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Old 27th February 2020
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Love for the Korg DSS-1

Everyone is loving their synths lately so ...

Just got a DSS-1, a giant beast from the 80s. I found SampleWrench which runs on Windows 10 and loads wav files into the DSS-1 and DSSend which opens ds1 disk files and loads and saves via midi.

I was expecting a low fi old sampler sound but it’s huge sounding with tons of analog sound shaping in a great sounding Korg Filter with 2 delays at the end of the signal chain. A pain to get the samples in and out of but the sound is worth it. Huge vintage analog poly synth sound with that old Korg digital delay modulation to top it off.

I bet the size and slowness probably turns a lot of you off now days but given what it is there must be some out there still loving this hybrid synth.
Old 27th February 2020
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@ xanderbeanz loves their DSS-1, so maybe they'll chime in soon.

I've always wanted one if that counts.
Old 27th February 2020
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The DSS-1 will always have a massive place in my heart. As a child I was obsessed with someday owning a sampler. After watching a Fairlight being demonstrated on TV, my mind boggled at the possibilities. But I thought I would never be able to afford one, given that they cost more than your average house and I was 10 years old.

But over the next few years I watched as the price of samplers plunged. Relatively affordable samplers like the Mirage came on to the market and I knew it was time to start seriously saving.

The DSS-1 came out at the exact time I found myself in a position to make a purchase. I remember reading the review in Sound on Sound - and I had to have it. The day My dad drove me to the music shop and helped me load it into our car was surely one of the most exciting of my life.

And the DSS-1 was everything I’d hoped for and more. Every day I spent hours on that thing, dreaming up new ways to take the sounds around me, snippets from the radio, and turn them into music.

I wrote my first commissioned piece of music on that thing - a soundtrack for a theatre production. I took a breakbeat and I slowed it down and played some moody ambient strings over the top, along with a rhythmically repetitive vocal sample. It was what came to be called trip hop and it blew people away - no one in my community had heard stuff like this before, it was only later that I realised others had started doing similar things in their bedroom studios around the same time.

The DSS-1 gave me an unfair advantage that I milked for every last drop. It launched my career in music, and when I sold it to fund an Ensoniq EPS-16+, I missed it tremendously.
Old 27th February 2020
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Originally Posted by locosynth View Post
Everyone is loving their synths lately so ...

Just got a DSS-1, a giant beast from the 80s. I found SampleWrench which runs on Windows 10 and loads wav files into the DSS-1 and DSSend which opens ds1 disk files and loads and saves via midi.

I was expecting a low fi old sampler sound but it’s huge sounding with tons of analog sound shaping in a great sounding Korg Filter with 2 delays at the end of the signal chain. A pain to get the samples in and out of but the sound is worth it. Huge vintage analog poly synth sound with that old Korg digital delay modulation to top it off.

I bet the size and slowness probably turns a lot of you off now days but given what it is there must be some out there still loving this hybrid synth.
I enjoy my DSS1 a lot. It took a while to get the sample wrench workflow down, the truncating everything and saving it to disk...then building Multisounds.

It would be a nightmare for a regular Joe, you really need to work with it in the way it wants you to.

Now I have a collection of waves I’m happy with, I’ve been creating patches and systems and love what I’m hearing.

This is an MP3 of my first couple of patches, made a few hours after I installed a HXC drive:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...clones-dss.mp3
Old 27th February 2020
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I certainly love mine! I hate the sampling workflow though. So I mainly use it with the waveforms it can generate by itself. I have another great sounding sampler with analog filters: the Akai S900 plugged in an AX-73 as a second oscillator. It's much more in tune with the way I like to work with samples so I might not get as deep as I should in the DSS-1 architecture...
Old 27th February 2020
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I enjoy my DSS1 a lot. It took a while to get the sample wrench workflow down, the truncating everything and saving it to disk...then building Multisounds.


This is an MP3 of my first couple of patches, made a few hours after I installed a HXC drive:
Do you send each sample individually and then save it to disk, then create a new multisound and load the samples into it, or can you send multiple samples into memory and into an existing multisound template. I have been struggling with this a bit.

