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Something new from Korg at NAMM 2011? Korg Kronos! Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 17th January 2011
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We are running out of planets here. dfegad

Korg Poseidon released 2015 with 400 synth egines, 1 petabyte of SSD, 30.000 voice polyphony. Sampling rate at ... 24bit 48KHz, but hey it's still High Definition for Korg.
Old 17th January 2011
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The real competition is Kurzweil. That's who it looks like Korg went after
with the piano + organ.

Kurzweil would've/could've been ahead had it not been for their unfortunate
hostile takeover situation.

Still, Kurzweil could be in the game with a K3000. Depends if they have
the financial resources to release something like that within a year and at
the right price point.

They need to, or Korg just fired the killing shot.


Korg is aware of this, with that Vast reference in the marketing.
An obvious razz.
Old 17th January 2011
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Originally Posted by Entrainer View Post
The real competition is Kurzweil. That's who it looks like Korg went after
with the piano + organ.

Kurzweil would've/could've been ahead had it not been for their unfortunate
hostile takeover situation.

Still, Kurzweil could be in the game with a K3000. Depends if they have
the financial resources to release something like that within a year and at
the right price point.

They need to, or Korg just fired the killing shot.


Korg is aware of this, with that Vast reference in the marketing.
An obvious razz.
Today's Kurzweil is too small to be of any threat to the major three in Japan. If they had a killer synth, their best and most lucrative option would be to sell it to Roland or Yamaha right now. Neither of this companies has an ongoing project to draw from to create a viable Kronos competitor and I bet they're more than willing to listen to anybody who has.
Old 18th January 2011
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Yeah, I was afraid of that.

By competition, I meant technological.
Old 18th January 2011
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I'm not too sure why anyone owning an OASYS would be miffed at the launch of the KRONOS.
Remember how miffed some folks were at the launch of the OASYS heh heh

If anything vindicates the O, it's this: make it cheaper and better after learning from the public prototype.


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Personally, I'm more concerned that theres been no follow-up to the Monotron. ...
Any kind of follow up has to compete against players who can already squeeze really well - DSI for one, Korg would need their own Mopho - and in R&D terms it's going from a bike to a car: not something you assemble as easily. A Monotron is purchased with pocket change. More than that and people will consider alternatives.

I think I read on Matrixsynth about Japanese synth designers who'd come up with something clever only to be snatched up by the MI corps.
Old 18th January 2011
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I think I read on Matrixsynth about Japanese synth designers who'd come up with something clever only to be snatched up by the MI corps.
Damned corporate goons! I wished we lived in the Star Trek world: all you need is an idea and your trusty home replicator... heh

Computer: make me a synth that puts Kronos to utter shame!

Bzzzt!
Old 18th January 2011
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Tempting. It's the Wavestation taken to a whole new level(in hardware anyway). I gave up on second hand Wavestations(and second hand gear in general) and I don't do VIs. I may have to grab a 61 key Kronos.

The 61 key looks kinda slutty to me
Old 18th January 2011
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Remember how miffed some folks were at the launch of the OASYS heh heh

If anything vindicates the O, it's this: make it cheaper and better after learning from the public prototype.
I'm not miffed, more like that's a great idea but "what's in it for us" ? I guess I've been spoiled with Access updates and have higher expectations, but unfortunately Korg doesn't see it that way. I think the EP-1 could have been released for the O, even as a paid upgrade like Mod-7 was - that would have made me happy. If you have the O, buying a Kronus for over $3K doesn't make much sense for the few extras you get. And I don't have space for it either. Makes me wonder what the problem with doing a rack for like $2K is ala the triton. The lack of racks from Korg for so long could be due to the Intel motherboard choice and limited runs, which is why doing your own board is the norm.
Old 18th January 2011
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I'm not too savvy with what the OASYS can take update wise, but wouldn't it be quite easy for Korg to offer the extra updates from the KRONOS, for a small fee? or better still, as a token gesture?
Old 18th January 2011
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I'm not too savvy with what the OASYS can take update wise, but wouldn't it be quite easy for Korg to offer the extra updates from the KRONOS, for a small fee? or better still, as a token gesture?
Not the SSD part AFAIK, but for the rest (EP-1, enhancements, new combi's etc) I see no reason the top end Intel hardware from 5 years ago wouldn't support the updates made for today's Atom, more so since they seemingly are non-OS / driver features . The O has 2GB of memory while the Atom only has 1GB, for example. The lack of those easy to do updates and silence from Korg explains some of the "miffed" O users.
Old 18th January 2011
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According to that video, a European release date of around APRIL!!!

