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Stupid problem with Logic 6.4.3 Virtual Instrument Plugins
Old 27th December 2010
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Stupid problem with Logic 6.4.3

Hi,
can someone please help me with Logic 6.4.3?

I am not very good at audio recording using Logic. What I have been
doing is using Logic to just run the MIDI side and I record using another
app called audacity, purely as a kind of demo recorder. But I need
to do this in Logic for the final run.

What I have done is "Armed" 8 Stereo Audio tracks ready to record then
I click on one of the audio tracks first, then select Pause and Record, and then start my Octopus, Audio is recorded onto the tracks as I wish, but, and here is the part that is stressing me out, when I select one one of my hardware synth tracks to play in live over the top of the Octopus, Logic automatically drops out of Audio Record mode and starts just recording the MIDI events on the new track.

This is not what I want at all. Can someone please tell me how to configure
Logic 6.4.3 to not drop out of Audio Recording when I deselect the track in the Arranger and clock on another one. I do not recall Logic working this way in the past and it is counterproductive. Any advice would be appreciated!


rachel
Old 27th December 2010
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maybe a midi note is triggering midi remote control of some function.
you can disable midi remote in the key commands page.

I would have thought that if 7 other audio tracks record without them being selected then being on a midi track with all the audio tracks armed for record should do what you want. e.g. try being on the midi track right off and then see if the Audio tracks will record from an armed status. if that works then everything should record if armed.

there's also a (capture take as recording command) which allows you not to have to have a midi track armed and it's still recorded when you stop. starting again though erases that buffer. needs to be run just after stop.

other than that, you could wire the physical input directly to the synth instrument. though that will bypass the physical input and so a capture of that midi won't happen.

I can't recall any command which is related to carrying on recording audio when another track is selected in the process.
I would suspect that a De-arming function is happening when you change tracks.
Old 27th December 2010
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Thanks for replying! I have solved it myself..... I forgot that you have
to Shift+Select a track when in Record mode and the spool is running!

Very non-intuitive and annoying. It is just that I have been so used to Logic
for years but do all my Audio in another realm!

I am wondering if I should get Ableton?
What is the MIDI support in Ableton like for hardware sequencing and
synths? What version of Ableton can still run on a G5 Mac and deliver
what I want?!


rachel
Old 27th December 2010
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Newer versions of logic are much better and intuitive but I guess since your using a G5 that kills that. Why not upgrade to a used intel Mac and run a newer version?
Old 27th December 2010
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Originally Posted by rachel View Post
Thanks for replying! I have solved it myself..... I forgot that you have
to Shift+Select a track when in Record mode and the spool is running!

Very non-intuitive and annoying. It is just that I have been so used to Logic
for years but do all my Audio in another realm!

I am wondering if I should get Ableton?
What is the MIDI support in Ableton like for hardware sequencing and
synths? What version of Ableton can still run on a G5 Mac and deliver
what I want?!


rachel
ahh right great .. one I forgot haha. haven't used that in a while.

I can't remember if live stopped supporting a G5. or if they did at what version.

Live is more intensive on the CPU than Logic.
Logic and cubase are really good with Midi but live isn't bad.

The easiest way to get to grips with Logic is to go to the key command page.
copy the key commands to clipboard. paste those into the text application and print them out. then run a colored marker over the ones that are interesting. you can design a whole custom set on paper then. makes a massive difference imo.

also the hyper edit is very very useful. though a little tricky to get used to. but once you do.

I like Live but in many ways I find it less intelligible than Logic. but I hate to try to compare them to be honest. Live is a great app. sometimes you get an ableton light application with certain pieces of hardware. though they will probably want some information about the hardware serial and place of purchase to get it registered.

but in the end though.. Logic and Cubase both have serious Midi grunt.
Old 28th December 2010
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FWIW, Logic 9 WILL run on a G5.

It's just not supported by Apple.
Even Logic 8 will be a SERIOUS step forward than Logic 6.....

Much more intuitive

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Old 28th December 2010
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I have Logic 8. I went back to 6.4.3 because 8 dumbed down the MIDI clock
input in Logic so it cannot be a slave anymore.

I want software that likes my hardware - not the other way around!
Ideally, I would not use a computer at all, but it is the most convenient way to record audio.


rachel
Old 28th December 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo555 View Post
FWIW, Logic 9 WILL run on a G5.

It's just not supported by Apple.
Yes, up to v9.0.2
After that it is strictly intel only. If bought now, you'd likely get V9.1+ disks. And I don't know how practical it is to get earlier versions of 9..
Old 28th December 2010
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I have Logic 8. I went back to 6.4.3 because 8 dumbed down the MIDI clock
input in Logic so it cannot be a slave anymore.

I want software that likes my hardware - not the other way around!
Ideally, I would not use a computer at all, but it is the most convenient way to record audio.


rachel
I didn't know they dropped the clock slaving. that's terrible news.

I went to V7 and stuck there. I think what I'm going to try to do at some stage is get an old OS9 powerbook 233 G3 laptop with a serial port and run that with old motu MTP AV's and use that as the Midi interface. use the Audio port and one Audio track for an SMPTE track OR the SMPTE Audio can can come from another more advanced DAW which acts as the Audio recorder.

a single Midi out from the more modern DAW plugged into the MTP AV can that way split out the midi channels and the 233 can be used with the most mature version of Motu clockworks.

maybe the USB Motu MPT AV is ok, but I heard they dropped some important features from clockworks on those.

Otherwise reliable Midi hardware syncing might bite the dust in years to come. SMPTE is one of the few constants I can think of.

what a drag though.
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