Also, I’m about to install an HXC drive. How did that go for you?
Old 5th March 2020
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Yesh I’m curious too, I have sampleWrench,
And like to know about the Workflow.
Old 5th March 2020
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I am among those waiting for Straylight Engineering to release the next iteration of the DSS-1 upgrade. I love the DSS-1 and its hybrid synth twin DW-8000.
Old 5th March 2020
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Originally Posted by locosynth View Post
Do you send each sample individually and then save it to disk, then create a new multisound and load the samples into it, or can you send multiple samples into memory and into an existing multisound template. I have been struggling with this a bit.

Also, I’m about to install an HXC drive. How did that go for you?
The HXC drive took f***king ages longer than I thought it would...and I’ve installed them before in my FZ1 & EPS16+ without issue. Some of the screws were really tricky.

I think my issue is I took out the back hinge screws. Don’t do this...

In uploading sounds I have to, create a new blank sample (or load someone else’s previously existing one), then sample wrench over my WAV...fair play that this works at all btw...then I truncate it to length and save it to disk as a sound. Truncating is very important.

Then, I create a new multisound and load in the single sounds from disk with its little process, which is probably the most friendly bit of the UI.

Then I save the multisample to a disk.

If you try to load multiple samples, and then try to edit just one, the rest will get wiped as the selected sample gets moved to the “work area”...which seems to take importance over everything else, so you have to work one at a time and save to disk.

This is what I mean when I say you have to work in the way it wants you to, you have no other choice.

Still, the filters, sync, proto-M1 naivety, looks and overall sound mean that the process is ultimately worth it, and quite satisfying once you have Multisounds ready to synthesize with.

As killer as the sound is, I can see why these have stalled at about £5-600 on the used market. People don’t want to wrestle with the dated UI...personally I get a kick out of it.
Old 5th March 2020
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It was my first sampler and common story, didn't knew what I had. Huge sounding synth with huge presence, shame working with it is slow and not very intuitive. I still miss it sometimes and will purchase one again now that I know it is unique and nothing similar exist.
Old 8th March 2020
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I love mine. I got it when they were very cheap.
To me the workflow is extremely fast if you use the machine as a synth. I make my own waveforms by drawing, and the rest of the analogue settings are also very easy to set. As a synth, I'd say it's relatively biased towards melodic/harmonic sounds, not strange noises. I find that everything I do with it is a sweet spot, every sound I make sound great. Specially pads, leads, stabs.
Everything sounds "professional", high quality, warm. I think they are still relatively inexpensive if you consider price/quality ratio.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Hi,

I'm considering to buy a Korg DSS-1 and would like to listen to some demos first (just to be sure it's as good as I think when used as a synthesizer).

The thing is that I'm vey curious about the OSC sync feature (something I only saw before on my Ensoniq SQ-80) but I haven't found any YouTube video demoing it.

How does it sound when compared to a classic analogue hard sync effect? Is it capable of doing classic sync leads? (let's say similar to the 'laser harp' patch). How does a complex sample sound when using with the sync feature?

Any demos, any opinions?

Thank you in advance.


PS. If you are selling yours in Europe, please contact me
Old 4 weeks ago
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I had a DSM-1 a long time ago, but never had much luck with it. Its unfortunate that they never even bothered hooking up the resonance circuit. I'd love a DSS-1, but can't deal with something the size of an aircraft carrier.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I had a DSM-1 a long time ago, but never had much luck with it. Its unfortunate that they never even bothered hooking up the resonance circuit. I'd love a DSS-1, but can't deal with something the size of an aircraft carrier.
The DSM-1 is just a different synth. It isn’t the rackmount version of the DSS-1, but still a great sampler.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Recently picked up a mint Korg DSS-1 with the full Veristock upgrade, when it arrived and I unboxed it, plugged it in, I was blown away by how big this sounded, warm, rich, deep sounds that until now have eluded me.

This is a gem of a sampler / synth
Old 3 weeks ago
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Hi,

I'm considering to buy a Korg DSS-1 and would like to listen to some demos first (just to be sure it's as good as I think when used as a synthesizer).



Any demos, any opinions?

Thank you in advance.


PS. If you are selling yours in Europe, please contact me

Old 3 weeks ago
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Thank you.

I can't find any explicit example of what I was asking about, though (how OSC sync sounds on the DSS-1).


BR,

J.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Thank you.

