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Best hardware effects (reverb, echo, chorus) unit(s) for synths? Reverb/Delay Processors (HW)
Old 3rd September 2011
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Best hardware effects (reverb, echo, chorus) unit(s) for synths?

Ensoniq DP-4
Lexicon MX 200
Roland SRE-555
Roland RE-201
Eventide H3000
Eventide Space
Eventide Timefactor

Just a few names I hear, currently a Soundtoys user (all plugins) and willing to try hardware for chorus, reverbs and echos. Love wide, lush, huge and creamy ambience sounds.

I need the capabilities of both Eventide Timefactor and Eventide Space, so I'm wondering if buying both would be better, or do can an H3000 do it all?

How do I get started on what to buy? My budget would be $1000 max for all the units I buy, so the more effects one unit has the better. Sound is the most important thing here (but so are groceries and rent lol).
Old 3rd September 2011
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Some FX from my arsenal that I like with synths :

- Eventide Eclipse (delay -modulation)
- TC M3000 (reverb)
- Sony DPS-V77 (delay - modulation)
- Adrenalinn III (rythmic fx - only 1 input though)

Peter.
Old 3rd September 2011
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I'm in a similar situation, debating between

Lexicon MX400
(~$500 aus, new on ebay, 4 TRS inputs, flexible routing)

Virus B
(~$700 Aus, used on ebay, only 2 inputs, but also (obviously) a virus)

Leaning towards the Lexicon. Going to use it for Reverb & delay on Auxiliary sends, chorus/clanger/phaser on inserts.
Old 3rd September 2011
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I have the moogerfoogers delay, phaser and murf, I like them a lot. I plan on buying the chorus when it ships, and am looking at getting a ring mod since they often go for less than $200 on ebay now.

The effects in the virus are a big part of its sound imho and I could see it used just as a digital effects unit.
Old 3rd September 2011
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akg bx series spring reverb, bx20 or 25 preferably
some guitar amp+cab miced
ehx tubezipper
Old 3rd September 2011
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The Korg A1 is a pretty cool processor too.
I tried it a bit with some sequences on my Nord Modular G2X and the results were pretty nice

The Sony DPS-V77 that was mentioned before is a really nice unit too, as well as the Roland R880 for reverbs and the Symetrix 606 for delays.


The Roland SRE-555 that you mention is also really cool.
I love using it in combination with my Korg Polysix.
The lead sounds I get from it are just killer sounds

Other old units are pretty cool too, like the Ibanez AD202 and DM2000, both producing cool delays.


You can try guitar pedals too, some give a really nice sound
Old 3rd September 2011
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T.C. Nova Delay
Old 3rd September 2011
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...Love wide, lush, huge and creamy ambience sounds...
H3000 (any version), Quadraverb (yes really), V77 or Eclipse.
Old 3rd September 2011
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yes, old quadraverb (plus) is great unit!

lexicons mx200 or 400 are toys, do not buy it if you need very good reverb

you can get behringer rev2496, great dual effect unit for the price
much better than lexicons mx200 mx400 or even mpx550
Old 3rd September 2011
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Might be a bit of a random selection, but I really love my Furman RV-1 Spring Reverb. It has a little bit of noise to it (not the cleanest spring 'verb around), but the character it adds is really, really analog and lively. They can be picked up for cheap as well.

As for an analog echo, I really love my RE-201 Space Echo. Sure its a little ghetto compared to Eventide boxes but I'm all about little amounts of character and color when I add effects. Can't beat that magnetic tape sound or the subtle grit that it adds as an effect, not to mention there's some pretty cool sounds that can come out of the box when the settings are cranked and inputs are minimal.
Old 3rd September 2011
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My current digital FX lineup is composed of an Ensoniq DP/4, a Kurzweil Mangler, and a Kurzweil Rumour. You could definitely pick up all three for under $1000.

It's a pretty flexible and compact (4U) setup, with lo-fi (DP/4) and clean (Mangler) multi FX units, and a very nice, dedicated reverb (Rumour). I'm happy with this setup, and think it is excellent bang-for-the-buck, but will probably replace the Mangler with an Eclipse someday...
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Ensoniq DP-4
Lexicon MX 200
Roland SRE-555
Roland RE-201
Eventide H3000
Eventide 2016
Eventide Space
Eventide Timefactor

Just a few names I hear, currently a Soundtoys user (all plugins) and willing to try hardware for chorus, reverbs and echos. Love wide, lush, huge and creamy ambience sounds.

Im checking out the Boss RE-20 pedal and trying to see how happy it makes me in comparison to the real Roland RE-201/SRE-555.

How do I get started on what to buy? My budget would be $1000 max for all the units I buy, so the more effects one unit has the better. Sound is the most important thing here.
If sound is the most important thing than money isn't an issue heh
If more is better, and with a 1000$ here is what I start with:
[email protected] approx$250
[email protected] approx$500-600 depending on condition
Used Eventide Space$350

Yeah I break the 1K mark but sound is the most important thing right?

