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Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by 666 ➡️
Anyone know how to mount a CD image onto a scsi2sd V6 for an akai s1100?
I'm not sure what tool to use under windows but I've done it under OSX. Plug the SCSI2SD in to the computer with a USB cable. From the terminal you can use (from memory):

To get a list off all the drives connected to the computer and their disk identifier names.
Code:
diskutil list
To copy the CDROM image to the SCSI2SD virtual disk:
Code:
sudo dd if=<filename of CDROM disk image> of=<disk identifier name>
e.g. on my system its something like:
Code:
sudo dd if=oldsamplelibrary.iso of=/dev/disk3
this process can take a while and by default does not give any feedback to the user on how far it has progressed. Pressing control-t will cause it to report where its up to at the time.

then to finish up:
Code:
sudo diskutil eject <disk identifier name>
on my system this would be something like
Code:
sudo diskutil eject /dev/disk3
Selecting the right disk identifier can be tricky, particularly if your SCSI2SD v6 has lots of drives set up on it. I have found that the disk identifiers change each time I connect to the SCSI2SD making this process a bit dangerous. It can help to have an SD card setup with only one drive on it. Obviously, don't try to write to a drive that has all your important stuff on it. Use at your own risk etc.
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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Ok I now have an embarassingly stupid question regarding importing samples into the Yamaha A5000.

Gone through the not easy process of installing an internal CF card & also bought a SCSI to SD which I can conneted up no problem externally

Basking in my cleverness I thought now, just like my Roland & Akai samplers, , how easy it will be to then drag & drop files on the SD cards on the PC and plug into A5000 and bingo...
......except I forgot the Yamaha uses a file system not recognized by windows

So every time I put and SD into the PC it says "card need formating"or similar etc ...oops

????So how do you get Yamaha files on the SD cards?? please help??
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
  #2193
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Originally Posted by 666 ➡️
Anyone know how to mount a CD image onto a scsi2sd V6 for an akai s1100?
Using Windows XP, I use HDD Raw Copy Tool. I haven't had v6 for long, so I have a bug where a CD partition on SCSI2SD doesn't seem to have the full 650MB I allocate to it, so I set it up as a hard disk and copy the CD image over. That seems to work for me.
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by nutjob ➡️
With SCSI2SD v5 (AFAIK) there's no easy way to mount the volume on the computer. You essentially need a SCSI interface for the computer and you can then mount the drive over SCSI. You can get USB SCSI interfaces on the 2nd hand market but I don't know about which models to use nor know anything about drivers. I have a vintage PC and Mac both with SCSI but that's not a particularly easy route either

SCSI2SD v6 lets you mount the drives over direct USB connection to the PC - way easier to deal with.
You can mount the volumes if the SCSI2SD v5 is installed in your PC and then connected to the sampler through the external SCSI port. It’s exactly how it works for me.
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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Much of this (long) thread advises "slapping" images onto a SCSI2SD, and also using the command line "dd" command.

May I suggest a far easier and efficient way of doing this? Use Translator [Free], it is fully SCSI2SD compliant. "Slapping" images to the SD works, but it is significantly inefficient. For example, if you have a 32GB SD card with v6.0, you have 7 4GB ID's. (This is often the case with EMu.) Slapping an image to a 4GB SD card - you've just totally wasted 3.3GB.

Instead, you can use Translator [Free] to move whatever you want from the CD/disk/image to the SD card itself. You can make accurate compilations - you don't have to move all the files over - just the ones you want.

It has a great GUI, so you can audition any samples on these proprietary disks while you are at it. "dd" just isn't necessary, with it's blind usage and archaic command line interface.

There are tons of other tools included (again, for free) that will help you with your SD card management with SCSI2SD.

Works on Mac and Windows, all operating systems.And it's FREE!

http://www.chickensys.com/translatorfree
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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I cna also suggest a great website (that I personally oversee, since we have a massive amount of multi-sampler SCSI2SD experience)...

http://www.scsi2sd.info

This contains up-to-date information on SCSI2SD and lots of sampler-specific hints that can save you a lot of time and hassle. In fact, most of the questions here have been answered there, in a more brief and concise and accurate manner.
Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nutjob ➡️
With SCSI2SD v5 (AFAIK) there's no easy way to mount the volume on the computer. You essentially need a SCSI interface for the computer and you can then mount the drive over SCSI. You can get USB SCSI interfaces on the 2nd hand market but I don't know about which models to use nor know anything about drivers. I have a vintage PC and Mac both with SCSI but that's not a particularly easy route either

SCSI2SD v6 lets you mount the drives over direct USB connection to the PC - way easier to deal with.
Think I'll get the SCSI2SD v6 for my Akai then, thanks for the advice!
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by chickeneps ➡️
Much of this (long) thread advises "slapping" images onto a SCSI2SD, and also using the command line "dd" command.

May I suggest a far easier and efficient way of doing this? Use Translator [Free], it is fully SCSI2SD compliant. "Slapping" images to the SD works, but it is significantly inefficient. For example, if you have a 32GB SD card with v6.0, you have 7 4GB ID's. (This is often the case with EMu.) Slapping an image to a 4GB SD card - you've just totally wasted 3.3GB.

