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808/909 alternative? Drum Machines & Samplers
Old 6th September 2008
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808/909 alternative?

I write trance/acid music and would like a drum machine with a powerful kick/snare. I've always used samples playing either directly from cubase or from an S6000 and I fancy something new to fiddle with

I would love an 808/909 but wouldn't we all...

At this moment my options are :-

buy a Vermona DRM1 right now (and maybe an Mbase01 or MFB502 to go with it)

buy a Jomox Mbase01 and an MFB502 or 503 right now

carry on saving for a Jomox Xbase 888 or 999.

my finger is more or less about to click the Vermona but as I can't demo any of them apart from online mp3 demos, you can imagine my apprehension.

Can anyone help on which would give me the best sound for my cash.

I'm not too bothered about making strange noises as I just want a hard hitting drum sound.

cheers
Old 6th September 2008
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Nevermind...

just ordered the Vermona DRM1
Old 7th September 2008
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Try a Roland R8 with 808/909 expansion cards.


Also, they sound terrific and the sequencing features make it a great machine.
Old 7th September 2008
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Elektron Machinedrum
Old 7th September 2008
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Nevermind...

just ordered the Vermona DRM1
Good choice thumbsup personally cant stand any of the jomox stuff.
Old 7th September 2008
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Good choice thumbsup personally cant stand any of the jomox stuff.
To be honest , I like what I've heard of the Jomox stuff but for that money I might as well pick up a 909.

Still might order the Mbase though depending on how good or bad the kicks out of the vermona are.

RE: Machinedrum... very tempting, I'll probably get one sooner or later.
Old 7th September 2008
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Try a Roland R8 with 808/909 expansion cards.


Also, they sound terrific and the sequencing features make it a great machine.
+1
My fave for years. I know so many who used it over the years too. A machine you can make your own.
The R8 MKII is the one if you can. More memory and those samples built in.
Old 7th September 2008
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+1
My fave for years. I know so many who used it over the years too. A machine you can make your own.
The R8 MKII is the one if you can. More memory and those samples built in.
Yeah but they are samples aren't they ?

would there be any difference in my S6000 playing samples or that drum box playing samples ?
Old 7th September 2008
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Yeah but they are samples aren't they ?

would there be any difference in my S6000 playing samples or that drum box playing samples ?
You are right that they are still samples, so that is the issue. I just liked the Roland samples (and still do)
For me it never was an issue and I had access to all machines. I still have the 808 and that is harder to get right but even then I swapped between R8 and 808 for years without worrying..
The Roland has it's own sound. If you want identical to an 808/909 then you have to get the real thing
The sequencer in the R8 is what makes it great to me and as I mentioned, many artists I worked with used them over the years.

For me once you leave the "real" thing, it's never going to be the same, so I embrace the features that the replacement has and don't worry how accurate the samples are.

A real 808 or 909 is a thing of beauty however
Old 7th September 2008
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Why not spend a few dollars more fore a used Drumstation? That's a great combination together with the Vermona and a used MBase.

Cheers,
Bert
Old 7th September 2008
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Try a Roland R8 with 808/909 expansion cards.


Also, they sound terrific and the sequencing features make it a great machine.
I used to use a Roland R-70 for the same thing..
Old 7th September 2008
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To be honest , I like what I've heard of the Jomox stuff but for that money I might as well pick up a 909.

Still might order the Mbase though depending on how good or bad the kicks out of the vermona are.

RE: Machinedrum... very tempting, I'll probably get one sooner or later.
Sure thats cool, each to his own. I much, much prefer the vermona. Machinedrum is a modern classic too.
Old 7th September 2008
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I used to use a Roland R-70 for the same thing..
Nice machines. I still favor the R8 because of a few features and it sounds a bit bigger to me, but the R70 is indeed great.
Old 7th September 2008
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The Yamaha RY30 is a killer drum machine as well.

Old 7th September 2008
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Yes! RY30 with it's wheels is fun.
Have one of them too.
In fact of the digital machines I find R8, R-70 and RY30 all to be very worthy machines.
Old 7th September 2008
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a sampler and this library for around 10 €
Tape808

very nice! thumbsup
Old 8th September 2008
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You want the sound of a 808 909?...get the real thing and be done with it!!
Old 8th September 2008
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I would if they weren't so silly priced.

