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The polychaining of monos thread
Old 3rd July 2019
  #211
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Pretty, pretty good! I'd like to polychain a few Volca Keys. I've got two that I can layer for 2 osc 3 note paraphony and that sounds splendid.
Old 3rd July 2019
  #212
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Preaching to the choir! I like the beating of the VCOs! If it doesn't make my face ace when I play it with other synths, then it is in tune enough.

I originally bought 2 Abyss to create an 8 voice with my midigal, but the 2
are so different, it really never went to that stage. Rather, I compromised for a
2 VCO 4 voice stereo Abyss setup. I still use midigal to split midi channel 1
into 5,6,7,8 and both Abyss are in multichannel mode starting on channel 5.
This allows me to run dynamic voice allocation when midigal is set to stacked rather than poly, so in this mode I get 8 VCOs on 1 note played.

My 4 voice Monotribe is on ice to make room for the Abyss. I only have
a 10' x 8' room for everything.

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Originally Posted by Vertflyer View Post
The Erebus v2 took a good 20 minute or more. Honestly though, part of the character was the constantly untuned units in the first 20 minutes. I usually tuned after 5 minutes then again at 30 minutes. But in between I would enjoy the instability for what it was. Obviously you can turn them on an hour before using and go eat dinner or something.
Old 3rd July 2019
  #213
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GAF Vu Master View Post
Preaching to the choir! I like the beating of the VCOs! If it doesn't make my face ace when I play it with other synths, then it is in tune enough.

I originally bought 2 Abyss to create an 8 voice with my midigal, but the 2
are so different, it really never went to that stage. Rather, I compromised for a
2 VCO 4 voice stereo Abyss setup. I still use midigal to split midi channel 1
into 5,6,7,8 and both Abyss are in multichannel mode starting on channel 5.
This allows me to run dynamic voice allocation when midigal is set to stacked rather than poly, so in this mode I get 8 VCOs on 1 note played.

My 4 voice Monotribe is on ice to make room for the Abyss. I only have
a 10' x 8' room for everything.
I see we have the same disease! Did you see my poly odyssey thread?

How do you like the abyss? In multichannel mode, what can you control separately on each channel? Like differing filter amounts?
Old 3rd July 2019
  #214
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Separate glide, and ADSR for filter and amp. and velocity setting, IIRC.
yep, but not cuttoff, waveform, or filter env amount.


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Originally Posted by Vertflyer View Post
I see we have the same disease! Did you see my poly odyssey thread?

How do you like the abyss? In multichannel mode, what can you control separately on each channel? Like differing filter amounts?
Old 3 weeks ago
  #215
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Originally Posted by Vertflyer View Post
That depends on the algorithm of the voice allocator. The midigal has a few algorithms to choose from. When I had 4 Erebus v2, I turned off each units paraphonic mode. You could leave it on for effect. Basically the second note the voice allocator plays on the same midi channel while the first is still held down will effect the second osc.

just to thank you for the tips from some weeks ago...
i'm unfamiliar with midigal, need to check it. my current keyboard controllers are korg prophecy and akai miniak, i hope driving 2 erebus units would work straight that way. setting up the units as explained in the manual, and sending the same midi channel to both units, as you say.



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Btw, even two Erebus V2 sounded incredibly amazing. Of all my 4 voice experimentation, the Erebus V2 sounded the best.
interesting that you say that... what exactly you liked the best - how the polyphony sounded compared to other polychained monos, or the erebus chord sound itself?

my idea is that 2 erebus units (or maybe even 3 if i find it cheap) will get me more or less to decent old-school sound similar to abyss, for less money... or in fact, would give me some serious midi driven vco poly sound on cheap. hope i'm not mistaken.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #216
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Originally Posted by analog greg View Post
just to thank you for the tips from some weeks ago...
i'm unfamiliar with midigal, need to check it. my current keyboard controllers are korg prophecy and akai miniak, i hope driving 2 erebus units would work straight that way. setting up the units as explained in the manual, and sending the same midi channel to both units, as you say.





interesting that you say that... what exactly you liked the best - how the polyphony sounded compared to other polychained monos, or the erebus chord sound itself?

my idea is that 2 erebus units (or maybe even 3 if i find it cheap) will get me more or less to decent old-school sound similar to abyss, for less money... or in fact, would give me some serious midi driven vco poly sound on cheap. hope i'm not mistaken.
I think my wording is not fully clear. You will need a voice allocator if you want the two Erebus to operate in polyphonic mode. The Erebus does have paraphonic chaining that is interesting to play with, but it’s likely not what you are expecting. I would suggest ordering a midigal from midisizer if you want a hardware voice dispatcher. If you have eurorack, there are a few options there. If you are using a daw, there might be some options. I know of a program for Mac. I’m not fully sure what to use for pc.

