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Old 28th November 2020 | Show parent
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Thanks. Very different synths indeed, but I was curious because you mentioned that you really enjoyed working with the Essence FM and I wanted to know if you were having as much fun with Equator 2. Seems like you are
Yeah, I like them both for totally different uses.
Old 29th November 2020 | Show parent
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Finally had the time to try out.


I am a bit pissed off and worried about the call-home subroutine. I was not informed about it before buying, and it feels like a potential rip-off.
If i buy something i want to be able to use it indefinitely.
Asking to pay for a new version is one thing, but this is not okay. I wonder why they are doing this.
Could you explain the "call home" sub routine? Similar to Roland cloud? So if Roli goes belly up we lose Equator 2 or do we lose everything?
Old 29th November 2020 | Show parent
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Could you explain the "call home" sub routine? Similar to Roland cloud? So if Roli goes belly up we lose Equator 2 or do we lose everything?
That's the thing. They don't mention it, so i don't know, but you open the vst and instead of launching, you get an error screen saying something like, 'we don't know if you're licensed to use equator, please launch roli connect'
It's happened to me once, and i've read some posts saying this is going to occur every month or so.


I've posted a question on their official forum about it. They're pretty slow to respond, if at all. My previous questions about bluetooth for windows were even ghosted.
Old 2nd December 2020 | Show parent
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Finally had the time to try out.


The preset browsing system is still a bit cumbersome, and i wish they had a set of basic ones as starting points. Guess i'll have to make my own.
What basics are you looking for? Equator2 has loads of basic patches that can function as starting point, from simple acoustic sounds, hybrid sounds, synth leads, nice workhorse basses, to pads that use for example only the Juno-6 samples, or OBXa, or Super Jupiter as a starting pads that capture the tone of the original synth. etc.

What do you wish was included in the browser in order to have a better experience when using it?


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A lot of synth samples have been added in the new version, which is nice, but not really what i was looking for. I was hoping for more acoustic samples, but there's not that many. I haven't tried to use my own samples yet.

But overall a very positive experience, plenty of flexibility.
We've added loads of both types, acoustic and vintage analog samples (and specific sample content that is meant to be used in the granular engine).

Here is the overview content list:

BRASS instruments:
Trombone - Attack
Trombone - Sustain
Trumpet - Bucket Mute Staccato
Trumpet - Bucket Mute Sustain
Trumpet - Harmon Mute Staccato
Trumpet - Mute Sustain
Trumpet - Staccato
Trumpet - Sustain
Tuba Staccato
Tuba - Sustain

EFFECT
Waterphone - Pluck 1 (tuned)
Waterphone - Pluck 2 (tuned)
Waterphone - Scrape texture 1
Waterphone - Scrape texture 2
Waterphone - Scrape Texture 3 (tuned)
Waterphone - Scrape texure 4 (tuned)

KEYS
Accordion - Staccato
Accordion - Sustain
Baby Grand Piano (4 versions)
Hammond Jazz - Fast Leslie
Hammond Jazz - Slow Leslie
Hammond Jazz 2 - Fast Leslie
Hammond Jazz 2 - Slow Leslie
Harmonium - bellows
Harmonium - Sustain
Rhodes
Upright Piano - Feedbacker
Upright Piano - Vintage
Wurlitzer - Classic
Wurlitzer - DI
Wurlitzer - Vintage


STRING based instruments:
Cello - Bow Taps
Cello - Piziccato
cello - Spiccato
Cello Sustain
Double Bass ( three versions)
Dulcimer - Hit
Dulcimer - Runs
Dulcimer - Scrapes
Dulcimer - Trill
Harp
Hurdy Gurdy - Keypress
Jurdy Gurdy - Sustain
Koto- Fingered
Koto Plectrum
Nylon Guitar - Harmonics
Nylon Guitar - Muted
Nylon Guitar - Pluck
Santoor
Sitar
Steel Guitar
Stringray Bass - Amped
Stingray Bass - DI
String Quartet - Pizz
String Quartet - Spiccato
String Quartet - Sustain
String Ensemble (a new hybrid, ie: layered strings ensemble)
Viloin - Pizz
Violin - Spiccato
Violin - Sustain
Yangqin - Latex Hammer
Yangqin - Latex hammer Bac
Yangqin - Trill

Woodwinds:
Basson - Staccato
Basson - Sustain
Calrinet
Concert Flute - Attack
Concert Flute - Sustain
Nadaswaram - Sustain
Oboe - Sustain


All of the above can be used/mixed/layered with Equator1 samples like some of the very lush orchestral samples.


