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distant sounding synth presets compared to "Loops" Multi-Ef­fects Plugins
Old 31st August 2011
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distant sounding synth presets compared to "Loops"

My question is why most "presets" on soft synths sound distant and buried compared to the upfront crisp clean synths you hear on "loop" files. I bought a loopset from because i wanted a nice dance drum loop i heard. it came with the "song" sets and they give you all individual tracks. I liked a few saw synth loops it came with and loaded them into pro tools but when i tried to match sound, every sound i loaded was soo distant and muddy in comparison (even after i cut some low-end eq). I felt like I had to boost like 10db of high end just to come close to getting them to sound up front as the "producer loops synths". Is there a secret to getting full but crisp sounding saw synths? BTW i have a treated room using an apogee ensemble for conversion, PT9, MacPro.
Old 31st August 2011
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Old 31st August 2011
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Is there a secret to getting full but crisp sounding saw synths?
Yes, basically use lots of post processing, that's how most samples you buy, loops especially, are done.

So the loops you bought sounds crisp and upfront thanks to some judicious use of compression, eq, limiting, some specialised bass boosting, high frequency boosting with exciters...etc

Some synths do offer these effects as well, but I'd bet that a lot of the better loops and samples are processed by much higher quality processors than what is available in an average synth.

Then, samples/loops are very often layered, which again adds to the timbre density and colour.

Normally, you'd expect commercial loops to be ready to go, to be mix ready, ie: choose a loop, drag it into your mix and get the groove going without any further fussing with processing. This rarely happens with synth presets, and I'm not sure that I would want all presets to be like that, since I'd want to use my own processing and further layering in the mix.
Old 31st August 2011
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Himalaya, Thanks. That makes total sense. I guess they use those loops as great marketing tools. I hope to become a producer that can recreate the crispness and smoothness of those tracks someday.
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Well then, I wish you all the best on this sonic quest. :-)
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