor...
especially when the VCAs can also be
lin/expo response selectable.

But that's all outboard. ITB... automation
or programming velocity sensitivity, lfo
depth, invert the filter modulation to volume
with a offset. It's synthesis. Should be near
complete control. Or put a limiter or compressor
on an individual synth if needed.

But not so much on the buss. But then again,
I'm not doing a pop/rock track with vocal, guitar,
live bass, drums, and a Mattson Modular played 20
times by Billy Corgan with Kevin Shields on the
pedal board, so maybe my ways are different.

The synth buss for me would be
Everything but the Drums and Girl.
Old 14th September 2011
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Either way, I stand by my suggestion
of Elysia MPressor and Alpha. Those
two are very creative tools. Another
great one is DMG COMPassion, if you
are up for some serious tweaking.

In "theory", DSM could be cool. I haven't
tried that one yet. Waiting on my new
Mac with the proper power to demo that
one.

I'm reluctant to even mention it without
trying first, in case the Baboon goes Gorillaz.
Old 14th September 2011
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Hardware

Elysia Mpressor is absolutly no.1
Tl Audio Ebony A2, i find this unit excellent on synth bus.You can control the amount of tube and eq works nice.Eq can be added before and after compression,very useful.

Software

Waves rennesance eq & comp.
T-Racks bundle
Old 14th September 2011
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if its synthbus compression then for me its the shadow hills dual optograph
Old 14th September 2011
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shadow hills dual optograph
that ish is sexy.
How fast can the attack be?
Old 14th September 2011
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A few days ago I play with a softsynth and an I was thinking "why does it sound so good" (normally softsynth don't touch me emotionally so much), then I realize that I had my API2500 (HW) sitting on the master bus.

Don't know, maybe I was tired.
Old 14th September 2011
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that ish is sexy.
How fast can the attack be?
Yeah she sure is pretty. As for how fast the attack can be , I don't know really tbh !
If I need a fast attack I reach for a Chandler little devil or a BAC or one of a zillion software options.
Old 14th September 2011
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A few days ago I play with a softsynth and an I was thinking "why does it sound so good" (normally softsynth don't touch me emotionally so much), then I realize that I had my API2500 (HW) sitting on the master bus.

Don't know, maybe I was tired.
Nope... probably weren't tired.

But I would be looking at the API transformer
and opamps as color more than the compression
action for the answer to your question
"why does it sound so good?".

Which is one thing the SW/ITB emulation misses
entirely.

I tend to separate the compression response and
action from the color of any associated transformers,
tubes, make-up gain, input stage...

So much so that I've been slowly moving towards
transformer-less, ultra clean (color) outboard
compressors. Then I'll pair them with different
preamps/DIs and tubes. More modular in approach.

I'm of the opinion that something like an Atlas Pro
Juggernaut Twin + Thermionic Culture Vulture will
do much more for your synth bus than a "compressor".

Which, BTW, may be one of the reasons MattyC likes
the Dual Optograph. Look at all the transformer options.
That's what "glues" a bus together. Similar harmonic
distortion. I'm sure a nice, smooth, clean optical
compressor doesn't hurt... but I'd take the trannies
and tubes over the compressor 9 times out of 10 on
the synth buss if I had half the budget.

Dual PREs + Ren Comp? $2k.
I'd have to A/B and hear myself. But SH does make
500 series preamps.
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How about updating your ignore list instead. Ok?
good idea.. really hurts
Old 15th September 2011
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that ish is sexy.
How fast can the attack be?
Wow that is sexy.

Also on the note of the reply to that, how do you like the Chandler Little Devil on the comp side? Do you own the EQ as well by any chance?

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Old 15th September 2011
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Nope... probably weren't tired.

But I would be looking at the API transformer
and opamps as color more than the compression
action for the answer to your question
"why does it sound so good?".

Which is one thing the SW/ITB emulation misses
entirely.

I tend to separate the compression response and
action from the color of any associated transformers,
tubes, make-up gain, input stage...

So much so that I've been slowly moving towards
transformer-less, ultra clean (color) outboard
compressors. Then I'll pair them with different
preamps/DIs and tubes. More modular in approach.

I'm of the opinion that something like an Atlas Pro
Juggernaut Twin + Thermionic Culture Vulture will
do much more for your synth bus than a "compressor".

Which, BTW, may be one of the reasons MattyC likes
the Dual Optograph. Look at all the transformer options.
That's what "glues" a bus together. Similar harmonic
distortion. I'm sure a nice, smooth, clean optical
compressor doesn't hurt... but I'd take the trannies
and tubes over the compressor 9 times out of 10 on
the synth buss if I had half the budget.

Dual PREs + Ren Comp? $2k.
I'd have to A/B and hear myself. But SH does make
500 series preamps.
I think you are right.
The Api 2500 who was sitting on the master bus doesn't really compress.
That is the reason why I like this box, it does something to the signal that is more than only compression.
Maybe that is the reason why now I'm looking for an API 5500 heh
Old 15th September 2011
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Wow that is sexy.

Also on the note of the reply to that, how do you like the Chandler Little Devil on the comp side? Do you own the EQ as well by any chance?

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all the chandler stuff is I have used is awesome. the little devil comp i run on "mono down the middle in your face buss" usually kick snare hats and midbass. sometimes sub too. and possibly a melody or lead will be sent there as well. depends, as always I guess.

heres a tune from the other week using that and the SH opto on the synth buss
Concord Dawn - Better Days - Concord Dawn dub by Concord Dawn on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
dunno if you can really tell via soundcloud but there it is. a bit of a pro one from around 2 min too

I own a pair of the little devil eqs yep and also the tone controls. love em. not surgical really and quite hard to set "flat", but fantastic for adding "vibe" to stuff. hope that helps !
Old 15th September 2011
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Either way, I stand by my suggestion
of Elysia MPressor and Alpha. Those
two are very creative tools. Another
great one is DMG COMPassion, if you
are up for some serious tweaking.

In "theory", DSM could be cool. I haven't
tried that one yet. Waiting on my new
Mac with the proper power to demo that
one.

I'm reluctant to even mention it without
trying first, in case the Baboon goes Gorillaz.
Do you find the xpressor as creative as his big brother? (= mpressor)
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