And to complete the new content list here is a list of sampled analogue synths:

Arp Solina
Juno-6
MS20
Mini700
Boomstar5089
OBXa
Pro-One
SH-2
Super Jupiter
System-100
VP-330

Then, there is a huge selection of new samples specifically made for the granular engine. These live under the Granular folder tab, with the following themes:

Granular - Abstract
Granular - Acoustic
Granular - Cinematic
Granular - Foley
Granular - Synthetic
Granular - Textures
Granular - Vocoder



Most of the new samples use round-robin, even the analogue ones.
Old 2nd December 2020 | Show parent
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What basics are you looking for? Equator2 has loads of basic patches that can function as starting point, from simple acoustic sounds, hybrid sounds, synth leads, nice workhorse basses, to pads that use for example only the Juno-6 samples, or OBXa, or Super Jupiter as a starting pads that capture the tone of the original synth. etc.

What do you wish was included in the browser in order to have a better experience when using it?




We've added loads of both types, acoustic and vintage analog samples (and specific sample content that is meant to be used in the granular engine).

Here is the overview content list:


Then, there is a huge selection of new samples specifically made for the granular engine. These live under the Granular folder tab, with the following themes:


Most of the new samples use round-robin, even the analogue ones.
When you list them it is quite impressive, and it also shows the browser part could be improved since i found it hard to find all of these.

i'm just saying that the browser system somehow seems to be more difficult to me to find presets in the direction i'm looking for than other party vst's. in part it's also the layout/visual look of this menu.
I really like the Omnisphere approach, for example. with selecteable, optional tags and mood descriptions, and clear categories.
In the sample browsing menu of the soundsources, i have the same problem, and even a bit more. Here there isn't even a way to sort by category. Some sounds i only found cause i knew they were in the equator 1 library.

With basic patches, i mean stuff like:
basic flute1
basic flute2
simple bell1
simple piano1
cello solo
cello ensemble

etc. with only one or two soundsource slots loaded, and a rudimentary set of modulation routings. Macro's and FX not filled to the brim.

on suggestions for additional acoustic samples, might i suggest:

kalimba
bass kalimba
sansulla
marimba
vibraphone
general acoustic bell & bowl recordings,
sleighbell, windchimes, etc.
gong
steeldrum
udu

saxophone
tenor saxophone
bass saxophone
euphonium
ney
kaval
bansuri
sakuhachi
fujara
melodica

kora
ngoni
oud
cumbus
saz
monochord
shamishen
jews harp
mandolin

toy piano
clavinet
harp flageolets
prepared piano
electric guitar

a few different character guitars and piano's, since these instruments vary so much in character
etc.
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What basics are you looking for? Equator2 has loads of basic patches that can function as starting point, from simple acoustic sounds, hybrid sounds, synth leads, nice workhorse basses, to pads that use for example only the Juno-6 samples, or OBXa, or Super Jupiter as a starting pads that capture the tone of the original synth. etc.

What do you wish was included in the browser in order to have a better experience when using it?


We've added loads of both types, acoustic and vintage analog samples (and specific sample content that is meant to be used in the granular engine).
It's nice to see you people have a presence on this forum.
Could you possibly expand on the reason for the call-home routine in the recent Equator2 software?
i've asked this question on the official forum, but somehow it doesn't seem to get posted online.
Old 19th December 2020
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Just thought I'd jump back in to say how much I'm liking Equator2. Very rich and expressive sounds, with or without using MPE.

