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Is working at 44khz bad? and how does it effect plugins?
Old 28th June 2009
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Old 28th June 2009
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I can explain.
After testing a lot of softsynths i can conclude that most (!!) softsynths do not produce bandlimited signals.
So there usually is aliasing all over the place at 44.1kHz.
Bandlimited signals, meaning...the soft synth is producing frequencies that don't reproduce (well) @ 44.1kHz?
Old 28th June 2009
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Bandlimited signals, meaning...the soft synth is producing frequencies that don't reproduce (well) @ 44.1kHz?
if you read the manual of Waldorf Q page.60, or search wiki
you will notice that...
waveforms: Square, Triangle, Saw, are just Sine Waves with Sine harmonics in specific levels and frequencies.

Square waveforms are just Sine waves with Sine odd harmonics
Saw waves are Sine Waves with even harmonics.
etc...

in AC circuit/signals the diference its the harmonics.
thats becouse audio is an AC Alternate Current signal.
if it were a DC Direct Current signal, things would be different.

The more harmonics the more Accurate or perfect its the Waveform.
if you try to reproduce a high note, it has harmonics that go beyound the 22050Hz, the nyquist limit of 44.1Khz, so...
those harmonics hit a wall and foldback.
creating a brighter sound, but if the wordclock has too much jitter, those harmonics create harmonic cancelations at the AD/DA chip, making a strange collapsed sound.
so a higher sample rate is not necesary better, becouse it needs a more accurate wordclock to avoid harmonic cancelations.
0.10ps jitter clock minium are required for 192khz 24-Bits.
or the aperture error will ocurr.
but some low level converters do sound much better at double sample rates becouse the filter design in the AD/DA chips.

thats also why a silver cable is required "better than 99.997% OFC" is needed for wordclock/spdif/aes/ebu at double or quad sample rates, becouse wordclock signals are an Square waveform too with lots of harmonics over the 4.2Mhz signal.
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Old 28th June 2009
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Bandlimited signals, meaning...the soft synth is producing frequencies that don't reproduce (well) @ 44.1kHz?
It means that the synth tries to produce frequencies above the Nyquist rate (samplerate / 2).
That produces aliasing.
If you need it to be at 44.1 then you need to record it at a higher samplerate and do a proper down conversion.
Or use good softsynths.
Old 28th June 2009
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the only reason mac is more secure is those who make malware mostly do so for the windows os not mac. there's nothing 'better' about the security of a mac OS.

if you were having problems with your PC and viruses, that's your problem, not windows. you mention 3 checkers but you didn’t mention a firewall. if you've got no firewall you're up **** creak. a properly respected and maintained windows system is safe. eg on the other hand if you're downloading P2P its very easy to pic up viruses.


WHAT!!!!

You are so wrong, unix is based on years and years of military type security. OSX does not allow apps to write over system files, SYSTEM FOLDER ANYONE, windows will let anything write over it's .dll files. That right there is a huge problem.

Put your foot in your mouth now.. thank you.
Old 28th June 2009
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WHAT!!!!

You are so wrong, unix is based on years and years of military type security. OSX does not allow apps to write over system files, SYSTEM FOLDER ANYONE, windows will let anything write over it's .dll files. That right there is a huge problem.

Put your foot in your mouth now.. thank you.
Riiiight.
And getting root is impossible .
Dream on.



And in fact, one of the most safest NIXes is BSD, which is a Berkley project, not military.
And in fact, unix was originaly developed at AT&T , not military.
Old 28th June 2009
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anyway...
i like more WinXP MCE rollup2, or XP SP2.

OSX are too heavy and complex "graphic intensive" for common CPU, 4GB Ram and normal HDDs.
too much icons, and shadows, and stuff that eats the CPU and the Ram.
and takes more time to load.

and there are amazing anti-virus and anti-malware for PC.
and you can tweak and optimize the PC more.
Old 28th June 2009
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Viruses are written for the PC mainly because... mainly people use a PC if you take in the percentage of pc vs Mac users. Mac's can get viruses, there are plenty floating about... but the money is in PC viruses because that's where most of the computer users are.
Old 28th June 2009
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too much icons, and shadows, and stuff that eats the CPU and the Ram.
and takes more time to load.
No, I'm fairly sure that's what Quartz Extreme has been invented for, which offloads that job to the graphics card.

