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Can a bass synth ever outdo an electric bass guitar ? Keyboard Synthesizers
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I watched a flowset with my squirrelfriend once.
Old 1 week ago
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Anyhow here's the slutty answer:

1. Buy a bass guitar. Never use the normal pickups
2. Buy a Roland bass-midi pickup and midi converter
3. Buy a mono synth per string. Maybe get some modular for max modulation
4. Buy a load of midi cables and a midi patchbay to manage all the midi
5. Buy an SSL six to put the monos through
6. Employ that kemper dude to tune the mono hyperparameters to sound exactly like a bass guitar
7. Show everyone how awesome your setup is that sounds exactly like a bass
8. Let all the equipment gather dust and then sell it all because it's too complicated
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9. Play a bass guitar
Old 1 week ago
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I've yet to see a synth do this...
Old 1 week ago
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For some songs yes and for some no! Which is why it doesn't hurt to learn how to play multiple instruments.
Old 1 week ago
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Bass!

As both a bass guitarist and keyboard player, I say there's a world of difference, at least in the live performance aspect.

Bass guitar rules for groove, locking in with the drums, and moving the dancers on the floor.
Old 1 week ago
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Yeah, two quite different things. Some lines conceived on bass guitar really wouldn't sound right on a synth bass, and vice versa. Synth bass of course is always great for lines that are sort of repetitive and relentless, the kind of thing that would become tedious to play on bass guitar.

Having said that, I often end up playing lines on synth bass that aren't a huge departure from what I would've played on bass guitar. Seems like when I do lay down a synth bass, it's often a Mini-type bass because it's still about the best type of synth bass sound for busy, roving bass lines with lots of slides and vibrato. I guess I tend to think like a bass player even when playing lines on keys.
Old 1 week ago
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Any videos of someone attempting acid on a bass guitar?
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Any videos of someone attempting acid on a bass guitar?
Old 1 week ago
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No. But with a slight shift in style, keyboards are a great bass part. The doors pulled that off well.
Old 1 week ago
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^kinda. Thanks!
Old 1 week ago
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No. But with a slight shift in style, keyboards are a great bass part. The doors pulled that off well.
Only live though. The Doors recordings used a studio bassist.
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Say what?
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No, they're different instruments that both can take care of the bottom spectrum of the musical scape. I'd prefer being a gifted bass player than a genius TB303 programmer though! Real instruments are so expressive they go beyond the composition part of the music.
Old 1 week ago
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Major props to that bass player. At times really groovy / funky / acid-y.

Those 303 lines tho.... squelchy funk that make you wanna move.

Goes to show it's not only the lines, but the delivery that counts.

I vote 303 > bass guitar this round.
Old 1 week ago
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So you feel comfortable saying that you could duplicate what the bassist in the video is doing with a sampler and a keyboard ?
Apart from a curiosity, or producers saving time and money on demos or ultra cheap productions, nobody wants to.

Synth bass sounds good in its own right. This is a non issue, lol.
Old 1 week ago
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for articulation and expression, I'll say no. for example,.Jan Hammer is great, but doesn't approach a really proficient guitarist. in my opinion, the swill be.true for bass.

HOWEVER, there are applications in which a live bass player is not going.to be enough. consider Bernie Worrell and Bootsy Collins' collaborative bass on Parliament Funkadelic's Flashlight. without a Moog bassline, that branch of funk would not have been possible. another good example is David Bowie's Let's Dance, which alternates among measures between live bass and synth bass (don't know the instrument).

it would be.fun to post our attempts. I don't play bass but was ALWAYS trying.to imitate live bass articulation! my dream was to play bass in a live band.using only a keytar. no lie! I did it exactly once using a DX100 midi'd to a VZ8m, because NO LEFT-HANDED KEYTARS.
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Hmm, yeah IF you have a Roland SH-2 handy, that is.
All you need is a synth with an ADSR envelope to do it. The PWM isn't necessary it just does the "compressed" part of the sound.

The simpler "electric bass" only requires an AD

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No. But with a slight shift in style, keyboards are a great bass part. The doors pulled that off well.

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Only live though. The Doors recordings used a studio bassist.