Nearly £3k for an 808/909/303... thats nearly 6 months worth of beer money !
Old 8th September 2008
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I think the Quasimidi 309 is actually quite a good drum machine with tweakable 808/909 drum sounds. They go quite cheap these days. Combined with an XOXBOX and you have close enough to an 808/909/303 combination.
Old 8th September 2008
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I would if they weren't so silly priced.

Nearly £3k for an 808/909/303... thats nearly 6 months worth of beer money !
Lol yeah they are quite pricey BUT they will only get ore expensive so it is a real investment. You can buy one at a time. buy them in the US, your money is way stronger so even with shipping they are a lot cheaper here.
Plus you will never have to buy some clones wondeing if they sound closer to the original.
I Tried many different clones and none sounded like my 909 808 or even less tb 303.
I know they are expensive but it's like buying a collector's car. somebody along the way will pay double what you paid for.
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I think the Quasimidi 309 is actually quite a good drum machine with tweakable 808/909 drum sounds. They go quite cheap these days. Combined with an XOXBOX and you have close enough to an 808/909/303 combination.

Damn straight!
Old 8th September 2008
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I would if they weren't so silly priced.

Nearly £3k for an 808/909/303... thats nearly 6 months worth of beer money !
I'd suggest cutting down on your beer intake by about 1/3 for 6 months and buy either an 808 or a 909....it's going to be a challenge, I understand cos I'm Australian.

The Jomox stuff is great sounding stuff. It's kinda a modern take on the 909 and to a lesser extent the 808. Alot of the sound is down to the envelopes which engauge every time the instrument is triggered, this was also a part of the Roland X0X stuff. Samples just don't sound the same..
Old 8th September 2008
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I would if they weren't so silly priced.

Nearly £3k for an 808/909/303... thats nearly 6 months worth of beer money !

Ok...A friend asked me to get him those exact boxes and after a little bit of ebaying and looking in music papers I got all three for:

808 £650 near mint.. Uk ebay
909 £600, needed cleaning(smoky): Italian ebay
303 with kenton pro 2000 £850. Music paper

Sold the pro 2000 for £250 :o)

Total = £1850

That was only one month ago. Not small change I know but if you search it's out there.
Old 8th September 2008
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I think the OP wanted analog and the Drumstation is a VA drum machine w/samples.
Did he? I think he didn't say so.
I really don't care about the method of sound generation (hell, I still don't know if the SID is analog or digital!).

In that case I won't even think of suggesting MicroTonic (because it's software)...

Cheers,
Bert
Old 8th September 2008
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Did he? I think he didn't say so.
I really don't care about the method of sound generation (hell, I still don't know if the SID is analog or digital!).

In that case I won't even think of suggesting MicroTonic (because it's software)...

Cheers,
Bert
err actually I said I had already ordered the vermona on the 2nd post... but it's ok , you can carry on without me

I was after an analogue drum and will probably get another in a few months.

After seeing the prices space station picked up the roland x0x triplets for , I think I'll get the originals.


[off topic] how long does thomann take to deliver to UK usually if the order went on this morning ?
Old 8th September 2008
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I once owned a Novation Drumstation - I thought it sounded terrible - sold it.
Old 8th September 2008
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I once owned a Novation Drumstation - I thought it sounded terrible - sold it.
I've not heard a drumstation but I have a supernova 2 - which has 4 full banks of analogish drum sounds. I'm not sure if the sounds are the same as the drum stations?
Old 8th September 2008
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I have not seen anyone list plug ins. I guess you are probably looking for real 808 and 909 clones or at least hardware but you did not specify. If software is ok then the D16 group stuff is very nice. Excellent software emulations for an affordable price. The prices the 808's and 909's are going for are collectors prices. They are not worth that for what they do IMO.
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I agree with chrisso, they sound bad. I used to use it with an old TR 505 to program it. It was that 909 ish style of editing, with the drumstation sounds. Was cool until I actually got the real deal, then sold it promptly.


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Old 9th September 2008
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woohoo

Just also landed an immaculate 909 for £400

I collect it on thursday, cant wait... unfortunately I've also got my DRM1 arriving too , so my bank account is officially unhappy
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