Bugger. I want one now!! heh

The only consolation is that I'm getting a V-Synth XT in the next couple of weeks, so it will give me time to delve into that thumbsup

Fookin April!! pah!!
Dan
Old 18th January 2011
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We are running out of planets here. dfegad

Korg Poseidon released 2015 with 400 synth egines, 1 petabyte of SSD, 30.000 voice polyphony. Sampling rate at ... 24bit 48KHz, but hey it's still High Definition for Korg.
I dont get your point...

Are you saying its quantity not quality ?

I seriously dont know what people here expect from korg, the next analogue ? Isnt the fact that no big company even thinks to produce an analogue a clear indication how much the majority of people want an analogue ?

Is it true that KRONOS offer no innovation ? is not the fact that they offer so many features inside KRONOS inovation enough , for that price ? Is it not offering a huge amount of features in a very affordable price , innovation ?

And then we should not forget about updates, oh boy , where should I start ? Updates were always limited for software and hardware alike, I dont know why people expect that they will wake up one day and they will be offered the update of their lives.

Maybe they think that most companies should be like access, but alas they are not. As soon you get your product its safe not to expect absolutely nothing.

I would not expect any big update from KORG to be frank, for KRONOS and I will be suprised if there is ever going to be one.

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Damned corporate goons! I wished we lived in the Star Trek world: all you need is an idea and your trusty home replicator... heh

Computer: make me a synth that puts Kronos to utter shame!

Bzzzt!
hehehe... well the future is not very far. Actually there is a machine that "replicates" objects like fork, glasses, plates etc. with a computer an database of thousands of objects. Its very crude and limited but it is a step towards Star Trek "replicator" , I dont rememebr its name you will have to google it, it has been presented in several scince documentaries. So who know , the day which we will be able to replicate our synths may not be so far away.
Old 18th January 2011
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I agree, it does have some annoyances. Just curious, in your opinion, what are its flaws?
I like the synthesis engine a lot and the OS generally speaking (although being limited to 48 kHz at the S/PDIF input/output is a nuisance for me at times); I was referring to the physical design. The sliders feel like wobbly toys; the buttons are plasticky feeling and you're afraid to press them too often because the text comes off of them so easily with too much repetition; there's just a general feeling that it would be fragile for gigging; etc.

I like the pads, though, and it's too bad the Kronos doesn't have a set, although you could surely hook up a pad box to the Kronos if you just had to have them. You have to hand it to Korg for trying to do something different in terms of design with the M3, but the much more sensible and very sharp looking Kronos shows that they have come back to reality with keyboard design. They were trying to unify their manufacturing process by making the tabletop model the same as the central module of the key version and were trying to save a few cents on sliders and buttons, but blech....

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They already said that it is, on the Korg website... look into the features, I think it's in the 6th page or so: "The 61-key version features the same great-feeling, responsive semi-weighted keybed found in the M3-61 Music Workstation. "

Still, I think buying this in a 61-key version is almost a crime, seeing how good those pianos sound...
Well, if you already have a digital piano or 88 key synth a midi cable will do to access the pianos in the Kronos, obviously, but yes, if you could swing the extra 800 or so bucks for the 88 that would be ideal.
Old 18th January 2011
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i wonder how would one go about loading something custom sampled, you have mapped out in Kontakt.. .. hope one can import key ranges/assignments/velocity sw data..
If SoundFont supports velocity switch, then yes.