Instead, you can use Translator [Free] to move whatever you want from the CD/disk/image to the SD card itself. You can make accurate compilations - you don't have to move all the files over - just the ones you want.

It has a great GUI, so you can audition any samples on these proprietary disks while you are at it. "dd" just isn't necessary, with it's blind usage and archaic command line interface.

There are tons of other tools included (again, for free) that will help you with your SD card management with SCSI2SD.

Works on Mac and Windows, all operating systems.And it's FREE!

http://www.chickensys.com/translatorfree
Had no idea there was a free version! Thanks!
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by 666 ➡️
Had no idea there was a free version! Thanks!
Seems really odd that it would have this feature, when the demo (or "free version") doesn't even do any actual "translations" (its core feature!).

Can you explain how this is done? It's not clear from the software. It would be ideal to have multiple "CDs" (ISO images) in there without converting them into programs first, but I was under the impression this is not possible without multiple partitions. And this is inconvenient if you have dozens of CDs... Currently I've got a single 64GB SD card that's formatted (on the Akai) as a single "hard disk" volume. This works great for drag'n'drop but not much else.

Last edited by Mach1na; 24th November 2020 at 12:34 PM..
Old 5th December 2020 | Show parent
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I just purchased a SCSI2SD V6 for my S1000 ( not hd version) and realized that there doesn't seem to be any way to use the card internally since I don't have the optional SCSI controller card.

Should I set up an external scsi2sd and plug in using the centronics connector in back or is there another solution that I haven't thought of? Maybe a way to use some kind of adapter so I can use the scsi2sd with the floppy drive cable?

I can't believe I had to crack open the unit and pull the floppy drive before I realized there was going to be an issue
Old 5th December 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Harukiya ➡️
I just purchased a SCSI2SD V6 for my S1000 ( not hd version) and realized that there doesn't seem to be any way to use the card internally since I don't have the optional SCSI controller card.

Should I set up an external scsi2sd and plug in using the centronics connector in back or is there another solution that I haven't thought of? Maybe a way to use some kind of adapter so I can use the scsi2sd with the floppy drive cable?

I can't believe I had to crack open the unit and pull the floppy drive before I realized there was going to be an issue
You can use just a custom cable or a converter (don't know if will also need an additional power supply).

However, the SCSI2SD v5.5 would be perfect for your needs, since it's specifically designed for external connectors.

https://store.inertialcomputing.com/...si2sd-v5.5.htm
Old 6th December 2020 | Show parent
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So from my understanding, if you’ve got the scsi connector on the back, on the inside you should have a spot on its pcb to solder on an internal scsi connector, a 25 pin that’s the same as the scsi2sd. The s1100 has the socket already inside so it’s plug and play.

You can’t plug a scsi2sd i to the floppy drive cable as it’s a different thing. Scsi has more bandwidth etc.

Just thinking out loud but can you use a scsi card from an 1100 in a 1000? That could also be a solution
Old 7th December 2020 | Show parent
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So from my understanding, if you’ve got the scsi connector on the back, on the inside you should have a spot on its pcb to solder on an internal scsi connector, a 25 pin that’s the same as the scsi2sd. The s1100 has the socket already inside so it’s plug and play.
I think I'm out of luck because I don't think there's anywhere on my SCSI card to solder on any connector...

Going scsi2sd external with a centronics cable to the rear port send like the best path forward. I'm not looking to shell out another $100+ for a new SCSI card
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Old 7th December 2020 | Show parent
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https://www.gee-jee.net/?p=412

This is what I was thinking about, but your card does look different. Definitely go with the external then, it'll work just the same. My SCSI2SD V6 powered off the SCSI bus so i'd imagine it'd be the same for the external port on the S1000
Old 15th December 2020 | Show parent
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SCSI2SD drive slot tray

FYI: for anyone buying the SCSI2SD and diskette bay mounting tray from Inertial Computing: the mounting tray only fits one screw hole in the Akai S6000 (front bottom). The plastic also strips very easily so don’t expect to screw it in tight.

I used a couple of zip ties to semi-secure the top half, and the S6000 faceplate helps keep it in place as well.
Old 15th December 2020 | Show parent
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@ dysamoria

thats bad as it only has 2 mounting holes
could you post a picture of yours please

https://store.inertialcomputing.com/...cket-black.htm
Old 16th December 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Harry Palmer ➡️
@ dysamoria

thats bad as it only has 2 mounting holes
could you post a picture of yours please

https://store.inertialcomputing.com/...cket-black.htm
I’ve attached some photos here. The zip ties are two short ones together because I didn’t have a longer one. They are looped around the bottom post of the drive tray (in the photos, it’s toward the side of the S6000, since the adapter is mounted at 90°).

From the front, the drive tray faceplate flexes, especially at the top, but generally stays in place. The socket for the microUSB plug is semi-obstructed by the faceplate (it has a sort of indentation but it’s not near large enough; maybe a different plug would work better). Still, it inserts just enough to work for me, if not bumped.

