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Anyone still sampling from VHS tapes?

With 2020 just around the corner I was wondering if anyone is still sampling from VHS tapes? I still do and have six VCRs to ensure I can do it for many years to come. The more obscure the content, the better!
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What’s the legality of something like that? Just curious.
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I have in the past, old rare horror movies mostly.
How do you deal with the noise?
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I haven't in some years, but still have a working VCR, so I could if the need arose. Sure did it a lot in the 90s!
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How do you deal with the noise?
If the tape is Hi-Fi enabled then noise is rarely a problem. For the tapes without Hi-Fi I use iZotope RX and EQ to clean up the mud.
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What’s the legality of something like that? Just curious.
How or why would sampling from an old VCR change any of the legality of sampling copywritten material? Sampling is sampling. If its copywritten, its copywritten. Doesn't matter if you sampled it from a wax cylinder or through two tin cans tied together with a string.
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Can you describe how you're sampling from the VCR? What connects to what? Are you just mic'ing up the speakers? I haven't had one in many years and remember mostly just a/v connections (rca?).
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How or why would sampling from an old VCR change any of the legality of sampling copywritten material? Sampling is sampling. If its copywritten, its copywritten. Doesn't matter if you sampled it from a wax cylinder or through two tin cans tied together with a string.
I’m quite aware. My baited post was to the OP and how they might navigate around that.

PS, Are you having a bad day? You sound really aggravated.
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How or why would sampling from an old VCR change any of the legality of sampling copywritten material?
When it comes to the more popular Hollywood movies, then yes copyright still applies. That being said, I do wonder with the older more obscure material if that still applies or if there are statute of limitations to that. Not to mention if you sample from something such as pornographic material who is going to be able to pinpoint one moan and/or orgasm sound to a specific video? I may be wrong about this, but in this day and age of YouTube and thousands of people uploading brief clips online, it seems as if Hollywood has taken a more lax approach to sampling versus back in the '80s and '90s. I'm sure the execs realized they would go bankrupt if they took legal action against every individual who uploads something and probably see it as free promotion for the segment of film being uploaded or sampled.

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Can you describe how you're sampling from the VCR? What connects to what? Are you just mic'ing up the speakers? I haven't had one in many years and remember mostly just a/v connections (rca?).
I run two RCA to XLR cables from the analog RCA outputs of my VCR to my Tascam DA-3000 recorder and sample at 24/96. I tried sampling using the digital coaxial outputs from my Sony DVD/VCR combo deck, but the sound had a thin and brittle quality to it compared to the analog outputs.
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When it comes to the more popular Hollywood movies, then yes copyright still applies. That being said, I do wonder with the older more obscure material if that still applies or if there are statute of limitations to that. Not to mention if you sample from something such as pornographic material who is going to be able to pinpoint one moan and/or orgasm sound to a specific video? I may be wrong about this...
I think one needs to be aware that there are ambulance chasers abound. I’m with you to some extent. I think a treasure trove could be found with films that have fallen in the public domain.

List_of_films_in_the_public_domain_in_the_United_States
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Most VHS is porn and for legal reasons it could be wiser to sample old radio programs and specially radio drama these often free of copy right but these are AM orientated with little or no top end but lot of effects . The site , oldradioprograms.us has lot for download and to listen as radio drama where real huge but it still being made .

This is very cool BBC drama about development of a super oscillator
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If it's in the public domain, you can use it legally without obtaining permission. Otherwise, you need clearance from all rights-owners: the composer, publisher, performer, and/or the record label. Copyright terms for works first published in US (source: Wikipedia: "public domain"):

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Thing is unless you're sampled toon becomes a massive hit no one will give a ****..
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There's an astronomically priced guitar pedal called the Generation Loss that allegedly sounds like a VHS tape.
https://reverb.com/p/cooper-fx-generation-loss-2016
I have no idea how closely it mimics VHS or whether it's worth the money.
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What’s the legality of something like that? Just curious.
A police officer lives inside your head.
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Thing is unless you're sampled toon becomes a massive hit no one will give a ****..
If it becomes a massive hit, you can get even more work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Joins_The_JAMs
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The site , oldradioprograms.us has lot for download and to listen as radio drama where real huge but it still being made.
Too bad it's all MP3 downloads which is fine to listen to, but useless when it comes to use in music. In my book if it's a compressed source, I won't use it.
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Too bad it's all MP3 downloads which is fine to listen to, but useless when it comes to use in music. In my book if it's a compressed source, I won't use it.
You want to sample off of VHS tapes but then complain about using an MP3 because its 'compressed'? Ok.


@ NEXUS-6 - I was actually reading about a month ago that mastering places will actually pull your sh1t for copywritten material now. Guess they use some super software or something that scans wav files and if it finds a sample or something it recognizes they won't press your cd or your record?
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With regard to copyrights... Satire, not for profit, "art", are mostly exempt; IIRC.
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@ NEXUS-6 - I was actually reading about a month ago that mastering places will actually pull your sh1t for copywritten material now. Guess they use some super software or something that scans wav files and if it finds a sample or something it recognizes they won't press your cd or your record?
Could be, nowadays anything is possible.

Just gota be slick go obscure nothing recognizable.
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Just gota be slick go obscure nothing recognizable.
There’s post in a thread from a while back from Charlie Clouser where in it he stated in the early 90’s he found this tape of various stuff he recorded to audio from old documentaries. He found a little snippet that sounded really good at a break in a song they were working on for a remix album. They couldn’t find any information about the audio, who owned it, who to contact so they sampled it.

A while later some teacher was playing some of his documentaries to his students and right after the part that was sampled a student spoke up and said something to the tune of “that sounds a lot like a sample in one of my favorite bands songs”. The teacher lawyered up and they had to pay the guy like 10 G’s plus legal fees. And that would be like 25-30 grand in total in todays money.

Charlie was like what would the chances be? Like the most obscure of obscure samples, in an obscure remix album.
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From NIN? Yeah that was a big band..
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You want to sample off of VHS tapes but then complain about using an MP3 because its 'compressed'? Ok.
VHS audio is uncompressed and has a certain sound to it. The reason why you should not use compressed material in your work is because when you convert your finished song to an MP3 the already compressed material gets compressed again and unwanted artifacts begin to emerge. Excuse me for having standards.
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I keep my SVHS deck around and I occasionally still pull stuff from old tapes. Mainly for the old material that isn't readily available elsewhere more so than the flavor of the format. I used SVHS decks live for years for backing tracks and never once did the medium really affect how anyone perceived anything. I just couldn't afford minidisk or anything. I mainly like how old films mixed sound.
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My mom said I could sample it, so it's totally cool.
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I still sample from wax cylinders and tin cans.
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