Kontakt -> Chickensys Translator -> Soundfont -> Kronos
Old 18th January 2011
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I like the synthesis engine a lot and the OS generally speaking (although being limited to 48 kHz at the S/PDIF input/output is a nuisance for me at times); I was referring to the physical design. The sliders feel like wobbly toys; the buttons are plasticky feeling and you're afraid to press them too often because the text comes off of them so easily with too much repetition; there's just a general feeling that it would be fragile for gigging; etc.

I like the pads, though, and it's too bad the Kronos doesn't have a set, although you could surely hook up a pad box to the Kronos if you just had to have them. You have to hand it to Korg for trying to do something different in terms of design with the M3, but the much more sensible and very sharp looking Kronos shows that they have come back to reality with keyboard design. They were trying to unify their manufacturing process by making the tabletop model the same as the central module of the key version and were trying to save a few cents on sliders and buttons, but blech....
Yeah, the sliders are wobbly, but I always thought this was my fault, because when I installed EXB-RADIAS, the M3 Module was upside down, and it was hard to open the case, so I kept pressing it down, and the sliders were facing the surface (and thats wrong to do)...I guess thats just how they are. I have no complaints about the buttons, they're nice. The keys rock. And yeah, good point about the pads - thats something that Kronos doesn't have.

For me, there are 2 main annoyances with the M3: the Sequencer and then RAM.

With the MIDI OUT connected to another synth, when you press LOCATE/START, the M3 sends a bunch of un-needed CC messages like pan, mute, LSB, MSB, etc...and that changes the connected synth. There is no way to remove those messages. Yeah. Hope Kronos won't have this issue.

With RAM, when creating your own kits, its too complicated. But the same samples sound much punchier / warmer in the M3 than in the DAW.
Old 18th January 2011
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Originally Posted by Entrainer View Post
The real competition is Kurzweil. That's who it looks like Korg went after
with the piano + organ.

Kurzweil would've/could've been ahead had it not been for their unfortunate
hostile takeover situation.

Still, Kurzweil could be in the game with a K3000. Depends if they have
the financial resources to release something like that within a year and at
the right price point.

They need to, or Korg just fired the killing shot.


Korg is aware of this, with that Vast reference in the marketing.
An obvious razz.
Yeah, a bit of razz is always nice. I could definately see a Kronos in the near future, complementing my PC3. Replacing? Nah. At least not if the midi specs are like the M3... IMHO, VAST is still a more flexible option, you can do VA, FM, clonewheeling and ROM playback with total integration - it's not totally separate engines, but it's even more integrated and flexible at the same time. And the Kurzweil strings and FX are hard to beat. But complementing - absolutely! I'd love to have both.

Edit: I find it very interesting that we will soon be comparing the 12 GIGABYTES of samples in the Kronos to the 64 MEGABYTES in the PC3. I'm sure the Kronos won't win all rounds.

The upcoming PC3 ROM will be very interesting, and the 3rd party sound suppliers are making great stuff too. The Moose Attack soundset is KICKASS. MOOSE ATTACK
Old 18th January 2011
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Yeah, a bit of razz is always nice. I could definately see a Kronos in the near future, complementing my PC3. Replacing? Nah. At least not if the midi specs are like the M3... IMHO, VAST is still a more flexible option, you can do VA, FM, clonewheeling and ROM playback with total integration - it's not totally separate engines, but it's even more integrated and flexible at the same time. And the Kurzweil strings and FX are hard to beat. But complementing - absolutely! I'd love to have both.

Edit: I find it very interesting that we will soon be comparing the 12 GIGABYTES of samples in the Kronos to the 64 MEGABYTES in the PC3. I'm sure the Kronos won't win all rounds.

The upcoming PC3 ROM will be very interesting, and the 3rd party sound suppliers are making great stuff too. The Moose Attack soundset is KICKASS. MOOSE ATTACK
I have a PC3X and an Alesis Fusion. With the Kronos, I got all my bases covered. The Moose Attack is some seriously awesome VA. It's why I question myself about getting a Virus TI. The second I think about it I play a couple of patches on the PC3X and think nah...
Old 18th January 2011
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I know only one thing about Kronos. I want it.
Old 18th January 2011
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I know only one thing about Kronos. I want it.
Same here,

although, alas, its two things for me. I want one, ...but annoyingly can't afford one. <sigh>
Old 18th January 2011
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I dont get your point...

