The No.1 Website for Pro Audio
 Search This Thread  Search This Forum  Search Reviews  Search Gear Database  Search Synths for sale  Search Gearslutz Go Advanced
elektron octatrak marketing video Effects Pedals, Units & Accessories
Old 19th December 2010
  #61
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meskis View Post
It doesn't do anything new. 8 internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable length tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year Elektron Warranty. This so 1990's..... fuuck
Did the MonoMachine or MachineDrum do anything new? No. They took the existing concept of an x0x sequencer, and polished it to a ridiculous sheen. How many synths out there really do ANYTHING new? I can think of two that came out in the last 2 years, and those were both flops because the very same idiots who criticize one company for not doing something "new" didn't have the mental capacity to imagine what they could actually do with said new technology.
Old 19th December 2010
  #62
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by boon View Post
[B]
listen to the demos on soundcloud. forget about he actual sounds since they are just example samples.. and listen to the processing and sequencing and use that thing between your ears to imagine what you could do with it if you had your own sounds in there.
That's asking way too much of some of the people on this forum. Some people won't like a piece of gear until their favorite electro-pop idol passes judgement on it. It's as if once certain synths find their way into a famous musician's studio, they attain new sonic qualities that they didn't have a week before.
Old 19th December 2010
  #63
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meskis View Post
It doesn't do anything new. 8 internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable length tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year Elektron Warranty. This so 1990's..... fuuck



what other real time hands on hardware sampler with real time everything and what is likely to be another brilliant interface existed in the 90's? or even now?

not to mention the external midi sequencing and micro nudging each step to where you want it.. keep in mind.. it's hardware..

but that's all irrelevant.. as bob moog said. "it's about the interface, stupid" heh
Old 19th December 2010
  #64
Gear Addict
 
target_destroyed's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meskis View Post
It doesn't do anything new. 8 internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable length tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year Elektron Warranty. This so 1990's..... fuuck
It doesn't do anything new in relation to what? Software? The same can be said about roughly anything. Name another hardware unit w/ similar specs, realtime time-stretch and variable track lengths, I'm interested.

What you don't seem to realize is that not everyone owns a laptop or even has a desire to use one live, or at all.

Let's see, a legit copy of Ableton for example is $400. Assuming you don't already own a laptop, a new Macbook is what, about $1,000? That's already in the Octatrack price range. But wait, part of the Octatrack's appeal is ease of use in a live scenario. If we're comparing features, that means the Mac is gonna need an audio/midi interface w/ at least 4 ins/4 outs ($200+), and you're probably gonna want a control surface ($100+), as I don't imagine realtime live sound mangling w/ a touchpad and 2 buttons is very optimal.

The Octatrack doesn't sound overpriced to me for doing what it does in a single compact unit.
Old 20th December 2010
  #65
DSK
Lives for gear
 
DSK's Avatar
+1 ^

It's all about the out of the box workflow...

You do your homework and make organic sounds patterns/dynamic entities and then live you unleash them...

This is what Elektron has always been for me..

I liked the first few clips that surfaced...

It didn't do the company any good as of hyping for the uneducated crowd that went wow when NI released mouth (as you just use your voice and feels soooo easy...right).. but for me it showed a performance device that can alter sound...and could be played like an instrument.

Coming from turntableism this is a next level. Just check out the crazy brazilians doing lo-fi ghetto tracks on Roland DJ 70. (I posted enough clips on another thread that's running now)

I didn't care for what the end result was so much... but for how that end result was obtained.. makes sense???*




*I see a device and imagine a complete virtual clone of it in my head... as much as I can as close as possible... then.. I picture my sounds... with those specs... I rarely am let down by stuff I get intrigued by...

and I'm rarely intrigued by stuff...

ok enough condescending nonsense ... so one last thing:

ELEKTRON I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO STAY... YOU DESERVE IT
Old 22nd December 2010
  #66
Here for the gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by boon View Post

it's a SAMPLER! it'll sound like whatever you put in it
. also, you can totally make grooves like that with the octatrack. that much is obvious. it allows for micro nudging of every step in a sequence and you can have different track lengths per 'instrument'.

also, forget about videos for a minute..

listen to the demos on soundcloud. forget about he actual sounds since they are just example samples.. and listen to the processing and sequencing and use that thing between your ears to imagine what you could do with it if you had your own sounds in there.
I understand how a sampler works, thank you.

