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Old 25th March 2010
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+1

It seems such a shame that Roland are happy to keep rehashing the same tired old JP8000 era synthesis technology.
if only they'd rehash the synths people actually care about (sh-101/jp8/juno/etcetceect)

oh well. It could be worse, they could have named their synth something stupider. oh wait.

"Our world is in peril! Gaia, the spirit of the earth, can no longer stand the terrible destruction plaguing our planet. She sends 5 magic rings to 5 special young people - Kwame from Africa, the power of Earth. From North America, Wheeler, with the power of Fire. From the Soviet Union, Linka, with the power of Wind. From Asia, Gi, with the power of Water. And from South America, Ma-ti with the power of Heart. When the 5 powers combine, they summon Earth's greatest champion, Captain Planet - Go Planet! The power is yours!"
Old 25th March 2010
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"Our world is in peril! Gaia, the spirit of the earth, can no longer stand the terrible destruction plaguing our planet. She sends 5 magic rings to 5 special young people - Kwame from Africa, the power of Earth. From North America, Wheeler, with the power of Fire. From the Soviet Union, Linka, with the power of Wind. From Asia, Gi, with the power of Water. And from South America, Ma-ti with the power of Heart. When the 5 powers combine, they summon Earth's greatest champion, Captain Planet - Go Planet! The power is yours!"
OMFG, I'd forgotten all about that show. lol.
Old 25th March 2010
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I love the way this thing is bashed around here. Nobody has played it yet.
It gets bashed because straight away from the demos you can hear that horrible SH-201/Juno G tone.
Old 25th March 2010
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blech.

do not want.
Old 25th March 2010
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man that demo is so lame
Old 25th March 2010
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It gets bashed because straight away from the demos you can hear that horrible SH-201/Juno G tone.
that and its outmoded by every other VA i've seen on the market. i'd rather have a micron.
Old 25th March 2010
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but it sure seems like a lot of people are being overly cynical and acting pretty spoiled...

It's my opinion that this is a pretty dang impressive synth for the money! It certainly seems well-balanced and technologically appropriate for the times. How can people really be that bothered or let down by such a product?

In the analog days, a machine of this caliber couldn't have existed, or would've cost a literal fortune. Up until recently in the VA world (remember this is only the last 15 years, people), a VA synth could not have had anywhere near as many voices or concurrent effects for anywhere near this price.

It just seems to me that this synth is a very logical progression of capabilities, features and price for the current day.

64 voices! A 3-stacked-tone architecture that is easily accessed with a single button press! Knobs/sliders for all parameters, no menus! A bunch of concurrent effects! Small and light! Runs on batteries! Audio over USB for D/A/D-conversion-free recording!

Opinions on its design or the sound of its engine aside, what's the exact problem here? How can people be so spoiled so as to think that this is a poor product?

I for one think it's pretty excellent!

(I think the raw oscillators sound great, though I agree that the filter only sounds OK, and that there is quite a bit of HF hash that the Roland dude left in some of the sounds. A LOT of VA's have issues regarding the quality of their higher frequencies, and you certainly can't single out Roland as the only company doing a less-than-stellar job there.......)
Old 25th March 2010
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Opinions on its design or the sound of its engine aside, what's the exact problem here?
I think that's the problem, some people think it's ugly, others think it sounds like ****, and some think both. heh
Old 25th March 2010
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I think that's the problem, some people think it's ugly, others think it sounds like ****, and some think both. heh
I think that judging the sound of a synth based off of some marketing guy's patches/demos through lossy audio compression is pretty ignorant, no? Thus I find premature negative attitudes regarding its sound quality to be pretty laughable and easily-dismissed.
Old 25th March 2010
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I think that judging the sound of a synth based off of some marketing guy's patches/demos through lossy audio compression is pretty ignorant, no? Thus I find premature negative attitudes regarding its sound quality to be pretty laughable and easily-dismissed.
i wouldn't take us all so seriously - we're all just having a jab at it for the fun of it . They put SH- in the name of a synth which bears little to no resemblance of any vintage SH- synth. I think they practically gave us a license to do this. heh