Are you saying its quantity not quality ?
Someone should tell Korg that the concept of workstation is NO LONGER what it was when they came up with the M1 some 20+ years ago. Someone should say to them that workstations have been marginalized by computers (and for a damn good reason) and that not matter how hard they try to stuff 800 features in a single instrument and try to convince us, directly or otherwise, that our other instruments (or the ones we intend to buy) are kinda obsolete... there is already a generic type of instrument that is MUCH more flexible, open-end and customizable and it's called the COMPUTER.

After all it's all about more, in this case more RAM, more synth engines, more of everything. Not necessarily better but more.

What is also pathetic, is the WAY in which the demo was presented, as if Korg invented a really awesome and avant-guard synth. As if none of the things in KRONOS exist elsewhere. Putting them altogether doesn't make them heroes you know. They have neglected important features, like for instance, improving that archaic sequencer... Need I remind people here that what actually made the concept of workstation was the on-board sequencer? Or is it that Korg thought that "hey ok, we can't possibly beat Cubase/Logic, so why should give a f7ck? Let's just throw in there 9 engines, (as if they haven't milked those concepts in their various incarnations in Wavestation, Triton, Trinity, Karma, OASYS, practically everything they have made) and just hire for the 100000th time the I-am-starving-for-publicity-and-I-would-like-to-be-in-all-pathetic-synth-advertisments-call-me-Jordan-Rudess and present demos that are so lame that I would hesitate even having them as background music for 80's porn.

Nine synth engines in KRONOS? As in "order 2 pizzas and get a third one for free" or "order a KRONOS and get 9 synth engines for free"? Of course it's about quantity. Crank the resonance of their mediocre MS-20 emulation and you will hear why it's always about quantity and NOT quality. Crank the resonance on a vintage MS-20 and you will probably need a new roof.

100.000 note polyphony anyone?heh Of course it's about quantity. Well hello we have other instruments here in our studios and we want to use them, thank you very much.

HD? Are we serious or what? 12 GB of samples on a sampling system whose filter is so crap that it's not even funny? Can you f7cking believe that they still dare to release that monstrosity of a filter in an otherwise High Definition (according to them) system?

SSD and USB and my @ss. Where is the 40inch LED monitor that will re-define the world of synthesis? heh How long before workstations are sold by ... Dell and HP?

KARMA? Another cow that they have been milking for ages.

So all in all, we have more RAM and an SSD to load that admittedly awesome piano. How nice! We can now throw away our computers. Korg has done it again.
Old 18th January 2011
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But somehow analogue is better despite VA emulations that are just as good if not better. Gee, I got 40 synths wired in my studio sucking electricity so I am cool, but a guy who can actually COMPOSE an entire song on ONE (God forbid Digital) instrument is stupid. Gee... Wow, I am shocked.

On a more serious note, the thing that makes the Kronos very cool is the ability to use it as a scratch pad, and as a LIVE instrument it is very versatile and can get a lot done.

Korg hit a homerun. The entire point of Electronic Music is to COMPOSE music. Period. The Kronos gets that done and in spades. And screw resonance or what ever. Let's hear melodies, and rhythm , and decent lyrics. THAT is the point.