But yes, two voices of Erebus does sound amazing. Remember that you do need to program each Erebus individually to the same sound.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #217
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CV OCD is also an option for polychaining.
I rigged up 4 Monotribes this way.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #218
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From what I got out of my 2 Abyss, has for me, not sounded like
the Erebus. Heck, even my 2 Abyss do not behave (or sound) the same way.
I had originally bought a midigal to make an 8 voice Abyss, but opted
for a dual 4 VCO stereo rig instead, as when they say handbuilt, they mean it.
I call one yin and the other yang.

Only YT experience with the Erebus which I love but can't afford as 2 Abyss
were not cheap retail at the time. In retrospect I was lucky to find 2 in stock.

I enjoy the divergence of character with the Dreadbox.
For a contrast, the same patch on my 4 Blofelds sounds identical like a clone.

On my 2 Abyss, the sliders do not represent the same value or the scaling is different especially on the glide parameter.

At least here in Canada here is a recent search on kijiji for Dreadbox or Vermona Canada wide.
When these brands are up, you have to move fast. Dreadbox never seems to make a product for too long.
I suspect the Abyss was about 500 made or so.

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Originally Posted by analog greg View Post

my idea is that 2 erebus units (or maybe even 3 if i find it cheap) will get me more or less to decent old-school sound similar to abyss, for less money... or in fact, would give me some serious midi driven vco poly sound on cheap. hope i'm not mistaken.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #219
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Thanks.
The warbling you here is because all of these Monotribes have the VCF mod.
This is a 1/8" jack to a 12k resistor to the center Fc pot to allow for external CV
control.
The MS-20Kit supplies this randomness by S&H the signal through the F2Voltage
output back to the CV to the Monotribes.
The closest to modular I will ever get (maybe)!



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Originally Posted by rockmanrock View Post
Pretty, pretty good! I'd like to polychain a few Volca Keys. I've got two that I can layer for 2 osc 3 note paraphony and that sounds splendid.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #220
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With this thread I decided to put 2 Monotribes back together for a 2 minute demo.
2 Monotribes, each with its own envelope (of sorts).
No effects from the board.

Both respond to Filter Cutoff CV from CVOCD to Aftertouch

clicky with all the warts intact! I crank up the resonance at the end!
Attached Files
Old 3 weeks ago
  #221
tok
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Monotribe sounds about as good as anything

That triangle wave on that beast!!!
Old 3 weeks ago
  #222
This is such a great thread. I also appreciate the shout-outs early on.

I've torn apart all the stuff in my studio and am redoing it all this week and next (waiting for a few things to arrive). Part of the incentive for this was that I wasn't able to use my Poly Phatty the way I wanted, and it was getting buried. I decided to pick up one more Slim and also a Little Phatty Stage II (so I can edit and control the sounds from a keyboard with a purpose-made interface) that are both arriving in the next week. I've already put the rest of the slims in a new rack, and it's impressive to behold





Note that I've purchased some slightly longer power cords. Those 1' ones are just too tight here. I was hoping to avoid a long of hanging power cables, but the angle on these ones will cause fatigue over time.

FWIW, the Poly Phatty sounds absolutely amazing through the Dreadbox Hypnosis. Once I get things back in order, I'll record something there.

My ultimate intent is to build a better synth using the voice cards from the slims, but I haven't gotten to that in the past 5 years, and want to just enjoy the synth :P


The only other mono->poly I'm working on is made up of four Analogue Solution nyborg-12s. I'm basically putting together the modern equivalent of an Oberheim four-voice. Turns out the rack ears are unobtanium, though, so I may need to make some myself.

Pete
Old 3 weeks ago
  #223
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Duophonic Monotribes Ride Again Part 2.

The tech:
midi controller to CV OCD which supplies
low note and high note CV/Gate to 2 Monotribes (No 1 and 4).

TT-78 (muted at start but comes in later) sends midi to
a Akai Tom Cat with its headphones sent into VCO muted (Monotribe No. 3)
External In. Non CV mode with trigger from Tom Cat. S&H from this clock.

Starts out Tom Cat through Monotribe.
Then the duo of Monotribes come in (low note/high note)
Then I add TT-78 in

Recorded live to H1 recorder
Board effects HOF Reverb V1, Strymon Deco.