that said, I am still curious what people will think once it actually is in the hands of the general public. Might be useful for touring on the road or something, rather than having all the vintage synths get beatup :P
Old 25th March 2010
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I think that judging the sound of a synth based off of some marketing guy's patches/demos through lossy audio compression is pretty ignorant, no? Thus I find premature negative attitudes regarding its sound quality to be pretty laughable and easily-dismissed.
Then we're both ignorant, me for saying I dont like the sound, you for saying you do like the sound.
Old 25th March 2010
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I think that judging the sound of a synth based off of some marketing guy's patches/demos through lossy audio compression is pretty ignorant, no? Thus I find premature negative attitudes regarding its sound quality to be pretty laughable and easily-dismissed.
*shrug* Fair enough, though I personally didn't say anything negative about this synth, other than I'm not interested in another VA as I already have that area covered in my setup.
Old 25th March 2010
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Then we're both ignorant, me for saying I dont like the sound, you for saying you do like the sound.
True, you did catch me being a bit hypocritical there... Oops! Where's the embarrassed smiley?

I HAVE heard the SH-201 and think it sounds pretty decent, no worse than a lot of other VA's, but I can't believe the disproportionate amount of hate it gets. I guess that's partly responsible for me feeling a bit of a need to defend Roland's recent products against a lot of, what I feel to be unjust, criticism.

I admit that some of the sounds in this demo appear to be on the poorer side of VA territory, but I think that a lot of them are on the pretty-dang-good side too. The demoer could've done a better job filtering out some of the highs and making cleaner more euphonic tones, but ultimately I realize this is just a demo, through lossy compression, and that nobody can properly judge the sound of this unit until they get it in their own hands.

So ultimately I'm displaying disbelief that people can be so certain that this thing doesn't sound good, on the first day of its release. Lump that in with a seemingly negligible appreciation for the many decent things this synth appears to do well at this price point, and I just felt that there was an undue negative vibe towards this synth.

I apologize if I took a bit of misstep and for not presenting my arguments in a more fair and unbiased debate. Pobody's nerfect! heh
Old 25th March 2010
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No, Ry-fi, it's just rare to see such an eloquent post on Gearslutz. heh

Very tempted by this, I already have a KS-4, but ... semi-portable 3-part VA? With that interface? Hmm... tempting.
Old 25th March 2010
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I am a devoted Roland-hater.

However, I admit I like the way this synth looks, and I think the interface is one of the best interfaces Roland has produced in ages. And its also interesting to have stacked effects and a phrase recorder. But based on those crappy demos, I don't like the sound. But I'll give it a chance once it lands in stores.
Old 25th March 2010
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*shrug* Fair enough, though I personally didn't say anything negative about this synth, other than I'm not interested in another VA as I already have that area covered in my setup.
Gotcha, I kind of caught you in the middle of that - Sorry, no offense meant. Not wanting another VA is certainly a valid reason to not be excited.
Old 25th March 2010
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i wouldn't take us all so seriously - we're all just having a jab at it for the fun of it . They put SH- in the name of a synth which bears little to no resemblance of any vintage SH- synth. I think they practically gave us a license to do this. heh
This issue that people seem to take with Roland's current naming strategies is fascinating. I realize tons of people resent the use of the Juno badge on their current romplers, the use of '303' on the MC, and now the use of the 'SH' on the -201 and -01, but I have to say I just don't get it.

I had the great fortune of shooting the **** with a Roland Canada product specialist for about 45 minutes a few years back. This guy was a proud employee, and happened to have a massive synth collection containing a number of Roland classics.

One thing we talked about was Roland's current public perception issues, and he told me that Roland was well aware of all the flack they were taking from re-using the Juno and SH names, but that they just couldn't understand what people were so upset about. We pretty much agreed there.

"Juno" or "SH" isn't meant to mean "analog" or "a classic from the 80's only" or "we're playing psychological warfare by bastardizing a classic badge with a current crop of garbage products, and raping your childhood". From Roland's perspective, "Juno" and "SH" mean certain things, and those apply regardless of the decade or the underlying technology (ie. analog/digital). And I get that. And apparently Japan gets that too, which is why Roland keeps it up. It's North America that seems to take more offense to this, and it troubles Roland.