What I'm saying is that most of the demos I've seen make the octatrack look clumsy and hard to control. I'm hoping this is not the case, because it looks like it could be pretty amazing.

I won't be the first to buy one. After the initial reviews come in, or if somehow it's available at a store near me for a demo, I will make my decision.
Old 22nd December 2010
  #67
Lives for gear
 
kilon's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by target_destroyed View Post

Let's see, a legit copy of Ableton for example is $400. Assuming you don't already own a laptop, a new Macbook is what, about $1,000? That's already in the Octatrack price range. But wait, part of the Octatrack's appeal is ease of use in a live scenario. If we're comparing features, that means the Mac is gonna need an audio/midi interface w/ at least 4 ins/4 outs ($200+), and you're probably gonna want a control surface ($100+), as I don't imagine realtime live sound mangling w/ a touchpad and 2 buttons is very optimal.

The Octatrack doesn't sound overpriced to me for doing what it does in a single compact unit.
Please people dont make these kinds of comparisons, please, pleeeeaaaaseeee

Its not likely that the octatrack will ever get a core duo processor, well it will be lucky if it had the 1/4th of the processor power a macbook air has. Function wise octatrack does not even have 0,00000001% of what a macbook can deliver.

Octatrack is expensive because they are going to sell in the end a handful of them, a macbook is 4 times cheaper compared to a octatrack because it is mass produced and that alone drops the price.

But yes I think its price is ok,octatrack that is, for what it tries to do.

But seriously , comparing a macbook with octatrack and trying to prove that macbook will be more expensive doing the same things, its plain insane.

Just give me the weakest macbook , my macbook air, and reaktor and I will smoke your octatrack any time. But yes , its seems like a nice product, the price is ok, but it came out at the wrong time. I find it hard to believe that people will spend money for it, especially now with the economical crisis. But I certainly see the apeal it may have to some "dance" artists.
Old 22nd December 2010
  #68
Gear Nut
 

You can't watch porn on the Octatrack

/thread
Old 22nd December 2010
  #69
Gear Addict
 
target_destroyed's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kilon View Post
Please people dont make these kinds of comparisons, please, pleeeeaaaaseeee

Its not likely that the octatrack will ever get a core duo processor, well it will be lucky if it had the 1/4th of the processor power a macbook air has. Function wise octatrack does not even have 0,00000001% of what a macbook can deliver.

Octatrack is expensive because they are going to sell in the end a handful of them, a macbook is 4 times cheaper compared to a octatrack because it is mass produced and that alone drops the price.

But yes I think its price is ok,octatrack that is, for what it tries to do.

But seriously , comparing a macbook with octatrack and trying to prove that macbook will be more expensive doing the same things, its plain insane.

Just give me the weakest macbook , my macbook air, and reaktor and I will smoke your octatrack any time. But yes , its seems like a nice product, the price is ok, but it came out at the wrong time. I find it hard to believe that people will spend money for it, especially now with the economical crisis. But I certainly see the apeal it may have to some "dance" artists.
I wasn't trying to infer that the Octatrack would somehow be more powerful than a macbook, which it obviously wouldn't. Just that at it's price point it seems like it will be a fantastic alternative for live sampling/sound mangling for those such as myself w/ no desire to use a laptop live.
Old 22nd December 2010
  #70
Lives for gear
 
kilon's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by target_destroyed View Post
I wasn't trying to infer that the Octatrack would somehow be more powerful than a macbook, which it obviously wouldn't. Just that at it's price point it seems like it will be a fantastic alternative for live sampling/sound mangling for those such as myself w/ no desire to use a laptop live.
I cant disagree with this.
Old 22nd December 2010
  #71
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ping panic View Post
You can't watch porn on the Octatrack

/thread
the octatrack IS porn
Old 22nd December 2010
  #72
Gear Addict
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by plaid_emu View Post
Now we know why a monomachine costs $1,500 USD.
This is what I thought.