I can't find any explicit example of what I was asking about, though (how OSC sync sounds on the DSS-1).


BR,

J.
I made a demo a while back. Please give me 2 or 3 minutes to find it.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Thank you.

I can't find any explicit example of what I was asking about, though (how OSC sync sounds on the DSS-1).


BR,

J.
Your demo MP3 awaits you attached to this linked post.

Please do pop back here to tell me if you think it sounds as f***ing unhinged and amazing a synth as I do!

Anyone 100% focused on modern sounds and not interested in revivals and clones?
Old 3 weeks ago
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Your demo MP3 awaits you attached to this linked post.

Please do pop back here to tell me if you think it sounds as f***ing unhinged and amazing a synth as I do!

Anyone 100% focused on modern sounds and not interested in revivals and clones?
Thank you Xander! It's exactly what I was looking for.

And yeah, it sounds amazing. That sync effect sounds to my ears very close to the FM synthesis.

Thank you for your help!
Old 3 weeks ago
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Thank you Xander! It's exactly what I was looking for.

And yeah, it sounds amazing. That sync effect sounds to my ears very close to the FM synthesis.

Thank you for your help!
A positive with the DSS is because it’s variable rate transposition, at high quality (I think that’s 32Khz I can’t remember?) you can only transpose up 11 steps before it won’t play back.

So the multisamples tend to be built “downwards”, with more emphasis on transposing down.

This means that even when you chuck sync at it, you always get a pleasant sound without too much aliasing, as it doesn’t actually let you go much above the Nyquist frequency.
Old 3 weeks ago
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I’ve finally found a DSS1 in good shape :D
It is arriving tomorrow.

First of all, I will install a floppy emulator. Any suggestion? Is Gotek + HxC firmware fine for this baby?

Thank you in advance
Old 3 weeks ago
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I’ve finally found a DSS1 in good shape :D
It is arriving tomorrow.

First of all, I will install a floppy emulator. Any suggestion? Is Gotek + HxC firmware fine for this baby?

Thank you in advance
It should be fine. The HXC REVF fits in fine so as long as it’s not too much taller, it should be fine. I prefer the REVF coz of the little screen and the fact there’s no USB poking out to knock

As long as it’s HXC firmware I can send you my files, which are horrendously unorganised. Though I might forget, so you could you PM me on the weekend?
Old 1 week ago
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I’ve finally found a DSS1 in good shape :D
It is arriving tomorrow.

First of all, I will install a floppy emulator. Any suggestion? Is Gotek + HxC firmware fine for this baby?

Thank you in advance
Hi Mastro and everyone, here are the contents of my SD Card. I haven't got TOO far into the DSS, but I believe the USER disks may have some of my sounds in, and the MSOUND disks have some waves I've created, some I've collated from other disks, to make it easy for you to load them in and start synthesizing, then you can save your 32 patches as a system.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/950d2s...ackup.zip/file
Old 1 week ago
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Hi Mastro and everyone, here are the contents of my SD Card. I haven't got TOO far into the DSS, but I believe the USER disks may have some of my sounds in, and the MSOUND disks have some waves I've created, some I've collated from other disks, to make it easy for you to load them in and start synthesizing, then you can save your 32 patches as a system.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/950d2s...ackup.zip/file
Great!! I ordered the FDD emulator last week and can't wait to try your SD image on it!!

Thank you thank you thank you

(PS. and this is why I love GS so much)
Old 1 week ago
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Still waiting for an update on the Straylight Engineering upgrade.
Old 1 week ago
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Still waiting for an update on the Straylight Engineering upgrade.
It’s available. You have to open up your DSS1 and send the boards to him. No thanks!
Old 1 week ago
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It’s available. You have to open up your DSS1 and send the boards to him. No thanks!
The next version is available? Got a link for that?

Virostek's website has not been updated since Feb 2020, and I only see a comment from Jan 2020 that the project was on hold for the time being.
Old 1 week ago
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The next version is available? Got a link for that?

Virostek's website has not been updated since Feb 2020, and I only see a comment from Jan 2020 that the project was on hold for the time being.
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Old 1 week ago
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I wrote him some days ago and got this response:

“ Hi Jose,

I do plan on making an upgrade again but it will be a new design, so I can’t say exactly when it will happen.

Thanks,

Tom”
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