In fact your list is not unlike mine. Here is my list:
Dp4- currently own
RE-201-to buy
Eventide Eclipse-to buy
Lexicon PCM70-to buy
Old 3rd September 2011
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Space echo!
Old 3rd September 2011
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Space echo!
I'm only worried about the tape units because I would probably have to buy it online and would have no idea if they're in good condition or not. What bothers me is that fact that the units condition can ruin your sound (scratched heads and whatnot?) and I wouldn't know how to repair it.

:(

Here's to hoping an Eventide H3000 sounds close? I cant find anything on Google about Eventide H3000 vs Eventide Space, will buying the H3000 cover everything the Space does?
Old 3rd September 2011
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A vote here for the Eventide Eclipse. Such a versatile, organic effects unit with a huge pedigree.

If you buy a Space, a Timefactor and a Modfactor you're spending about the same as an Eclipse costs on the secondhand market, and the hotkeys are as useable as the knobs on the pedals.
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A vote here for the Eventide Eclipse. Such a versatile, organic effects unit with a huge pedigree.

If you buy a Space, a Timefactor and a Modfactor you're spending about the same as an Eclipse costs on the secondhand market, and the hotkeys are as useable as the knobs on the pedals.
Yes but clearly in the first post I wrote my max budget is $1000, an Eclipse alone exceeds that greatly.

@Dubtek71: What would be the point in getting an Eventide Space if I buy a Roland Space Echo RE-201, the big daddy? Makes it kind of redundant, no? Also, I didn't say more units is better, I said the more effects each unit has packed in, the better (meaning less units and less headache lol sorry if thats confusing).
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Yes but clearly in the first post I wrote my max budget is $1000, an Eclipse alone exceeds that greatly.
Are you willing to buy used? If so, it can be found (with some patience) for not too far above $1K.
Old 3rd September 2011
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Are you willing to buy used? If so, it can be found (with some patience) for not too far above $1K.
Yes i'm willing to buy used but is it really worth breaking 1K? I just want to get a nice Space Echo sound without having to stall rent lol.
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[QUOTE=UCTION;6996653]I'm only worried about the tape units because I would probably have to buy it online and would have no idea if they're in good condition or not. What bothers me is that fact that the units condition can ruin your sound (scratched heads and whatnot?) and I wouldn't know how to repair it.QUOTE]

That's true, if you cant test it at the location then it's always a risk!
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Yes but clearly in the first post I wrote my max budget is $1000, an Eclipse alone exceeds that greatly.

@Dubtek71: What would be the point in getting an Eventide Space if I buy a Roland Space Echo RE-201, the big daddy? Makes it kind of redundant, no?
Yes it is redundant. But then again if you buy a Dp4 then just about ever other unit mentioned becomes redundant too because the dp4 has lots of effects to choose from.

One major difference would be that the Space has midi, the Re-201 does not. Thus you can do some tricks with the Space that just will not be possible with the RE-201. At the end of the day you would have 3 different flavours. Eventide, Roland and Ensoniq with both analog and digital. The best of both worlds.
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along with what's already been mentioned..

TC fireworx
kurzweil rumour/mangler
knas ekdahl moisturizer
Old 3rd September 2011
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Yes it is redundant. But then again if you buy a Dp4 then just about ever other unit mentioned becomes redundant too because the dp4 has lots of effects to choose from.

One major difference would be that the Space has midi, the Re-201 does not. Thus you can do some tricks with the Space that just will not be possible with the RE-201. At the end of the day you would have 3 different flavours. Eventide, Roland and Ensoniq with both analog and digital. The best of both worlds.
Good points, but DP-4 is the cheapest so I figured it's sound quality wouldn't be as good as a tape delay or an Eventide. And if I buy 2 of the 3 itll be the Space and the RE-201.

I need the capabilities of both Eventide Timefactor and Eventide Space, so I'm wondering if buying both would be better, or do can an H3000 do it all?
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Good points, but DP-4 is the cheapest so I figured it's sound quality wouldn't be as good as a tape delay or an Eventide. And if I buy 2 of the 3 itll be the Space and the RE-201.

I need the capabilities of both Eventide Timefactor and Eventide Space, so I'm wondering if buying both would be better, or do can an H3000 do it all?
I don't know if an H3K can do it all, I haven't used one. Even if I had, I still couldn't say for certain that it can do it all for YOU.

I wouldn't underestimate the dp4. It provides good value for the money as a multi effects unit. I think its a good starter unit for bread and butter effects. Yeah it a bit on the lo-fi side compared to todays units, altho it was quite pricey when it was released 1K+. So take that into consideration.

Do you not have any interest in flangers, phasers,distortion, and other effects beyond reverb and delay?

