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Old 5 days ago
  #5251
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It's probably a stupid question, but I found this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXsNI2apRo

and in the YT description I read
"all sounds from MC-707"" without any sound processing
So the MC-707 can be connect to a MIDI keyboard, and played like a regular synth while playing other tracks through the arp/sequencer? I heard nice Moog-like lead tones, especially at 2:00 and 7:41.
Old 5 days ago
  #5252
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Originally Posted by loziodavid View Post
It's probably a stupid question, but I found this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXsNI2apRo

and in the YT description I read
"all sounds from MC-707"" without any sound processing
So the MC-707 can be connect to a MIDI keyboard, and played like a regular synth while playing other tracks through the arp/sequencer? I heard nice Moog-like lead tones, especially at 2:00 and 7:41.
Yes. You can even set a midi channel to always play the selected track, which works great!
Old 5 days ago
  #5253
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With a 6 year old girl, a laptop saved my musical inspiration two years ago.
In my case, I had kept a home studio but I never had the oppornuity to devote much time to it.

I bought a 12 'macbook, now discontinued, with 512 G of SSD.

I installed my licenses for Logic Pro, Ableton Live and the Arturia V collection.

With this laptop limited in power (but so much more powerful than my desktop mac from ten years ago), extremely mobile, with good battery life, I finally discovered the possibility of composing music easily and a everywhere. All over the house, but also on vacation, on business trips, etc. I just need a pair of headphones.


You can also consider the Roland MC 707, very complete and suitable for your use. Certain aspects of this machine really exasperate me (no arpeggiator, a matrix of clips and no patterns) but it sounds great.
Old 5 days ago
  #5254
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the arpeggiator (or, better, the I-Arpeggio...) would be the next big thing to add in next firmware. hopefully

also, some more drum sounds design possibilities would be welcome
Old 5 days ago
  #5255
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Rolands and users presets for effects would be great feature, or direct reading loops from SD bypassing the RAM because 64mb it's a pain in 2020
Old 5 days ago
  #5256
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I am about to order a 707 but one thing is still unclear to me - i have got an Audient iD44 and have attached a synth to it. Can i also attach the 707 to the Audient and play the 707 through it (and record both in my DAW)? I am asking because the 707 has got an USB audio interface of its own, so mybe there are some problems?
Old 5 days ago
  #5257
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I am about to order a 707 but one thing is still unclear to me - i have got an Audient iD44 and have attached a synth to it. Can i also attach the 707 to the Audient and play the 707 through it (and record both in my DAW)? I am asking because the 707 has got an USB audio interface of its own, so mybe there are some problems?
You can connect the 707'a audio outputs to your iD44 and record through that, like you would any instrument.

Alternatively, you can connect the 707's USB to your computer and set it up to be your interface and record through that. The advantage would be that you can record all the individual tracks at the same time. The downside would be that you'd have to either switch back and forth between using it or the iD44 as your audio interface if you're on Windows, or have to create an aggregate audio device (set up your computer to use multiple audio interfaces at the same time) if you are on Apple.
Old 4 days ago
  #5258
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You can connect the 707'a audio outputs to your iD44 and record through that, like you would any instrument.

Alternatively, you can connect the 707's USB to your computer and set it up to be your interface and record through that. The advantage would be that you can record all the individual tracks at the same time. The downside would be that you'd have to either switch back and forth between using it or the iD44 as your audio interface if you're on Windows, or have to create an aggregate audio device (set up your computer to use multiple audio interfaces at the same time) if you are on Apple.
Thanks, so good to know my Audient will still be of some use.
I am torn between the 707 and the MPC X. I am rather new to synths and related gear, so i would prefer a unit which is more easy to use. Is it safe to say that the 707 is easier to use, when it comes to the learning curve?

Also i wonder about the kind of the sound of both devices - watching YT videos i think the 707 has got its characteristic Roland sound, a sound of its own. I am
a bit afraid, that the X would sound something like my Kronos - a synth i had but did not like its sound. Any suggestions here?
Old 4 days ago
  #5259
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Oh crap I just tripped over some cables and dropped the MC-707 on the tiles outside!! The SD card flew out of it, and it has some serious scratches on 2 of the corners, but luckily it is still working! And the face panel is pretty much spared. Only some bumps in the plastic faceplate in one of the corners, but not that bad.