Luckily, the SCSI2SD adapter is powered sufficiently via the SCSI termination power, so both the diskette & hard drive power plugs are unused. I hope that the reduced power consumption and heat from removing the hard drive helps the longevity of my Akai S6000.

I also hope my lame soldering job on the fan pins lasts.
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Old 22nd December 2020 | Show parent
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I finally got my S1000 going with the scsi2sd drive thanks to all the help from people in this thread (and the really nice, helpful people from Chickensys/Samplerzone), so thank you all very much!

I haven't figured out how to set up the multiple devices on the SD card, but that can come later after some music.
Old 22nd December 2020 | Show parent
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I also hope my lame soldering job on the fan pins lasts.
still got the molex cable for the hdd? just get a fan cable adapter and away you go.
swap the fan bolts for fan screws.
what size is the fan?
Old 22nd December 2020 | Show parent
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is there an external box for scsi2sd v6x?
Old 22nd December 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Harry Palmer ➡️
still got the molex cable for the hdd? just get a fan cable adapter and away you go.
swap the fan bolts for fan screws.
what size is the fan?
I considered that (uh, eventually, ha), but I also wanted to maintain the normal configuration of the unit, such as fan speed control in the settings. My solution worked and if the soldering job fails, I guess I could try to wick it off and redo it.

Edit: I think it’s this one: https://noctua.at/en/nf-a6x25-flx

Last edited by dysamoria; 22nd December 2020 at 03:37 PM.. Reason: Forgot to answer a question.
Old 22nd December 2020 | Show parent
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,,,
"it'll do for now"
Old 23rd December 2020 | Show parent
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a bit of work with a dremel on the back or top panel will fit an 80mm or 120 on an adapter.
Old 24th December 2020 | Show parent
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Yes, I have some for sale on eBay along with anything else you might need for your SCSI2sd setup.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264969020358
Old 24th December 2020 | Show parent
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Yes, I have some for sale on eBay along with anything else you might need for your SCSI2sd setup.
nice one ive saved seller and added box to watch list.
Old 31st December 2020
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Loading times for an EMU ESi2000 with SCSI2SD v5.2 Board installed

Disclaimer: This is the saddest thing i've done in a while. Just installed a SCSI2SD v5.2 Board in an Emu ESi2000. No real issues and it's working great! However i did half expect the Bank load times to be an improvement over the old Zip Drive that was in there. In actuality, load times are about the same.

Then i decided to plot the load times for different sized Banks using SCSI2SD to see if there's an 'optimal' Bank size. (Spolier: not really. Just depends how long you're willing to wait!) See the attached chart of my collected test data.

Conclusions:
1) Avg Data load rate is around 0.336Mb/s. That means a bank of about 10.1Mb takes 30secs to load.
2) There is a weird anomally with banks around 7Mb in size that seem to load slower somehow! I did a few around this size to be sure. (Could be my method though)
3) The fact that the rate is around the same as a zip drive implies the ESi itself is handicapping the SCSI2SD Board speeds(?)... maybe.

Next:
I'd be very curious to know if anyone else out there using a SCSI2SD v5.2 board can better these times. Or even better to answer the question "Is a v6 Board faster? And if so, by how much?"
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Old 1st January 2021 | Show parent
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Next:
I'd be very curious to know if anyone else out there using a SCSI2SD v5.2 board can better these times. Or even better to answer the question "Is a v6 Board faster? And if so, by how much?"
Some people say 10x faster, but it will depend on other aspects of your setup (the sampler CPU speed, quality of SD card, how optimized the OS is, etc.).
Old 5th January 2021 | Show parent
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Hello, maybe someone can help me

So I have a scs2sd v6 that I am trying to get working with my Akai s3000XL.

While the SCSI2SD is connected to my pc with USB, I can't save or load from the device at all (while setting up the utility).

Am I doing something wrong?
Old 17th January 2021 | Show parent
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Hi Jake, sorry for the slow reply, I've been super busy lately.

Thanks for the educational video, I really appreciate your help!

I followed everything from the video and got my v5 working without any problems, unfortunately with the v6 version the utility program gets very slow and my Akai doesn't recognize it.

After trying different configurations, it seems like scsi2sd has stopped working completely (it doesn't blink), the utility program doesn't recognize it anymore when connected with usb....

I hope I can fix this somehow.
Old 4 weeks ago | Show parent
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Help to configure SCSI2SD With Multiple Samplers

Hi there,

First of all, sorry for my bad english...

I just get the Multi SCSI2D Plug-In drive from Samplerzone.com

http://www.scsi2sd.info/blog/using-s...tiple-samplers

I got it for use with my Yamaha A3000/Akai S950/MPC 2000XL samplers as i can switch on 4 samplers on it.

As samplerzone has to send me longer scsi cables, they also requested from me the XML files for each of my samplers in order they can configure the sdcard and send it to me a new one also.

I'm a bit lost with the configuration through scsi2d utility and how i must configure it in order i can use my 3 samplers.

Also, how do i create volumes on the sdcard in order i can switch from one to the other sampler without formating the full sdcard data ?

Has someone has any tips please 'cause i'm really stuck at this point.

Thanx for your help.
JP
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