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Roland Fantom 6- 7 -8
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hmm, but the sampler has only 8 voice polyphony??
This is extremely frustrating to me. I've got a Fantom G and it's the centerpiece of my studio because its sampling capabilities are so extensive. It looks like they are doing what they did with the FA's where the sampling section is really just one of their SP samplers tacked on as an afterthought. Why samplists are still being screwed all these years later is beyond me. I guess if I want to upgrade my Fantom, I'll be looking at Korg.
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This is extremely frustrating to me. I've got a Fantom G and it's the centerpiece of my studio because its sampling capabilities are so extensive. It looks like they are doing what they did with the FA's where the sampling section is really just one of their SP samplers tacked on as an afterthought. Why samplists are still being screwed all these years later is beyond me. I guess if I want to upgrade my Fantom, I'll be looking at Korg.

NB: I'm not really the target market for this but here's a few thoughts:
You'll find a lot of people these days use Kontakt libraries (particularly bigger studios and professional gigging musicians).
Marrying the unit with Logic Control & Mainstage Integration plays into that bias and allows for massively complex giga libraries with advanced scripting and what not.
I can see their thought process here even if i don't personally agree with it.
I would have loved a more advanced V-Synth GT engine in there for creative sampling duties myself.
Along with the new Synth Engine, Modelled Piano, Analog Filter Processing and the internal busing structure it would have been a great multi-engine touch that was a little left field and unexpected.
Old 2 weeks ago
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This sounds amazing with a huge sound. I find it much more musically attractive for my studio than the Jupiter X.
I can also see where this will be a big winner with touring musicians and live performance.

This puts it in Kronos 2 territory(which I have) and I think Roland has a true winner here....except that price. Hopefully the dealers will knock a couple hundred off like they do with the Kronos 2.

Roland Fantom 2019 Congrats Roland.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I really do think the new Fantoms are the winners in this round of Roland releases (possibly also the MC-707, we'll see how well that is embraced). The test for GS will be whether the sequencer passes muster, or not, as RonF has mentioned.
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Looks like just the one.
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Okay this is just outright awesome:

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NB: I'm not really the target market for this but here's a few thoughts:
You'll find a lot of people these days use Kontakt libraries (particularly bigger studios and professional gigging musicians).
Marrying the unit with Logic Control & Mainstage Integration plays into that bias and allows for massively complex giga libraries with advanced scripting and what not.
That's a reasonable speculation
There are indeed more pro musos going the laptop route
But I think they're also going for the lightweight gig board too
(Nord and Casio stage pianos, B3 clones, MODX, Yahama CP)
The Fantom 88 and 76 key are heavy!
And try fitting that 88 key in a case in a car or even SUV...

Maybe Roland will later release a lighter, cheaper MODX competitor
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It’s funny...10 years ago this would have been the biggest hottest thread on GS. The latest keyboard workstation!!! That was the business! Today...barely making one page of posts in 24 hours after release. My how times have changed!
I just bought the closest thing I've had to a workstation since the korg M3 in the modx. Was NOT interested in dropping 3k, or even 2k for a used in a kronos or montage, but the modx is great. It's going to be all over an EP I'm producing for someone right now, and I just got it.
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Marrying the unit with Logic Control & Mainstage Integration plays into that bias and allows for massively complex giga libraries with advanced scripting and what not.
And this is of zero importance to everyone not using a Mac and/or Logic/Mainstage. This is not an insignificant number of people.
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Okay this is just outright awesome:

So yes, that's very cool! Ableton-lite in a box. HOWEVER....nothing shown in that vid about AUDIO recording. That was strictly midi. And as a I recall, as a former Fantom G owner and supporter, its audio recording features were a big part of its limitations. It didn't handle audio in the same manner that it handled midi, especially when it came to looping bars, or fixed bar recording. IF the new Fantom handles audio the same way we just saw in this video it does midi....then this can be truly be epic! Truly Ableton-lite.

The other concern I have is about the piano-roll editing. They didn't show that in this video. This was strictly the "session view". Fantom G had some frustrating workflow quirks in its editing pages that really hobbled a swift workflow. So, again, we'll see.

But for now.....this is looking promising for sure...with reservations for the unknown aspects!

Whats the "thing" about a workstation if its not to compose on one!?! Otherwise...WHY get a "workstation"? So the on board sequencer really is important. I'm not expecting a full DAW experience....but the fundamentals need to be well thought out. With all of this integration with Logic and MainStage here....I'm just hoping that Roland didn't go soft on the internal sequencer...relying more on the DAW....which is ultimately what Yamaha did with the Montage series....a shame (arguably the death of the "workstation" IMO).