No wonder Elektron's gear is overpriced.

I'd rather they shave a couple hundred off each unit
Old 22nd December 2010
  #73
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by thefunnel View Post
This is what I thought.

No wonder Elektron's gear is overpriced.

I'd rather they shave a couple hundred off each unit
i don't think their gear is over priced at all. people forget this is a small boutique company. they aren't cranking out roland gaia's or korg microkorgs.

elektron doesn't have the capital of those companies and i'm sure their business model is quite different.

if the machines aren't in your price range then buy a used one if you want one.

but again, i think you get what you pay for and they are excellent machines and there aren't many options out there for these types of things especially when considering the interfaces. these go past the "groove box" paradigm and really are electronic instruments

also, the point has been made already that this marketing video probaby cost next to nothing to make. you can make a feature length movie for $6000 these days with handheld DV cameras and by getting your friends involved.

besides, i'm sure, like most other businesses they have a marketing budget since marketing is important and is how a lot of people find out about gear. not everyone hangs out on the internet scouring websites and staying tuned in on all things gear related.. so, marketing is important.

i don't understand why people can't understand that simple fact.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #74
Lives for gear
 
duvalle's Avatar
 

Sorry, but:

Dream:


Reality:


dfegad
Old 23rd December 2010
  #75
This thing is awesome.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #76
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by duvalle View Post
Sorry, but:

dude.. being a little simplistic aren't you?
Old 23rd December 2010
  #77
Gear Addict
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ping panic View Post
You can't watch porn on the Octatrack
It only plays dystopian sci-fi.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #78
Gear Nut
 
wild modulation's Avatar
 

Quote:
Just give me the weakest macbook , my macbook air, and reaktor and I will smoke your octatrack any time.
i belive you'll eat those words
in a few months.

its laughable that you think a laptop and 1 sw
can slam dedicated hw from a company that makes
outstandingly creative, fast and fun gear with great ui.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #79
Lives for gear
 

Yes.for me the hardware(machinedrum ect)has a more distinctive sound overall.Actually by a long way.I could not replace my samplers with software or my synths.Its as if the individual units have there own life away from the desktop.A little goes a long way......
Old 23rd December 2010
  #80
Lives for gear
 
kilon's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wild modulation View Post
i belive you'll eat those words
in a few months.

its laughable that you think a laptop and 1 sw
can slam dedicated hw from a company that makes
outstandingly creative, fast and fun gear with great ui.
I am confused , alot.

First my post refered to features only and yet you quote it and you say that hardware is more creative, fast and fun gear . Sorry but I cannot see the connection. I dont see where we disagree.

Actually I completely agree with you , most probably octatrack is alot easier to use, alot more fun and lot more creative.

And you actually talking to a guy that he still work to a very large extend OTB.

I would assume most if not all regular poster in this forum are exactly like me. Afterall this is a hardware orientated forum .


Quote:
Originally Posted by duvalle View Post
Sorry, but:

Dream:


Reality:


dfegad
enjoy your victory while you can.

Until a music geek get his hand on this thing, upload an amazing video with it on youtube that will blow your mind.

Do you think that I bought my Motif, Andromeda, Blofeld etc. by watching Factory Videos ? those suck 10000 out of 10 times .

Motif demoes were all about pianos, blofeld's sounded too harsh, andromeda's too boring. But I found all these little gems in youtube by brilliant people who made those instruments sing and show their full potential. And I never regret any of my purchases.

Dont judge an instrumets by videos made by the manufacturer , its simple not fair. Judge it when people start using it and uploading videos to youtube. Then we will see what Octatrack is really about.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #81
Gear Guru
 
Yoozer's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild modulation View Post
i belive you'll eat those words
in a few months.

its laughable that you think a laptop and 1 sw
can slam dedicated hw from a company that makes
outstandingly creative, fast and fun gear with great ui.
Fun and a great UI, sure!

But let's not ignore what this already does right now.



