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Old 23rd November 2020 | Show parent
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That's some smooth Muzak lol.
Old 23rd November 2020
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Finally new content. Too bad they referenced their part numbers instead of something we could use. The detail around the clothes-pin spring in the pitch wheel helped tremendously though. 2 board construction. Was surprised to see a single PCB in the Poly D, that's one big board for something with so little overall wire-bisection.
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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That is a pretty weird vid, with equally interesting music. WTF am I supposed to do with this info?
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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I know many won't get it but that is brilliant
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Cool. Nice chilling music (well, more a loop).

Behringer should give a "course completed" certificate to everyone who watched this.
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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That is a pretty weird vid, with equally interesting music. WTF am I supposed to do with this info?
well, perhaps the modders can use it as a guide how to properly dismantle it. What I found interesting is the amount of adjustment pots accessible and labelled at the bottom.
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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“All our products are now developed in 3D virtual reality...”

I assume this is a demonstration of Siemens’ “Digital Twin” technology as part of Behringer’s plans for fully automated assembly.

I am glad they shared this video in any case. It may not be useful but I must have enjoyed it...having watched it three times!

Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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“All our products are now developed in 3D virtual reality...”

I assume this is a demonstration of Siemens’ “Digital Twin” technology as part of Behringer’s plans for fully automated assembly.

I am glad they shared this video in any case. It may not be useful but I must have enjoyed it...having watched it three times!

It's basically the 'spinning logo' animation of engineering. for reverse engineering though, I would rather have a power point presentation. :0)
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Cool. Nice chilling music (well, more a loop).

Behringer should give a "course completed" certificate to everyone who watched this.
It really looks like they just reused assembly training video for marketing purposes, including the (supposedly) roalty-free muzak. That's why their products can be so cheap!

(And yeah, I know they presented next-level automation, so who knows which parts of assembly are actually done by people, it's just a joke...)
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Looks like you might be able to use the module without the keyboard attached?
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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Looks like you might be able to use the module without the keyboard attached?
yes, it looks like it can be slotted out. There seems to be a little aperture on the bottom for cabling and that's all.
Old 26th November 2020 | Show parent
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But I don't think that this is intended - then there would have to be a simple plug connection to the keyboard. And the hinge seems to be firmly connected to the chassis - at least that's how it is with the Poly-D. We will see...
Old 26th November 2020 | Show parent
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But I don't think that this is intended - then there would have to be a simple plug connection to the keyboard. And the hinge seems to be firmly connected to the chassis - at least that's how it is with the Poly-D. We will see...
I guess they could design any future synths like this as module/keyboard units..
Two markets with one release!
Old 26th November 2020
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It appears to be the same chassis construction. Different mainboard.
Old 26th November 2020 | Show parent
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I guess they could design any future synths like this as module/keyboard units..
Two markets with one release!
The criticisms against them aside for a moment, valid and invalid alike, a modular/convertible design like that, a dual purpose solution like that, is what the rest of the industry should have been doing all along...

The manufacturer makes just two things, the main module, and it's chassis/keyboard combo, yet it satisfies those who want a module, those who want a keyboard, and those who may want both...

Very much the right idea. Without question.

It's a shame such positive contributions like this design, and the re-creation of out of production classics, are overshadowed or at least stained by the stench of unnecessary nonsense like the Swing and a miss.
Old 26th November 2020 | Show parent
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I have a feeling all these clones will get patch memory in the coming years with a 2.0 version which you have to buy again. This makes me doubt to get one.
Old 26th November 2020
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I doubt it.
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I have a feeling all these clones will get patch memory in the coming years with a 2.0 version which you have to buy again. This makes me doubt to get one.
That would require a lot of circuitry converting digital signals to CV for every single knob and chip with a proportional price increase - and whole Behringer's modus operandi is making cheapest possible clones for success.

It's not Deepmind where everything is integrated into very few ICs per voice and digitally controlled from the start.