So I just got it for 2 weeks.. was still in the period of being able to return it, but I guess that option is off the table now. I wasn’t considering returning it, but I am kind of sad about the damage. Do you think I can get it repaired by Roland? Or get a replacement housing to do it myself?
If your dealer is any good, they might help you in some way. If not, a call to Roland might. You’d think, especially in these hard times, there would be sympathy and support galore for stuff like this.

Worst case you might get a discounted trade for a new one, maybe cheaper than going the repair route.

I feel for you; hope it turns out okay.
Old 4 days ago
  #5260
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Originally Posted by rsaintjohn View Post
Cuckoo posted a video a few weeks ago for the XV-5080 engine of the JUPITER-Xm. But the ZEN-Core engine structure is much the same as the XV-5080, and I’m guessing that the MC Zen Tone/Partial menu structure is not that different. It might be of some help:

That was an interesting vid, thanks. Incendently I stumbled upon another yt vid of someone showing how to replicate a SH101 sound that is really good too IMHO. If anyone is interested, here's the link : https://youtu.be/XAwMcZ-toOQ
Old 4 days ago
  #5261
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MC707 for £707 at Juno

Tempting. Has anyone seen it cheaper? (new)

Do you the think price will drop further in time?
Old 4 days ago
  #5262
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If your dealer is any good, they might help you in some way. If not, a call to Roland might. You’d think, especially in these hard times, there would be sympathy and support galore for stuff like this.

Worst case you might get a discounted trade for a new one, maybe cheaper than going the repair route.

I feel for you; hope it turns out okay.
Thanks for your empathy

I contacted Roland and I will probably be able to buy a spare housing to replace it myself hope it won’t be too expensive though..

Haven’t contacted the shop yet, but that’s a good idea actually, will do that, thnx
Old 4 days ago
  #5263
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Thanks for your empathy

I contacted Roland and I will probably be able to buy a spare housing to replace it myself hope it won’t be too expensive though..

Haven’t contacted the shop yet, but that’s a good idea actually, will do that, thnx
Curious to know how much Roland charges for the housing...
Old 4 days ago
  #5264
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the arpeggiator (or, better, the I-Arpeggio...) would be the next big thing to add in next firmware. hopefully

also, some more drum sounds design possibilities would be welcome
Arp update would make me jump on a 707 though I'm not convinced it will actually come (hope am wrong)

I think maybe they will keep it as a feature to differentiate between the grooveboxes and keyboards. Not sure otherwise why it wasn't in from the get go.
Old 4 days ago
  #5265
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MC707 for £707 at Juno

Tempting. Has anyone seen it cheaper? (new)

Do you the think price will drop further in time?
Mail them for a better price and they may drop it even more.
Old 4 days ago
  #5266
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I have gotten decent price drops before but this is already the lowest by a decent margin, doubt they'll budge unless to price match another store at this point. Maybe this is the new non price-fix price?

If I knew the arp was coming I would bite their hand off but I think I'll wait (in agony).

Any idea when the next FW update is due?
Old 4 days ago
  #5267
If they put a System-1 style scatter arp, or something even more in-depth (doesn't have to be an i-arp, just more than down, up, up+down, and the +2 octave), I'd pick up a MC-707. Lots of good lines came out of my old MC-303 with its rather simplistic arp.
Old 4 days ago
  #5268
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Trying to get my 707 to respond to my Novation SL MK3 over USB MIDI. I get nothing. Can't trigger any notes, and it won't respond to clock.
Old 4 days ago
  #5269
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Trying to get my 707 to respond to my Novation SL MK3 over USB MIDI. I get nothing. Can't trigger any notes, and it won't respond to clock.
How did you connect it? You can't connect the 707 directly to the SL MK3 through a USB cable, so you must have some midi router or something like that? Or a DAW?
Old 4 days ago
  #5270
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So, the first Model Expansion is released; the JX-8P. It doesn't appear to be compatible with the MC-101/707, yet?
Old 4 days ago
  #5271
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just got one of these, Sweetwater included it free with the purchase of the 707:



pretty nice, though it might actually be just a bit too small for the 707 (haven't tried putting it in yet). it's actually made for the TR-8/TR-8S and MX-1, which are almost an inch less wide than the 707.
I’ve been looking at this, quite expensive. Did it fit, Roland hs it as an accessory for the 707 if you click the accessory tab on the product page....hmmm
Old 4 days ago
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Curious to know how much Roland charges for the housing...
its almost guaranteed to make you say wholy mother of gawd, i may aswell buy a complete new one.