EDIT: looks like I had the 2 Monotribes panned in stereo as well.
Attached Files
Old 2 weeks ago
  #224
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Duophonic Pair of Monotribes (left and center)
plus Monotribe Right processes a Fully Mauled Tom Cat
through its VCF+Clocked S&H filter.

Backed up by polychained Blofeld

Old 2 weeks ago
  #225
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Duophonic Monotribes through the filter of a Korg EA-1 Mark 1.
Percussion TT-78 and Tom Cat.
At 1:30ish I bring the Abyss in.
backed up by Waldorf Blofeld, but subtle.
Both Monotribes have aftertouch routed to Filter Cutoff as well as a mod
Attached Files
Old 1 week ago
  #226
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My core 4 Voice polychained Monotribes test.
4 VCOs and 4 VCFs 12db per Octave.
All Monotribes except 1:50 to 2:10 which is Blofeld (polychained) patch H099 Emerson 99.
Second stanza I turn up the res on each VCF.
Listen for the triangle waves!

So each VCO gets its own VCF, just like mom used to make em!
Attached Files
Old 1 week ago
  #227
The noise of 8 Moog Phatty synths calibrating through a Dreadbox Hypnosis.

Obviously not music

Old 1 week ago
  #228
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If you took this as a granular snippet for a Quantum, I bet it would form
a cool composition!
I actually dig autotuning my Abyss as they are left right panned.
You get this round robin effect as they tune.

Of course the word "tune" being used in the same sentence as "Abyss"
is a relative thing, and one of the reasons I like the imperfections
of VCOs!



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The noise of 8 Moog Phatty synths calibrating through a Dreadbox Hypnosis.

Obviously not music

Old 1 week ago
  #229
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It's back but this time with a clocked global LFO to all 4 voices.
Starts and ends PolyTRIBE.
Joined by Vermona 14 and PolyChained Blofeld (H099)
Percussion TT-78 and Tom Cat




mp3: 4 VOICE polyTRIBE with Vermona perFOURmer.
Recorded and performed live BUT edited in Audacity to
add backwards reverb.
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Old 1 week ago
  #230
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I admit that I’m a poly chaining gearslut in that I have an Evolver array, of now just 3, one Mono Evolver Keyboard and 2x Evolver Desktops.

Prior to my move one year ago I sold my Poly Evolver Rack and another MEK, in which I once had 8 voice array via polychain.

A little Evolver goes a long way and so reduced herd to three voices and when unison is on, that’s 12 oscillators of a hybrid slightly unstable.
Old 1 week ago
  #231
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GAF Vu Master View Post
It's back but this time with a clocked global LFO to all 4 voices.
Starts and ends PolyTRIBE.
Joined by Vermona 14 and PolyChained Blofeld (H099)
Percussion TT-78 and Tom Cat




mp3: 4 VOICE polyTRIBE with Vermona perFOURmer.
Recorded and performed live BUT edited in Audacity to
add backwards reverb.
Nice. Good work.
Old 6 days ago
  #232
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An experiment to use my 5th out of 6 Monotribes as
a random style LFO to control the VCFs of the 4 other
Monotribes that create the "harmony".

Had the effect on full, which creates some intermodulation distortion
of the 4 filters. (I meant to have attenuated the effect but lava
lamps are legal in Canada now)



Old 6 days ago
  #233
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I polychained, Korg Monologue, SE-02, Bass station 2, Moog slim phatty, Korg Volta bass, tb 303 with Polymer. Even when I got everything in tune it sounded like ****. My conclusion was just buy a poly synth. I will try four tb 303s at some point to hear what a poly 303 will sound like.
Old 6 days ago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GAF Vu Master View Post
An experiment to use my 5th out of 6 Monotribes as
a random style LFO to control the VCFs of the 4 other
Monotribes that create the "harmony".

Had the effect on full, which creates some intermodulation distortion
of the 4 filters. (I meant to have attenuated the effect but lava
lamps are legal in Canada now)




Amazing!
Old 4 days ago
  #235
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Duophonic MutaTRIBE formed with 2 Monotribes (low note)
controlled via CV/Gate from CV OCD controlled via MIDI
from the controller MS-20Kit to the Kenton USB to Midi.

Monotribe contributes 2 VCOs and 2 VCFs

MS-20Kit contributes 2 VCOs (high note) and 2 VCFs in series.
MS-20Kit supplies EG1 AR envelope to control Fc on
Monotribes through a simple mod
(12k resistor and 1/8" jack to cutoff pot)

ingredients at a glance
MS-20Kit
2 Monotribes
Kenton USB to MIDI
CV OCD



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