Anyways, this is what the dude told me, and I certainly believe it and I understand it.

Roughly, and this is just from what I gather, "Juno" is meant to be synonymous with "affordable but powerful for the money, feature-rich with a few compromises", while "SH" is more like "smaller, performance oriented, clean interface, easily tweakable". Along the same lines, "Jupiter" is more towards the "this is our flagship" end.

This totally makes sense to me, and I couldn't imagine bashing Roland just for using the name "SH" in 2010, when the product seems to embody the same exact connotations of product categorization as it did 30-some years ago.........
Old 25th March 2010
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No, Ry-fi, it's just rare to see such an eloquent post on Gearslutz. heh

Very tempted by this, I already have a KS-4, but ... semi-portable 3-part VA? With that interface? Hmm... tempting.
Aww shucks, thanks! heh (Hardly eloquent I reckon, but I'll play along)

And yes, very tempting indeed! The portability and tweakability is VERY, very cool. I certainly don't need another synth, but at some point down the road this could sure make a ton of sense. I'll be paying attention to this one big time, and will definitely take it for a spin when it hits the gear shops.
Old 25th March 2010
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i don't care what name they use, personally. as im no particular retro fetishist. could personally care less if they released a big ugly uneditable rompler engine in case replicas of 303's or whatever. don't care. rape the past for all i care. ive got other things to worry about than somebody destroying their own legacy. i don't even really care what my gear looks like either. bring on the ugly. i'll take it.

what i do care about is that they only give us 2 outputs on a 3 part synth. it would have been almost just as cheap to manufacture with 3 outs. it's also as you say a "performance synth" which imo has always been an excuse for feature rollbacks and thusly i usually hate "performance synths". maybe in the analog days when you had discrete components, that argument had some weight. not anymore. the only thing stopping them is getting some yahoo to program it. my scorn doesn't end with the big 3 either when it comes to this issue. i hated the nord lead for the exact same reasons.

so i repeat. do not want.
Old 25th March 2010
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This issue that people seem to take with Roland's current naming strategies is fascinating. I realize tons of people resent the use of the Juno badge on their current romplers, the use of '303' on the MC, and now the use of the 'SH' on the -201 and -01, but I have to say I just don't get it.
What Roland is doing with names is called beating the dead cow.

And most of people don't like seeing that.
Old 25th March 2010
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What Roland is doing with names is called beating the dead cow.

And most of people don't like seeing that.
Shouldn't that be flogging a dead horse?
Old 25th March 2010
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can it load custom wav forms?
Old 25th March 2010
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What Roland is doing with names is called beating the dead cow.

And most of people don't like seeing that.
or milking a dead cow.... ew....
Old 25th March 2010
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This was posted to AH recently, it shows where Roland is coming from these days:

Old 25th March 2010
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Toy-ish and probably sounds like one......
Old 25th March 2010
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It looks to me like the Synthesizer Editor of the SonicCell turned into hardware. Same choice of oscillators. Same filters. Same little envelope picture. Very similar lfos. Very similar graphics. Which would make their "new audio engine" not very new at all. Meh.

It doesn't even have a chuffing vocoder.
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Old 25th March 2010
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where's acid labs

take that axe frame, stuff a bombass in it, replace keys with ribbon for note and stick cutoff / res in modulation bar, paint it black with flames and skull decals, add a giant overdrive knob and that is something that would be playable in a bar.
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where's acid labs

take that axe frame, stuff a bombass in it, replace keys with ribbon for note and stick cutoff / res in modulation bar, paint it black with flames and skull decals, add a giant overdrive knob and that is something that would be playable in a bar.
glue razor blades to one side
Old 25th March 2010
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i watched the vids... can it make any sounds that dont sound like an audition for the Rainbow Bright theme song? seriously, it's like they set out to make THE cheesy 80s synth
Old 25th March 2010
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BUY THE NEW ROLAND YAWNFEST8000 TODAY!!!

Yes you too can now do the same thing you were doing in 1994 or whatever! ALSO D-BEAM!
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