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Roland MC-707 & MC-101 Grooveboxes
Old 1 week ago
  #721
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sample editing software for the MC-808, from 2006:
Software that doesn't even run on windows 8/10 or on the latest Mac OS. Never buy a Roland device that requires a software editor, like the MC808. And yes, this software was mandatory to edit all parameters.
Old 1 week ago
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This thing is no digtone, you wait till I get my hands on one

There isn't much that does X-Mod with samples

And the ring mod keeps the filters for each (good move Roland)
You might be happy to know that there’s a lot of synths that do XMOD (whether it be AM or FM) with samples. I own about 10 of them lol.
Old 1 week ago
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You might be happy to know that there’s a lot of synths that do XMOD (whether it be AM or FM) with samples. I own about 10 of them lol.
I actually realised that there would be after i said it



any standouts with large storage, sample per key, fast workflow?
Old 1 week ago
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Just watched this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKJVFOSqY4

There’s a grand piano sound at about 27:30
Old 1 week ago
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then it'll "stretch" it to one bar by lowering the pitch/speed of the sample. they show this in one of the videos where he samples himself talking into the mic.
that is weird. i can't see i would have much use for that.
Old 1 week ago
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I'm still waiting to hear if the project file is monolithic, or if you can plug the card into a computer and find the individual wave, patch and midi files. If it's the latter, then there's all sorts of shenanigans I can get up to!
I downloaded one of Roland’s demo mc-707 projects and it contained one file, an mpj file (which incidentally was not actually a zip file btw), so there’s no easy way that I can see to access the assets.
Old 1 week ago
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101 manual

The reference manual and the midi impl chart is up
Old 1 week ago
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I actually realised that there would be after i said it



any standouts with large storage, sample per key, fast workflow?
I managed to pick up an Alesis Fusion 6HD with 384MB Ram, 120GB SSD for £350. Had to install a fan, as it was running very hot.

Anyhow I quite like the UI, but others seem to hate it. The Rompler engine alone has 4 partials which can FM each other, and sample start point as a modulatable destination. The main issue is that it only lets you modulate 10% into the sample.

So I’ve been adding junk silence to the end of my samples to alleviate this. The arp is great and made insane sounds.

Although the fan was mildly annoying to sort out, I’m very happy for £350, nice keybed included, a fatar tp 9/s weighted number.
Old 1 week ago
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The reference manual and the midi impl chart is up
Looks like it’s gone again.
Old 1 week ago
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any standouts with large storage, sample per key, fast workflow?
The Prophet X allows audio-rate modulation between samples or oscillators, including FM, AM, and filter FM. Ring modulation is also available in the effects section with a dedicated morphable oscillator (sine to saw) that tracks the lowest note held.
Old 1 week ago
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that is weird. i can't see i would have much use for that.
that's exactly how i use breakbeats, funk loops, etc inside Ableton. Loop on and Re-Pitch warp mode. "the old way" of matching up loops, i never use actual time-stretching.

not quite what you're talking about, and i see what you mean. that wouldn't work with what you're looking to do, you'd want to load your sample into a Tone/Drum track. no way to trigger or do much with Loop tracks, just think of it as a looping phrase recorder for now.

for the time being people are going to need to record/prep/chop samples some other way and import them as wav files.
Old 1 week ago
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Alesis Fusion 6HD...
Anyhow I quite like the UI, but others seem to hate it.
That styling!

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The Prophet X allows audio-rate modulation between samples or oscillators, including FM, AM, and filter FM. Ring modulation is also available in the effects section with a dedicated morphable oscillator (sine to saw) that tracks the lowest note held.
ha, yes of course

funny about the ring mod, I would have much preferred the Roland setup with each partial being able to be routed through the ring mod + having their own filter.. Their FX could use a bit of a better integration. A ring mod switch and page with relevant mod, carrier, levels would have been a lot better. Cant be that computationally intensive
Old 1 week ago
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Looks like it’s gone again.
Roland MC-101 reference manual