It's not really compact, though, and because the few gearspotters can't see the screen they automatically assume that you must be checking your e-mail.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #82
Gear Addict
 

Personally, I will buy the octa only after I see a youtube of musictrackjp goin' buckwild on the crossfader. stike
Old 23rd December 2010
  #83
Lives for gear
 
duvalle's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kilon View Post
Do you think that I bought my Motif, Andromeda, Blofeld etc. by watching Factory Videos ? those suck 10000 out of 10 times .
no idea why you bought your gear ...

but if the first video is as epic as a promotion video can possibly be and the real demo video sucks - i think it's worth pointing out.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #84
Here for the gear
 

Why all the bitching that video kicks ass!!!! YEAH ELEKTRON GOT THEIR SWAG ON!!
Old 23rd December 2010
  #85
Lives for gear
 
laikenf's Avatar
 

Gotta say, that beat at 4:12 is f#[email protected] KILLER!!...
Old 23rd December 2010
  #86
Lives for gear
 

The video is meant to be a teaser and hype generator. I think it succeeded on both counts.

After looking at the specs I want an Octatrack more than I want a MachineDrum. I can use the 8 MIDI tracks to trigger an MBase and/or MBrane, a Virus, and possibly some other sound module, plug a couple through the Octatrack to abuse it's sounds some, and still have some internal tracks left over for samples I make myself via the computer or some other module to store on the CF card.

I think this will be a perfect hardware setup for me :D I've been wanting to ditch the laptop for a few months, now, I just can't stand sitting in front of it tweaking soft synths anymore. :(
Old 23rd December 2010
  #87
Lives for gear
 

so it's coming down to hardware software debate again? that's not what this is about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoozer View Post
Fun and a great UI, sure!

But let's not ignore what this already does right now.



It's not really compact, though, and because the few gearspotters can't see the screen they automatically assume that you must be checking your e-mail.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #88
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kilon View Post

Just give me the weakest macbook , my macbook air, and reaktor and I will smoke your octatrack any time.
unless you have no talent then it doesn't matter what you use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kilon View Post
But yes , its seems like a nice product, the price is ok, but it came out at the wrong time. I find it hard to believe that people will spend money for it, especially now with the economical crisis. But I certainly see the apeal it may have to some "dance" artists.
people don't stop making things when there are hard economic times. there are still enough people doing "just fine" financially to support a product like this. look at moog's $5k voyager XL for example.

i have no problem seeing why people will be stoked for something like this. using a hardware device that you can jam with is something A LOT of people like to do and it doesn't matter that reaktor or whatever can do a million other things... it's about the interface and the user and who prefers what when it comes to making music.

btw - i use reaktor and lot's of software but i love using hardware machines with sequencers. it's a load of fun. not to say that i'll be jumping on the octatrack any time soon but it looks promising.

anyway - let the hype and hater posts continue.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #89
Lives for gear
 

I'm a huge fan of the sequencer myself. I don't know if Elektron is going to update the MonoMachine or MachineDrum to support similar features, but microtiming and individual sequence lengths/time signatures were both major selling points for me.
Old 23rd December 2010
  #90
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by KrisM View Post
I'm a huge fan of the sequencer myself. I don't know if Elektron is going to update the MonoMachine or MachineDrum to support similar features, but microtiming and individual sequence lengths/time signatures were both major selling points for me.
that by itself is giving me major wood too.

there is a post on the elektron-users.com forum about each 'session' or whatever will have 80MB of RAM to go along with all the streaming you can do from whatever size CF card you put in it.

pretty awesome.
Post Reply

Welcome to the Gearslutz Pro Audio Community!

Registration benefits include:
  • The ability to reply to and create new discussions
  • Access to members-only giveaways & competitions
  • Interact with VIP industry experts in our guest Q&As
  • Access to members-only sub forum discussions
  • Access to members-only Chat Room
  • Get INSTANT ACCESS to the world's best private pro audio Classifieds for only USD $20/year
  • Promote your eBay auctions and Reverb.com listings for free
  • Remove this message!
You need an account to post a reply. Create a username and password below and an account will be created and your post entered.


 
 
Slide to join now Processing…
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
fastestmanalive / Electronic Music Instruments and Electronic Music Production
0
Mr. Man / Geekslutz forum
12
natpub / So much gear, so little time
9

Forum Jump
Forum Jump