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Say what?
Here's Ray talking about the bassline in Riders on the storm

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Only live though. The Doors recordings used a studio bassist.
The studio bassist just doubled the keyboard parts though.
Old 1 week ago
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At the rate these types of threads are popping up we will need a I Hate Electronic Music Production & Instruments sub-forum.
Old 1 week ago
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There's a Source Audio spokesbassist who was demonstrating dubstep wubs with a bass guitar and a Hot Hand device. EHX just came out with YET ANOTHER pedal to make your bass sound like a synth! So I guess all's fair in love and war and bass, and the times have been a-changin'.

It's actually backwards from the thread title. Right now, at this point in time, everyone wants to sound like a synth. But it wont last. Once the bar hits rock bottom (when synth slap bass is the flavor of the day), it will have nowhere to go but up. But I'm hoping rock bottom is a false-bottom treasure chest full of even more synth bass.
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There's a Source Audio spokesbassist who was demonstrating dubstep wubs with a bass guitar and a Hot Hand device. EHX just came out with YET ANOTHER pedal to make your bass sound like a synth! So I guess all's fair in love and war and bass, and the times have been a-changin'.

It's actually backwards from the thread title. Right now, at this point in time, everyone wants to sound like a synth. But it wont last. Once the bar hits rock bottom (when synth slap bass is the flavor of the day), it will have nowhere to go but up. But I'm hoping rock bottom is a false-bottom treasure chest full of even more synth bass.
The pedals are very cool, but the response is not the same. For example, I think the best one is the Future Impact, but I still have to adjust my play style for it. I also normally just shake notes with my fingers for vibrato but the bass synth pedals don't really register that sound so you actually lose a lot of expression. Don't get me wrong, I still use them, and they are cool but the most "playable" one for me is still my old Boss OC-2.

So for synth bass in the studio I use synths, but if I need something live in a pinch, the future impact is fantastic. It just requires a different technique and ironically, I find playing a bass synth to be more expressive.
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At the rate these types of threads are popping up we will need a I Hate Electronic Music Production & Instruments sub-forum.
OP here. This thread has nothing to do with "hatred" of anything. Funny (not really) how any type of alternative view of anything, diverging opinion, slightest difference in belief, is labelled "hate" of the mainstay position.

And btw, I consider myself a full-fledged electronic musician.

Old 3 days ago
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It's simple really, and should be pretty self-evident. Check your ego at the door.

For some music, you need the expression and performance of an electric bass guitar.

For other music, a synth bass is what's needed.

Once in awhile, they're interchangeable, or substituting one for the other can cause jaws to drop.

Sometimes you need a grand piano, sometimes chiptunes will do. It all depends...
Old 3 days ago
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I think it depends not just on the track but also on the role the "synth bass" is playing and the specifics of the sound.

There's some great synth bass lines (Herbie Hancock's Chameleon springs to mind straight away), and as a keyboard/synth player I have no issue with synth bass per se.

Personally I like it less when the synth or sample is an attempt to sound like a bass than when it is clearly something that has its own vibe.

I have attempted to imitate bass guitar in the past (to do some parts I could not play on bass myself) but since then I have used a session player to do those parts and not regretted it - the results are so much better.

Examples of my past efforts. These were played in on the keyboard using samples and run through an amp sim.

https://eyesofetherea.bandcamp.com/track/fractaldactyl
https://eyesofetherea.bandcamp.com/track/retropod
Old 3 days ago
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someone ring up tommy jenks and ask him
imho a real bass is the cats titts and tuff to beat
Old 2 days ago
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... Examples of my past efforts. These were played in on the keyboard using samples and run through an amp sim.

https://eyesofetherea.bandcamp.com/track/fractaldactyl
https://eyesofetherea.bandcamp.com/track/retropod
pretty cool, nice tunes.
Old 2 days ago
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pretty cool, nice tunes.
Cheers!
Old 2 days ago
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Once in awhile, they're interchangeable, or substituting one for the other can cause jaws to drop.
When I read that, an example that came to mind was Madonna's "Bad Girl". The studio version had a droning synth bass (sounded a lot like Taurus pedals) playing roots and a few passing tones. Then she did it live on SNL and had a bassist tearing it up on fretless and it just took that song to another level.
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For live? Very hard....
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