PS...I concur it should have full multisampling capabilities, and that too is an already known hit on the "workstation" functionality in this incarnation of the Fantom.

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The sequencing on this looks really sharp, definitely a solid modern take on what a workstation should offer. I’m also looking for more information on the analog filtering. What topologies? How many channels? And how are they integrated with the rest of the synthesis engine?
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How many effects per part?
I can't believe the sampler is so crippled. When seeing that, I thought this was a replacement for the FA series.
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Knowing Roland, it's one insert FX per part and then scene FX.
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Knowing Roland, it's one insert FX per part and then scene FX.
Hmm, I think 1 insert is too skimpy.
What are "scene" effects?
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The sequencing on this looks really sharp, definitely a solid modern take on what a workstation should offer. ...
It's damned near perfect, IMHO. The ability to combine pattern/song, linear and clip/track launching ... very intuitively ... wow. I was about to buy an Akai Force, and now I really have to rethink that proposition.
Old 2 weeks ago
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i have been waiting for some time for a real worthwhile alternative to my Fantom G..

but if this integrates with MAC only then i am 100% passing..

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I thought there was nothing to look at on another thread.

How wrong was I

Just saw a video of the Fantom with Scott Tibbs the best Roland presenter.

Quite impressed with the song mode, integration with Logic, sounds and v synth like spatial motion.

Add on the tr sequencer , pads and analogue filtering, touch screen and the Fantom is quite a winner.

Cheers
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Ha, tough crowd.

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Knowing Roland, it's one insert FX per part and then scene FX.
Well the money line for me was something to the effect (lol) of "You dont have to worry about how many effects you are using" ... so it seems they've done something pretty clever w/ FX ... maybe a dynamic allocation with lots of underlying horsepower.
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Hmm, I think 1 insert is too skimpy.
What are "scene" effects?
Overall FX for all parts.
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And this is of zero importance to everyone not using a Mac and/or Logic/Mainstage. This is not an insignificant number of people.
I'd imagine making the feature cross spectrum and for other DAW's makes sense. Ableton Live being the first obvious choice I'd imagine.
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i have been waiting for some time for a real worthwhile alternative to my Fantom G..

but if this integrates with MAC only then i am 100% passing..
It clearly will have USB, Audio and Midi Drivers for both platforms.
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I'd imagine making the feature cross spectrum and for other DAW's makes sense. Ableton Live being the first obvious choice I'd imagine.
The feature is described as DAW Integration rather than just Logic Integration so I also assume we’ll see a few other options covered eventually. Likewise with software synth integration which is another in the lengthy list of features, but currently lists only Logic, GarageBand, and Mainstage.

There’s a skimpy 24-page manual available for those who are curious. It does offer some details, like the five analog filter configurations available (three LPF options, HPF, and bandpass - plus drive for all of the above) but it’s still sketchy when it comes to details like routing options (post-FX only?)
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The feature is described as DAW Integration rather than just Logic Integration so I also assume we’ll see a few other options covered eventually. Likewise with software synth integration which is another in the lengthy list of features, but currently lists only Logic, GarageBand, and Mainstage.
Yamaha of course tightly integrates with Cubase (since they own Steinberg) and have slowly moved away from the original Motif DAW control concept which supported a range of DAWs equally. So it's a smart move for Roland to turn to Apple first. Mainstage is of course a great choice for live performance, but the idea of sequencing Mainstage inside a Fantom "scene" (multi) is a slick idea.
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but the idea of sequencing Mainstage inside a Fantom "scene" (multi) is a slick idea.
Agreed!
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How big is the ROM sample library?
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How big is the ROM sample library?
That's a difficult point of comparison to use, as the modeled V-Piano would ordinarily be something that might take up 2GB of ROM or more all by itself on another workstation. Consider that the Grand Piano on the Kronos is multiple GBs all by itself.

I would not be surprised if the actual onboard ROM is no more than about 512-768MB. That would account for a large compliment of XV5080-series PCM material. Everything else is VA modeling ... which does not take a lot of ROM storage. Roland has hinted at updates which will install new engines (a EP engine model was mentioned), but it's not certain if these are all modeling engines or if they left room for more PCM samples.

I'm just making educated guesses, of course.
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Hmm, I think 1 insert is too skimpy.
What are "scene" effects?
looks like it's 2x insert effects, plus reverb and chorus for each of the 16 parts, according to https://static.roland.com/assets/med..._8_eng02_W.pdf
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Is anyone able to figure out what the story with the synth engine is? Is it all new?

This mini-manual seems to suggest the main synth engine is very different than their (powerful) ROMpler synth engines (e.g. XV-5080).
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In the Anderton's video, the Roland guy says the 88 key has the PHA50 so same as the RD-2000.
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Any video showing sequencing external gear?
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