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and there are amazing anti-virus and anti-malware for PC.
And it'd be even more amazing if you wouldn't have to run them in the first place, which is exactly why you should have a separate computer for internet duties.

What matters is the application. You're not working with Windows or OS X - you're working with Logic, Cubase, Live, Sonar, FL Studio, whatever. You pick the computer it runs on, because you'll invest far more time in the application than in the computer's OS.
Old 28th June 2009
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OSX are too heavy and complex "graphic intensive" for common CPU, 4GB Ram and normal HDDs.
too much icons, and shadows, and stuff that eats the CPU and the Ram.
and takes more time to load.
That is done on the graphics card.
Welcome to the 21st century!
Old 28th June 2009
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WHAT!!!!

You are so wrong, unix is based on years and years of military type security. OSX does not allow apps to write over system files, SYSTEM FOLDER ANYONE, windows will let anything write over it's .dll files. That right there is a huge problem.

Put your foot in your mouth now.. thank you.
ive put my foot in my mouth a couple of times on this forum, but not on this thread.
man... whatever peace
Old 28th June 2009
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That is done on the graphics card.
Welcome to the 21st century!
my point is that OSX is slow, and same plugins sounds a bit diferent.
Vista also is slower than XP sp2 or MCE rollup2. around 120sec.
Windows7 boots around 50sec.


Old 28th June 2009
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my point is that OSX is slow, and same plugins sounds a bit diferent.
Vista also is slower than XP sp2 or MCE rollup2. around 120sec.
Windows7 boots around 50sec.
Boot time is not very important for my music making...
Old 28th June 2009
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i think those Solid State HDD vs HDD videos are very misleading to the point you're trying to make.
Old 28th June 2009
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those vids are ridiculous..

my macbook black switches off in close to 2 seconds, would love to see a solid state anything beating that


to be honest though, the new macbook with SSD drive blew me away (think its a macbook pro now ???) ... not a single damn noise coming out of the thing. stuck my ear to it and still heard absolutely nothing.
Old 28th June 2009
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Mac, PC, whatever.

make music.

I know why i switched, if the pc works for you, more power to you. but to claim its better, well who cares. they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Old 28th June 2009
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I bought an SSD drive for my PC, it's one of the slower ones 130mb read 90mb write.... loading Kontakt 3 250mb piano sample takes just over 2 secs far quicker than my normal HD.

Boot times are awesome, it's so much faster than it was before.
Old 28th June 2009
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One of the easiest ways to avoid getting malware on your computer is to avoid porn sites. I know Brazilian Fart Porn is hard to resist, but you have to save that for your internet computer and leave the DAW computer to just being a DAW.
Old 29th June 2009
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Mac, PC, whatever.

make music.
Exactly.

I'm honestly gasping at the latest claim that some plug-ins sound better on a PC.
You must have the most incredible ears.
Pretty much all the top studios use Pro Tools HD on a Mac platform.
Old 29th June 2009
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SPEED AND VOLUME ON A BUDGET:
i use 2X standard 7200rpm SATA3 500 gig drives linked with the RAID-0 protocol.

in effect this gives me 1TB drive running at 14400rpm. so all my programs/data load at twice the speed of a standard drive. this makes the whole deal half as painful
Old 29th June 2009
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And half as reliable, too, because if one disk craps out, you're pretty much screwed. I wouldn't use it for projects.
Old 29th June 2009
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And half as reliable, too, because if one disk craps out, you're pretty much screwed. I wouldn't use it for projects.
which is why i have a 3rd standard 1TB drive to image the raid volume. all my data's backed up and i can re-boot from a total drive failure in 10 mins. including all my progs already installed, everything exactly how it was.

also pick decent branded drives and there's very little danger of failure in the first place. (at least for a few years)
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