The 101 is a seriously crippled version of the 707 when it comes to sound designing. This, or there is a lot of content missing in the ref man...
Old 1 week ago
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Roland MC-101 reference manual

The 101 is a seriously crippled version of the 707 when it comes to sound designing. This, or there is a lot of content missing in the ref man...
wow, yeah... the 101 can barely do anything in that area.
Old 1 week ago
  #735
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... that smells like a typical Roland external editor which probaly will only work on Windows 7
Old 1 week ago
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Roland MC-101 reference manual

The 101 is a seriously crippled version of the 707 when it comes to sound designing. This, or there is a lot of content missing in the ref man...
Curious, 32 pages missing from the manual and a full page missing from the TOC. That’s a lot to account for. I wish I had it in me to A/B the manual.
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wow, yeah... the 101 can barely do anything in that area.
I remember someone on a video saying its exactly the same but just half the tracks


Damn thats crippled
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That styling!



ha, yes of course

funny about the ring mod, I would have much preferred the Roland setup with each partial being able to be routed through the ring mod + having their own filter.. Their FX could use a bit of a better integration. A ring mod switch and page with relevant mod, carrier, levels would have been a lot better. Cant be that computationally intensive
Yeah it looks like a 1950’s automobile.

So, can the 101 not do any synthesizing, can you not go into the partials/tones etc?
Old 1 week ago
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Yeah it looks like a 1950’s automobile.

So, can the 101 not do any synthesizing, can you not go into the partials/tones etc?
very simple synthesis options... filter, envelope, pitch, a few other things. i don't even think you can edit the LFOs, unless i missed something. just read through the Parameter lists in the back and compare it to the 707.
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Roland MC-101 reference manual

The 101 is a seriously crippled version of the 707 when it comes to sound designing. This, or there is a lot of content missing in the ref man...
Welp, that pretty much kills it for me... I guess Roland doesn't want to give away a full sound engine for peanuts. :(
Old 1 week ago
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very simple synthesis options... filter, envelope, pitch, a few other things. i don't even think you can edit the LFOs, unless i missed something. just read through the Parameter lists in the back and compare it to the 707.
It looks like there's just enough for automation. No way to get into the guts of it.
Old 1 week ago
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Well this is a shocking twist.
Old 1 week ago
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very simple synthesis options... filter, envelope, pitch, a few other things. i don't even think you can edit the LFOs, unless i missed something. just read through the Parameter lists in the back and compare it to the 707.
Yeah, I can see the differences.

The 101 is basically a modern Sound Canvas for bro’s.
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It looks like you can load your own drum samples onto their own pads on a drum track, so there's that...

But not being able to turn a sample into an instrument is a huge bummer.
Old 1 week ago
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I downloaded one of Roland’s demo mc-707 projects and it contained one file, an mpj file (which incidentally was not actually a zip file btw), so there’s no easy way that I can see to access the assets.
Thanks for checking! At this point, though, it's rather moot with me until Roland opens up tone editing on the 101.
Old 1 week ago
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Wow, yeah 101 is basically worse than the JDXIs front panel, but inside the whole machine
Old 1 week ago
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The reference manual and the midi impl chart is up
I downloaded all that on day one

I did have a chat with someone at Roland though and pointed them to several pages of errors, I assume they are proof reading over and over now
Old 1 week ago
  #748
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Wow, according to the 101 manual (page 25) you can record from the USB input of the device, but these geniuses at Roland didn't even bother including a simple audio input on the device itself? stupid
Old 1 week ago
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As they seem to be more different than assumed in the beginning, i think its time 707 and 101 part ways here on GS.

We should have dedicated threads in my opinion.
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It looks like you can load your own drum samples onto their own pads on a drum track, so there's that...

But not being able to turn a sample into an instrument is a huge bummer.
really though, it still lets you do as much with the sample (filters, etc) as most any other budget sampler does. custom drum/sample kits, like you said. plenty of fx and then bouncing to a Loop track, still a lot you can do with this thing. some pretty stiff competition at that price though.

might still be a cool portable accessory for MC-707 owners.
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