Oh and try dragging a computer to your next gig. Good luck with the VST loading, etc. There is a reason there is still a market. Gigging musicians, and people that want the immediacy of composition. You want to drag 10 synths to the gig to produce 10 voices of polyphony it is your back. Me, give me a "lame" Kronos....
Old 18th January 2011
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I dont get your point...

hehehe... well the future is not very far. Actually there is a machine that "replicates" objects like fork, glasses, plates etc. with a computer an database of thousands of objects. Its very crude and limited but it is a step towards Star Trek "replicator" , I dont rememebr its name you will have to google it, it has been presented in several scince documentaries. So who know , the day which we will be able to replicate our synths may not be so far away.
Yeah, I've read about that. So far, the only thing it can do is make a perfect copy of the Kronos in solid yellow resin... heh
Old 18th January 2011
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Same here,

although, alas, its two things for me. I want one, ...but annoyingly can't afford one. <sigh>
If you got one you could easily get rid of:

. Nord Lead 2x (plenty of VA power in Kronos)
. Roland JD800 (those VA and FM pads in Kronos should be enough!)
. Korg Prophecy
. Korg TR-606
. Korg TR-707
. Korg DDD-1
. Roland JX-10 + PG-800

...and I think you wouldn't miss them at all.
Old 18th January 2011
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Someone should tell Korg that the concept of workstation is NO LONGER what it was when they came up with the M1 some 20+ years ago. Someone should say to them that workstations have been marginalized by computers (and for a damn good reason) and that not matter how hard they try to stuff 800 features in a single instrument and try to convince us, directly or otherwise, that our other instruments (or the ones we intend to buy) are kinda obsolete... there is already a generic type of instrument that is MUCH more flexible, open-end and customizable and it's called the COMPUTER.
Obviously I disagree with you, but there's only one way of telling Korg this is a wanted product or not: by buying it or not. If it sells well (and I think it will) then you are wrong and Korg is right.

Don't be so high and lofty to think Korg doesn't know what computers are and what they are capable of doing... if they put this product out, it's because they think it's something people want. I for one, want it - and I wasn't considering a new workstation, I was going to go to a computer-based system in a year or so from now. But now I won't, this is much more interesting due to the integration and the lack of problems associated with maintaining a whole crapload of stuff from different vendors, and to keep all that stuff working together. Music should be FUN and this sounds like a LOT of fun.

By the way, someone should tell you your Challenger is obsolete too, they have soft synths that do that sound now (it's kind of the same principle, isn't it? You think something's important for you and it should be for everybody else, but something that's not important for you shouldn't be important for anybody. Hello! You're not the center of the universe, mr. YourDarkness...)
Old 18th January 2011
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If you got one you could easily get rid of:

. Nord Lead 2x (plenty of VA power in Kronos)
. Roland JD800 (those VA and FM pads in Kronos should be enough!)
. Korg Prophecy
. Korg TR-606
. Korg TR-707
. Korg DDD-1
. Roland JX-10 + PG-800

...and I think you wouldn't miss them at all.
Good point CR, thanks, but i've grown to love having all these synths and drum machines. I know them very well and feel very comfortable using them, ...and don't think I could lose them all at once. heh

Tbh, I'm hoping Korg will eventually put out a simpler version, including the synth engines (AL-1/MOD-7) + large amounts of knobage!!! possibly a replacement for the Radias?

To return the favour heh, from what I remember of your setup, you could possibly lose the Roland master keyboards (you had 2 if I remember rightly) and the Alesis Fusion and go for the 88 key version.

DON'T sell that EX8000 though!!!! lol
Old 18th January 2011
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To return the favour heh From what I remember of your setup, you could easily loose the Roland master keyboards (you had 2 if I remember rightly) and go for the 88 key. DON'T sell that EX8000 though!!!! lol
Oh yes, to make room for Kronos I will let go:

. Roland A-80
. Roland A-90
. Roland JV-2080
. Roland SRV-3030
. Yamaha REV-500
. Roland DDE-1000
. Digitech TSR-24 (I have 2, will keep 1)
. Tascam MS-16 (analog multi-track)
. Mackie 32x8 mixer (see, I will do entire productions within the Kronos... I just know that the sequencer will be improved, like they did on the M3)

Synths-wise, I will be keeping Alesis Fusion (I still like Alesis VA better than Korg, and I also have sample-based sounds in it that Kronos is not going to be able to replace, I think), Roland SH-201 (everybody needs supersaw...), Korg N1R & EX-8000.