If you need the capabilities of the Timefactor and the Space than that is what you should buy. Altho this is not what you indicated in your orginal post. My selections were based on speading the money around to get variety and value while trying to hit your budget. You did say more is better...heh

If you go with your 2 current picks you have no flanging no distortion ectra...
My pick 2 of the 3 is a dp4 and space echo. That gives me a greater variety than your selections. But that is just my approach.
The slutty thing to do is buy em all! heh
Old 3rd September 2011
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Eventides do seem very nice... but it seems like the "wow factor" reminds me too much of 10cc or something. Too epic and classy...
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Do you not have any interest in flangers, phasers,distortion, and other effects beyond reverb and delay?
Absolutely not, I'm very satisfied with software for these. Reverb and delay's will be the biggest factors in helping shape my sound (after my master synths of course), so I want to focus on those first.

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If you need the capabilities of the Timefactor and the Space than that is what you should buy. Altho this is not what you indicated in your orginal post.
I think you're right, I might just end up buying both of them and be done with it. I should've stated that I'm looking for a decent priced ($<500) workhorse for reverb and same price for some musical delays to make my synths sound larger and also give me different patterns.

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My selections were based on speading the money around to get variety and value while trying to hit your budget. You did say more is better...heh
I meant more effects inside one box is better, so I have to buy less things and they wont take up much space in my humble studio.

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If you go with your 2 current picks you have no flanging no distortion ectra...
My pick 2 of the 3 is a dp4 and space echo. That gives me a greater variety than your selections. But that is just my approach.
The slutty thing to do is buy em all! heh
Haha okay ill consider these options. I want Space Echo badly but buying tape units off eBay makes me nervous.
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I should've stated that I'm looking for a decent priced ($<500) workhorse for reverb.
Kurzweil Rumour.

I love mine. And from everything I've read -- published reviews, user reviews, and discussion on sites like this -- the Rumour simply owns the sub-$500 market for quality reverb. Basically, it's a single engine from the high-end KSP8 (all the same reverb algorithms). Everything from ambience and tiny spaces up through big, cavernous, and spacey. Super easy to operate and edit. Plug and play. Added benefit: superlative A/D conversion, if you need it.

As for your hunt for a Space Echo, you might also consider (as mentioned above) the Strymon El Capistan pedal.
Old 4th September 2011
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Yes but clearly in the first post I wrote my max budget is $1000, an Eclipse alone exceeds that greatly.

@Dubtek71: What would be the point in getting an Eventide Space if I buy a Roland Space Echo RE-201, the big daddy? Makes it kind of redundant, no? Also, I didn't say more units is better, I said the more effects each unit has packed in, the better (meaning less units and less headache lol sorry if thats confusing).
I've got a 201 and just ordered an Eventide Space for reverb duties. The reverb on the space echo is very limited and won't cover your basic reverb needs.
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Yes but clearly in the first post I wrote my max budget is $1000, an Eclipse alone exceeds that greatly.
There's always the Lexicon PCM-81. I like it better than the old H-3000.
Old 4th September 2011
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Ensoniq DP-4
Lexicon MX 200
Roland SRE-555
Roland RE-201
Eventide H3000
Eventide Space
Eventide Timefactor

Just a few names I hear, currently a Soundtoys user (all plugins) and willing to try hardware for chorus, reverbs and echos. Love wide, lush, huge and creamy ambience sounds.

I need the capabilities of both Eventide Timefactor and Eventide Space, so I'm wondering if buying both would be better, or do can an H3000 do it all?

How do I get started on what to buy? My budget would be $1000 max for all the units I buy, so the more effects one unit has the better. Sound is the most important thing here (but so are groceries and rent lol).
why do people buy hardware effects when there are tons of plugins?
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why do people buy hardware effects when there are tons of plugins?
Well why buy plugins when you probably pirate them am I right? Hell, why buy plugins when you can get the real thing? Doesn't sex feel better than watching porn? Same result at the end, but it's the process and journey getting to it that makes it worthwhile to spend money on dating a female demon right?

Think of it this way:

Why do people get pancakes at iHop instead of at McDonalds? Because their tastes are quite different (albeit with similarities), and simply because of preference.

Why do people buy guitars instead of loading up a guitar plugin? Because a guitar plugin can't get an authentic guitar sound pushed by human fingers as fast as real guitar can, it takes much longer to emulate and well, real guitar just sounds better.

Certain hardware sounds better than their software counterparts, and require no computer, or CPU power, as the math is done inside its own box and takes stress off your PC. It's makes the difference between Vangelis or Empire of the Sun and well...99% of the crappy sounds on any given website. Not saying hardware effects will make you a big shot, but its attention to detail and experimenting to find what other luxuries there are out there and understand why, that will bring your sound mentally and sonically to new levels. This is me growing up and trying something new.



Try doing that with a plugin, you get close, yet so far. The hardware is hands-on, and has character to it to help a producer define his or her "own sound". Little details count, if you care about your craft, and if you don't, well then you'll be on this forum for a long time figuring out why no one really likes your ****. And for christs sake, you can actually touch knobs! I hate staring at screens with a mouse trying to turn annoying knobs. Software resale value is very low, hardware you can generally get most of what you spent back if you decide to sell it - why do you think that is?

Plugins have their place, and so do hardware. It takes a true master to use both and know when to switch, and it takes an even bigger man to not take sides and enjoy the beauty of all that creates sound.
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