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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
  #901
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I think it's time to lock this unpleasant thread and move on with our lives.
Ok Uli
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
  #902
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What ever your opinion, voting with your dollars is the only power you can exercise here. If people snub this and it flops they'll not do it again. But if the TD-3 succeeds they'll focus efforts there. That's really the only thing a company like this will consider.
Yeah, that's a point. Nevertheless, this latest move, combined with other factors, makes me not want to support this company.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
  #903
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may one ask about what you are a fanboy, and especially what that has to do with the topic?
You are accusing users as a fanboy, but you have to justify your own defamation. any brand of which you are a fan is in your opinion in existential need, is it kawai?
what.. no 303, terrible .. amazing that you have to plan the purchase of currently 89 euros (black friday @ thomann) .. it just doesn't matter.
4real do you write something in real life do something completely different .. also restaurant critic ?

Incidentally, this page from the thomann server is currently overloaded, did not work as you wanted it to be ..

https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_td_3_bk.htm
Not interested in your opinion, mate.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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I find curious that people accept they clone machines of the past because it's useful for them, but cloning something they can acquire under same conditions is not acceptable, so people are corrupt, but under their conditions, "stealing" one cent or one million, it's "stealing", there is no grey areas and the law is specific on it.

Morality belongs to personal opinion under the culture they are practiced on, what is moral for me, might not be moral for you, but if you try to obliged me to accept yours and "****" on mine, what that make's you?

Behringer is a brand that clones machines and always had, they had come up with original products also, I am not Uli, I have no idea how their company works internally or I'm not a specialist either to condemn what they are doing, If what they are doing is illegal or wrong, then the law will take care of it.

If I chose to buy one of their products, it's my choice, and I hope people respect that as I respect yours for disagreeing with mine, two wrongs doesn't make a right, and it's sad to see so much rage just because they are doing something people disagree under a market that does the same over and over and over, personally I think they should put their resources to use to develop new and appealing products, as their clones on the synth world made some of the elitism on it to come down for example, but it's their choice, in the end there are families that are being fed by working on their factories, same as for all other companies, and the corporate world is a land of wolves.

Something made so long ago that the patent has expired and has not been produced for decades VS something still being produced today.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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interested in your opinion, mate.
sry what an opinion. I see someone who has to save for 89 euros, sad. possible that you will get donations for christmas.
it's a shame that you can't explain your motives, the donations would be increased.
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
  #906
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One way to push back even if you use or like some Behringer gear is to make sure you never buy it New, never putting any money directly into @ uli 's hands.

Let him spend the money and effort to produce, let people get bored with it, scoop it up even cheaper, and never give @ Uli Behringer $ in the process.

He's served his purpose and did a few less repulsive things. Now just start squeezing any remaining value out of him and his company.

Then never mention his name again, ever.

Don't give him money, don't mention his name, and buy up used versions of his gear you may like and use it where no one sees or knows and he gets 0.

Tone deaf twotwaffle, he is.

Eat your cake and have it too.

This is the way.
That's my plan...but would have to be something very enticing that I couldn't get elsewhere.


But maybe I wont even do that....IDK. I have too many synths anyways, I plan on selling off most.
Old 24th November 2020
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I have to admit that the whole zen core thing left me un-moistened
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Something made so long ago that the patent has expired and has not been produced for decades VS something still being produced today.
That's interesting, so the problem is not they are making clones, but the clone they chose to make and the conditions, so it's ok for Behringer to continue to make clones, just not the Arturia one?
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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That's interesting, so the problem is not they are making clones, but the clone they chose to make and the conditions, so it's ok for Behringer to continue to make clones, just not the Arturia one?
don't try logic, but the whole advertising campaign is based on that, various users do exactly what is expected.
is now difficult, how do I fight against a campaign that lives from fighting against the campaign ..
amused ..
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Then you should stop using a phone, computer, clothes, shoes, vehicles and all other peripherals currently on the market as they are all a copy of something else, you accept "corruption", but under your conditions, as we all.

So far the Swing under the established law is a product clone, if Arturia product is protected or not, the law will see to it.

There is a difference between inspired by and being a fake Gucci product or Bucci product.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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There is a difference between inspired by and being a fake Gucci product or Bucci product.
Then it is good that musical instruments are not items of status, but items of function - OH WAIT
Old 24th November 2020
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Gotta laugh.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
  #913
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Instead of wasting time on the handful of Behringer fanbois here, tell the company what you think about their ugly practices on their Facebook page.

Personally, I was planning on picking up a TD-3 and maybe some other clones, but I can't see that happening now.
Ooooo $149..bankrupt
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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How much is this dude getting paid....dear lord.
Not you...the pike.
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Ooooo $149..bankrupt
no.. 89.- black friday.. superbankrupt, he could have taken 2. what he has already done ..

is there actually a nobel prize for advertising campaigns?
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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That's interesting, so the problem is not they are making clones, but the clone they chose to make and the conditions, so it's ok for Behringer to continue to make clones, just not the Arturia one?
Cloning dead products is not the same ethically or legally as cloning current products.

Let's flip this on it's head ask the question, when is it OK to clone?

When the patent is expired or the tech is unpatentable, and when the trade-dress is already in violation and undefended.

Does the Keystep fit this? No, because it's trademark is active (trade dress is in use). None of us can speak to what Behr has done circuit wise, but if Arturia had patents concerning that and Behr cloned that as well it would be another layer of violation.

So a violation could be in patent, trademark, or both. So far trademark looks like the problem.

But to keep trademarks, they must be defended. Whether Arturia can afford to do this is another question.

On the flipside, this is why so many guitar clones and pedal clones exist. The technology patents are exhausted and trade dress long ago violated or left undefended.

Also with analog circuits its very hard to patent since it's considered reuse and not new tech. I think this is why Korg invented the NuTube, which is a new take on vacuum tube concepts. A NuTube circuit can be protected via IP, a vacuum tube one cannot.

Algorythms can be protected, but basic functions cannot, etc.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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hmm, why did you remove the quotes I made!!

Getting paid by whom? Behringer or Arturia? Check my previous posts please before judging me too quickly.
People never understand context....I meant grasspike.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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That's interesting, so the problem is not they are making clones, but the clone they chose to make and the conditions, so it's ok for Behringer to continue to make clones, just not the Arturia one?
Twisty twisty twist those words lil boy, anyways...cloning something old and that hasnt been made for decades and has had the patents expire VS cloning a modern product still in production by the original manufacturer is a night and day difference, if you cant see that...I pity you.
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Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Jony Ive saw this and decided to make his first solo collaboration with Apple their version of the keystep. Jony was able to strip all the unnecessary controls and design elements out and went to make the thinnest midi controller in the world. It starts at 999 MRSP and includes both the T2 chip and the M1 Apple Silicon processor for fanless multicore midi control.
Those alternating black and white things are quite distracting. Hopefully they can get rid of those in the next version.
Maybe just leave a notch on the one side - 'cause that is cool design.
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