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I gIve up!!! Programming hihats for electronic music/trance Drum Machines & Samplers
Old 2nd September 2011
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I gIve up!!! Programming hihats for electronic music/trance

Are there any tutorials out there on programming hihat patterns for dance and electronic music? I seriously can't get this sounding well in Ultrabeat. I got some one shot hat samples from a friend but I just can't get this stuff to sound good. I think it's the velocity settings or something, I don't know...

I can get the 4/4 kick and snare going well but the hats are killing me.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Lets hear an example of something you've done and are not happy with.

This will say more than a thousand words.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Hats easily overwhelm a mix. Set your hat levels and then after you're happy with how they sound, lower them a bit again or cut them up so they aren't so constant. Or don't use hat samples at all. use something like metal on glass or something.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Are you sure they're the right sounds for the job? Go longer (half open) or shorter, like super tight. Try raising and lowering pitch as well.

You can also try using a pattern sequencer like Reason Redrum or the Roland drum machines, some people, especially those with limited musical chops, benefit from the visual cues.

Finally, try layering it with an opposing shaker/hat loop or even a drum loop through a HPF but be careful, the best patterns are the ones that don't turn to mush from complexity.
Old 2nd September 2011
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hmm

leave the hats out completely......ive noticed more and more artists doing this now days..........it not only gives you a unique sound, but it destroys your problem completely.......killing two birds with one stone so to speak.........either that or substitute other samples for the hats........like snapping fingers etc.........
hope this helps
Old 2nd September 2011
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Thanks guys... I really appreciate all the tips.

Would you be able to point me out to any tutorials on electronic beat programming?
Old 2nd September 2011
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Originally Posted by Cue This View Post
leave the hats out completely......ive noticed more and more artists doing this now days..........it not only gives you a unique sound, but it destroys your problem completely.......killing two birds with one stone so to speak.........either that or substitute other samples for the hats........like snapping fingers etc.........
hope this helps

yes, leave them out. Kill the groove! The groove what's for?
Old 2nd September 2011
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Just be creative......
Old 2nd September 2011
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I found in referencing my mixes to other systems (especially my car) that hats tend to stick out a lot so I would suggest turning them down a tad more than you might expect. Or maybe pan them farther to one side so they aren't popping in the middle of your mix and causing a distraction. But keep em in there they are like the glue that cements together the tiny cracks in your beat. Even very soft hi-hats make a difference IMO.
Old 2nd September 2011
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audio demo or it didn't happen

like this:

Old 2nd September 2011
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Hats are well overproduced in today's world.

Though I think delay/reverb/ touch of lo fi can help if all timed right.
Old 2nd September 2011
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an interesting rant on hi-hats

from the recording show by Ronan Chris Murphy, I like his idea:

drum programming advice, building tracks and recording high hats, hi hats | Ronan's Recording Show

good luck.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Originally Posted by bchamorro View Post
Are there any tutorials out there on programming hihat patterns for dance and electronic music? I seriously can't get this sounding well in Ultrabeat. I got some one shot hat samples from a friend but I just can't get this stuff to sound good. I think it's the velocity settings or something, I don't know...

I can get the 4/4 kick and snare going well but the hats are killing me.
Can you program this groove? I mean there is no hi-hats in there...
(I can't ... heh)



I guess we just all have to learn the instrument ...
Old 2nd September 2011
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Lets hear an example of something you've done and are not happy with.

This will say more than a thousand words.

what he said
Old 2nd September 2011
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ROLFHAHAlol.

WHAT?!

programming hats for trance is the easiest thing in the world.

the first thing a beginner learns.

here, let me help you:

xxO_xxO_xxO_xxO_

4/4 time signature.
x= closed hat
O= open hat

copy paste repeat.

For Xtra Credit, layer a bass saw under the open hat.
Then put the hi end synth on the xxO as well.

Change chords every 4 bars.

Congrats!!!

You made trance hit 20 years after trance hit.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Originally Posted by Entrainer View Post
ROLFHAHAlol.

WHAT?!

programming hats for trance is the easiest thing in the world.

the first thing a beginner learns.

here, let me help you:

xxO_xxO_xxO_xxO_

4/4 time signature.
x= closed hat
O= open hat

copy paste repeat.

For Xtra Credit, layer a bass saw under the open hat.
Then put the hi end synth on the xxO as well.

Change chords every 4 bars.

Congrats!!!

You made trance hit 20 years after trance hit.
Haha ...

and ...

if you'll delete closed hi-hat, leave it just Open at _ _O_ _ _O_ _ _O_ _ _O_
and add a 4 bar snare roll in a middle of the song, you'll get another one.

Then you'll stuck for years ...
Old 2nd September 2011
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good thing to bus all your percs including your hats to a bus and high pass that bus a bit, get that nasty harshness out and low cut as well and it leaves room for the synths and bass/kick ( i been using the waves mpx and using the highpass from that plug lately, works a treat) then with proper gainstaging and compression you should have some nice hats
Old 2nd September 2011
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Quote:
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ROLFHAHAlol.

WHAT?!

programming hats for trance is the easiest thing in the world.
lol...

HHs is one of those things that never change throughout the track. Its just the same 8 bar loop over, and over, and over again.

I guess the key is to find a sample that works with your track, without any tweaking whatsoever...then just tweak the decay, volume, tune, until its perfect.
Old 3rd September 2011
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does your song suck so badly that it comes down to the hats for make or break???

the whole is greater than the sum of the parts

quit worrying about it. come back to it

write a great track with a solid groove. maybe the hats help it, maybe the hats are overkill
Old 4th September 2011
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Haha ...

and ...

if you'll delete closed hi-hat, leave it just Open at _ _O_ _ _O_ _ _O_ _ _O_
and add a 4 bar snare roll in a middle of the song, you'll get another one.

Then you'll stuck for years ...
Slow to 110 bpm, open, closed, open, closed on the offbeats, pref CR78 sample, send out to E-Harmonix Electric Mistress, instant John Foxx. What is...chords?
Old 4th September 2011
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High hats can be of paramount importance.

Depending on what you want to acheive a simple 909 open high hat might just be what you need, although that can easily sound boring.

Anyway, learn how they're used on a real drum kit, it should really help.

Basically you should have many different samples to play with, one will not be enough to emulate what happens with a real drum kit . Get at least some fully closed and fully open hat samples and load them up in Battery or Guru for example. Make up a pattern, then you can play around with the velocity which will basically emulate how hard the hat was hit by the drummer.
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