Plus at this rate of releases they will need next 20 years to clone through Roland's and Yamaha's vintage monosynth catalogues. Adding stuff to a synth that doesn't really need it will mean wasting time
Old 26th November 2020 | Show parent
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unnecessary nonsense like the Swing and a miss.
A moment of silence for wee bit of well executed juxtapositional humor :0)
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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I have a feeling all these clones will get patch memory in the coming years with a 2.0 version which you have to buy again. This makes me doubt to get one.
I think it's more likely they will make hybrid programmable synths after the clones are done. Synths based on the best bits of the classics, in other words, with added features to bring them up-to-date with MIDI 3.0 or whatever else is around by then!
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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I know many won't get it but that is brilliant
Sounds like some background music in a vintage porn movie.
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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I have a feeling all these clones will get patch memory in the coming years with a 2.0 version which you have to buy again. This makes me doubt to get one.
No that won't happen because technically it isn't possible. In order to do that they need to change things on the PCB by adding many components, all the parameters on the synth needs to be digitalized so a microprocessor can "see" and "work" with the data.
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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That would require a lot of circuitry converting digital signals to CV for every single knob and chip with a proportional price increase - and whole Behringer's modus operandi is making cheapest possible clones for success.

It's not Deepmind where everything is integrated into very few ICs per voice and digitally controlled from the start.

Plus at this rate of releases they will need next 20 years to clone through Roland's and Yamaha's vintage monosynth catalogues. Adding stuff to a synth that doesn't really need it will mean wasting time
It will affect the sound, Uli wrote about this on Facebook back in the summer. Like you said it would increase the cost a lot. They could better do a poly synth then instead of a mono synth with patch memory. Maybe they will do a PolySix clone.
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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I’d take the “no preset”version any days
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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No that won't happen because technically it isn't possible. In order to do that they need to change things on the PCB by adding many components, all the parameters on the synth needs to be digitalized so a microprocessor can "see" and "work" with the data.
Technically it IS possible and you just mentioned how it'd work...

With a good enough set of ADCs they could have high resolution for scanning all the pots... could easily have way more than 1024 steps on knobs (taking Minilogue as example here because it has 1024 steps on its knobs, plus interpolation). It wouldn't really change the sound if done properly.
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Sounds like some background music in a vintage porn movie.
maybe they should have used this instead?

Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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Technically it IS possible and you just mentioned how it'd work...

With a good enough set of ADCs they could have high resolution for scanning all the pots... could easily have way more than 1024 steps on knobs (taking Minilogue as example here because it has 1024 steps on its knobs, plus interpolation). It wouldn't really change the sound if done properly.
I didn't read his post correctly, I thought he meant that a software update will be able to do it. I rather see them cloning a poly synth than a mono synth they have cloned so many monos now. We need poly synths.
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
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It will affect the sound, Uli wrote about this on Facebook back in the summer. Like you said it would increase the cost a lot. They could better do a poly synth then instead of a mono synth with patch memory. Maybe they will do a PolySix clone.
It would affect the sound if they've used cheap converters - but using quality ones (with a high enough resolution) will end up increasing the price even further.

While patch memory on monos is a good thing (well patch memory in general is a good thing) - simple monos like Monopoly don't really need it. All they need is big enough knobs so you can redial your patch back in easily.

Which is why people wish Behringer's monos had patch memory - because that eurorack module format dictates for knobs to be small so that you have to spend annoying amount of time finding that spot you need. I myself wish Model D had at least classic 19" rack width - even if that meant only 10% knob size increase - that's you having 10% more precision.
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It would affect the sound if they've used cheap converters - but using quality ones (with a high enough resolution) will end up increasing the price even further.

While patch memory on monos is a good thing (well patch memory in general is a good thing) - simple monos like Monopoly don't really need it. All they need is big enough knobs so you can redial your patch back in easily.

Which is why people wish Behringer's monos had patch memory - because that eurorack module format dictates for knobs to be small so that you have to spend annoying amount of time finding that spot you need. I myself wish Model D had at least classic 19" rack width - even if that meant only 10% knob size increase - that's you having 10% more precision.
Size is a problem, I agree. I find the Neutron and Model D quite fiddly. It's fine in the studio as I can lean over them and see what's going on, but I'd never do anything live with them. These are instruments that invite tweaking (and patching), not 'set and forget', although I suspect some people will just set the Model D to "lead patch" or "funky bass" and never move the controls again?
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It would affect the sound if they've used cheap converters - but using quality ones (with a high enough resolution) will end up increasing the price even further.

While patch memory on monos is a good thing (well patch memory in general is a good thing) - simple monos like Monopoly don't really need it. All they need is big enough knobs so you can redial your patch back in easily.

Which is why people wish Behringer's monos had patch memory - because that eurorack module format dictates for knobs to be small so that you have to spend annoying amount of time finding that spot you need. I myself wish Model D had at least classic 19" rack width - even if that meant only 10% knob size increase - that's you having 10% more precision.
Thats why I hate the [email protected] format. There wasn't enough space between the knobs on the Boog. And yet people are asking for a Mono Poly in an eurocrack format
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