And it runs fine in 10.13 ( the specs say 10.14 and up ). $99 upgrade is definitely worth it.
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I've been checking out Equator 2, but I also noticed that all the Seaboards are out of stock. When was the last time they were in stock? Anyone have any insight onto the future of Roli?
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Check other uk based companies. Covid and Brexit causing shipping delays for everything including food.
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100% this is what we expect from ROLI and nothing less! I mean, with 15y old NI's massive I have created far more complex sounds than the ones included in Equator's presets. The difficult part is to emulate expressive instruments like trumpets, viola etc. This is why 5D invented. Unfortunately ROLI still counts in its previous failed recipe with fantasy cheesy reverb sounds.
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100% this is what we expect from ROLI and nothing less! I mean, with 15y old NI's massive I have created far more complex sounds than the ones included in Equator's presets. The difficult part is to emulate expressive instruments like trumpets, viola etc. This is why 5D invented. Unfortunately ROLI still counts in its previous failed recipe with fantasy cheesy reverb sounds.
Equator2 is full of expressive sounds. From single very playable solo sounds like in the first demo below, to very complex multilayer sounds that Massive can only dream about. Equator2 does not lack the sounds, but it lacks people's patience in learning how to find them and play them.

(the first three sounds are hybrid, the last is purely based on samples)

Pay attention to the sound from 0:41sec to 1:44min.

But, Equator2 is not designed to specialise in the type of sounds that maybe the SWAM engine can provide. Equator2 is designed to be a very comprehensive 'uber' synth that covers a lot of ground. If you desire realistic acoustic sounds, then I recommend the SWAM instruments. You will love them.

Speaking of Massive, let's have Massive do this sound, which is based on a single oscillator (that is, what you hear is only a single oscillator. I wonder if you can comprehend the power that is being shown here):




But then, personally, I like understated sounds, sounds with a lot of nuance and exquisite depth. Played on RISE 49:


The complexity of what's going on here in terms of MPE (demo above). Can you hear it? It's not about fireworks and some explosive saxophone solo, but fine control of many layers that you express with SLIDE, GLIDE, PRESS on the Seaboard. A guitar pluck, granular layers, string ensemble drone/layers that come in and out, granulated Sitar strums...yeah, your Massive can do that...when it smokes a fat joint in year 2050.


Equator2 has a huge selection of very expressive sounds...all you need to do is learn how to play them. Fighting words! I know, but that is the truth, people simply can not play what is offered here.


Try some percussive sounds for a change:




MPE/5D sounds are very difficult to make. That is, playable and musical MPE sounds are difficult to make. Try to spend some time with a preset and learn it like a real instrument, this is the key to success and your enjoyment. If you don't like big, multi-layered 'reverberant; sounds, try some of the brass, woodwinds, hybrid solo sounds on offer. Try to learn them, before giving up.

Lastly, Equator2 can do what all modern wavetable synths can do:



Equator2: granular, wavetable, FM, VA, FM, sample-playback (with a huge selection of acoustic and vintage analog samples) all under one roof with 6 oscillators. Forget your Massive synth and compare it to Omnisphere. That's where it's at.
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Strang to See so much hate. Tp me at first look, this seems like the ideal modern day synth. The workflow looks absolutely perfect.
Has all the kinds of modulations you want for modern production, well laid out.
6 oscillators that do practically all the kinds of synthesis you are going to use in modern production.

I personally have found FXpansion practises to be a little annoying in the past (a long line of abandonware and uncertainty over a products lifespan) so in that sense I get it. But just as a standalone product, this looks fantastic.

It is absolutely insane that there is no demo - they will lose themselves countless sale because of this, but the synth looks great.

It cannot be compared to serum or an analog emu synth. This does a hell of a lot more than those.

Very tempted indeed. With studio ones recent MPE implementation (and seamless integration with Roli products) it might finally be time.
I just hope the products are around long enough.....are the FXpansion things going to be abandoned now that stuff is being put out under Roli?
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