i stand to be corrected, but ime im safe.
Old 4 days ago
  #5273
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For the same program/preset is there a sound quality difference between the 707 and the 101 ?
Old 4 days ago
  #5274
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No.
Old 4 days ago
  #5275
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So, the first Model Expansion is released; the JX-8P. It doesn't appear to be compatible with the MC-101/707, yet?

appears not, yet

We need to pay the £1 to get the sound packs, is that correct? Does that mean you have to get a lifetime key for the models as well - i.e. $150?
Old 4 days ago
  #5276
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appears not, yet

We need to pay the £1 to get the sound packs, is that correct? Does that mean you have to get a lifetime key for the models as well - i.e. $150?
This confused me and ended up doing the trial , then I realised I needed to pay for the packs, which are ok , but nothing that can’t be done yourself, some are quite basic patches.
I’m guessing you will have to pay for a licence , but I wouldn’t be surprised if the models are only available for zenology , I think I read somewhere some hw you won’t be able to export these to.
Old 4 days ago
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appears not, yet

We need to pay the £1 to get the sound packs, is that correct? Does that mean you have to get a lifetime key for the models as well - i.e. $150?
The sound packs are just a bunch of presets, these don't expand the synth engine.

As I understand, the model expansions are to expand both the Zenology plugin and any compatible hardware synth engine. At the moment, there is no compatible hardware yet (even the Jupiter-X is not listed as compatible, although it already has the models on board). So I guess, with the Jupiter-X they are built in, any other Zen-core hardware may or may not (depending on its compability) be upgraded with the model expansions.

So I think if you buy the expansion, it is listed to your account and you can upgrade all your compatible hardware with the single buy. The hardware then also gets "linked" to your account and you will not be able to mix expansions of multiple accounts on 1 device; you'll have to clear it up then first.

Then we will also have the Zenology PRO plugin, which seems to me to be the Zen-Core synthesis engine, fully editable, just like the MC-707 is able to edit each parameter, and the MC-101 is only able to edit the "macro" knobs - like the Zenology LITE plugin. As I understand, the Zenology PRO is separated from the Model Expansions and I expect you will be able to fully edit any purchased Model without having to use the Zenology PRO. Although, the Models will probably be built into the same UI as the Zenology LITE/PRO plugins, as you can seamlessly swap models etc. according to Roland.
Old 4 days ago
  #5278
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The sound packs are just a bunch of presets, these don't expand the synth engine.
And they're a bit of a PITA to use, they are not added to the pre-set list but are in a separate folder in the SD card, you have to 'install' each one to see the presets and click enter to load it up, it doesn't seem to do the preview thing like normal presets.
Even then, unless I'm doing something wrong, you have to go thorough the whole rigmarole again even if looking at presets from the same pack, install the pack, go through the sounds - hopefully someone will correct me here and say they are added to the preset list once you click 'install' and I didn't notice them added to the end of the massive preset list...
Old 4 days ago
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And they're a bit of a PITA to use, they are not added to the pre-set list but are in a separate folder in the SD card, you have to 'install' each one to see the presets and click enter to load it up, it doesn't seem to do the preview thing like normal presets.
Even then, unless I'm doing something wrong, you have to go thorough the whole rigmarole again even if looking at presets from the same pack, install the pack, go through the sounds - hopefully someone will correct me here and say they are added to the preset list once you click 'install' and I didn't notice them added to the end of the massive preset list...
I hope this will change indeed. I haven't bought any packs, but they won't add to the general browse structure and you won't even be able to preview them, I will not even think about buying some.

I prefer to make my own patches anyway.
Old 4 days ago
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Yeah i'm aware the presets are just that but I was pretty happy for the idea of extra models for the MC, even if the prices are a tad steep - a non-acb-extra-model groovebox is pretty cool



and yeah what a obtuse method just to get some presets - why cant we just have presets, save them in folders like, you know, 99% of every other synth on the planet
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