Obviously, that will happen once I finish the project I'm currently working on, which should run the course of this year... so Kronos would come in around Christmas I think.

The hard part is, I won't be able to just leave an 88-keyboard at my church anymore, like I do now with the A-80 (that's why I have two 88-key boards). But it will be totally worth it!
Old 18th January 2011
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Oh yes, to make room for Kronos I will let go:

. Roland A-80
. Roland A-90
. Roland JV-2080
. Roland SRV-3030
. Yamaha REV-500
. Roland DDE-1000
. Digitech TSR-24 (I have 2, will keep 1)
. Tascam MS-16
. Mackie 32x8 mixer

Synths-wise, I will be keeping Alesis Fusion (I still like Alesis VA better than Korg, and I also have sample-based sounds in it that Kronos is not going to be able to replace, I think), Roland SH-201 (everybody needs supersaw...), Korg N1R & EX-8000.

Obviously, that will happen once I finish the project I'm currently working on, which should run the course of this year... so Kronos would come in around Christmas I think.

The hard part is, I won't be able to just leave an 88-keyboard at my church anymore, like I do now with the A-80 (that's why I have two 88-key boards). But it will be totally worth it!
Wow, quite a reshuffle!!

Tbh though, the Alesis Fusion was the original 'Game changer', alas, no one realised this at the time, which I think was a shame.

Good luck with the project. thumbsup
Old 18th January 2011
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Oh yes, to make room for Kronos I will let go:

. Roland A-80
. Roland A-90
. Roland JV-2080
. Roland SRV-3030
. Yamaha REV-500
. Roland DDE-1000
. Digitech TSR-24 (I have 2, will keep 1)
. Tascam MS-16 (analog multi-track)
. Mackie 32x8 mixer (see, I will do entire productions within the Kronos... I just know that the sequencer will be improved, like they did on the M3)
Things I'm "liquidating" for the Kronos (88 key):

* Korg M50-88 (hope I don't need to explain that one)

* Waldorf Blofeld (yes, I'll miss some of the quirkiness, but c'mon, I'll get 95% of those timbres out of the MOD-7)

* Roland MKS-70 (& a JX-8P which I still have lying around) (I WILL miss the MKS-70; I DO love that gorgeous soft string sound; but in a mix, it is -- to my ears at least -- essentially indistinguishable from Korg VA strings)

* Korg Polysix (yes, I will DEFINITELY miss that, and no, I'm not fooling myself into believing that the PolysixEX will make up for it; but you can't have everything, and I'm content, for the time being, to let the OB-8 handle analog polysynth duties )

* Ensoniq DP/4+ (cool unit, but if I really need to mangle sounds, I can run them through the 16 FX on the Kronos).

So this would leave me with a compact but powerful setup of Pro-One, OB-8, and Kronos 88 (and a Rumour, when I need that extra reverb power). If I can't make music with that, I'll have to take up another hobby...
Old 18th January 2011
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Things I'm "liquidating" for the Kronos (88 key):
* Korg Polysix (yes, I will DEFINITELY miss that, and no, I'm not fooling myself into believing that the PolysixEX will make up for it; but you can't have everything, and I'm content, for the time being, to let the OB-8 handle analog polysynth duties )
Yeah, I'd feel bad about letting that one go. I have the KLC software and it does a passable stab at the original, but I still would like the original in my setup. (at current prices, highly unlikely). Having SSM and CEM (Your OB8) is a beautiful pairing. I have Trident & OBXa, and they are a heavenly duo together.

... but, if its gotta go heh
Old 18th January 2011
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flat_earth: Thank you for the encouraging words, sir!

CfNorENa: I think you are spot on, on what you're selling - but you gotta use the heck out of the Kronos to make it be worth the trade. You know that 5 years from now, the Kronos is going to be worth 2K (down 1.6K) in price, and the analogs you are selling, will have gone up. M50 and Blofeld will go down in price too, but obviously not as much, since they are already much cheaper units.

Still, your Pro-One + OB-8 + Kronos setup will be KILLER heh
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