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Volca (sample) firmware hack?
Old 1 week ago
  #361
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Hm I guess, but an issue is that this means you have to have something to send CC to begin with. It would be nice to have access to this even if you are just using the Sample itself.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Good point. I tend to think in terms of external control, since that's mostly how I'm using my Samples now.

It would be nice if you could set it per-voice. I'm not sure how hard it is to get in the knickers of button presses, but you could potentially apply my idea to the FUNC+STEP11 button press and make it a three-way setting on the Sample itself: ON/INFINITE/OFF. Ideally the LED would provide a different indication for INFINITE, like being dimmer or flashing fast or something. That might all be too complicated to change in the firmware though, I don't know.
Old 1 week ago
  #362
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i've just been messing around with it: don't really know what the big deal is about looped decay length, it's pretty long if you retrigger each bar. i'd better run back and check just from k/b ...

i mean, in context, it's pretty good.
Old 1 week ago
  #363
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i've just been messing around with it: don't really know what the big deal is about looped decay length, it's pretty long if you retrigger each bar. i'd better run back and check just from k/b ...

i mean, in context, it's pretty good.
It is pretty good in context, but it could use a little tweaking for more possibilities I guess.
I brought up the decay discussion mainly because I was thinking about how the Sample has so much potential as a drone machine with single cycle waveforms. Also being able to loop samples indefinitely can free the user from the internal sequencer for looser/more organic loops.
The fading loop is fine in most cases, but having a Global setting for it being infinite is a nice touch to help varying usage of the Sample.
Old 1 week ago
  #364
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in that case 'sustain' would be the answer, were it possible.

? ... so: mode: if Loop = on, Note On = ...? Decay Time?

unless there's some kind of simple solution, may be better to focus on refining what's done so far, imo - rather than getting sidetracked with something that is near-impossible to achieve, given software envelopes etc.

- - - -

thought of this yesterday: i keep forgetting to set 'Motion' on
so then i record a pass, but have to go back and delete it, set Func+Motion, and do it again. not a big deal. 'Motion always on' mode ? but maybe that would end up being problematic too. (hey, it's great to be able to have midi pitch for every sound, i'm not complaining) (into the onboard sequencer, i mean)

any chance of having a mode where ONLY ch11 mode is enabled? still banging that drum. eg: being parsimonious about midi channels eg: for use on a single midi bus where you need all channels.
(for external sequencing only)

some options i thought of:
-Global enable for each of the modes
-maybe split the ch1-10 mode into eg: 2 groups, so you'd have 'ch1-5', 'ch6-10'

interested to hear what pajen thinks of the 'zones' idea. still haven't heard what he has to say about that. personally, am not too keen on repeating octaves of vel/non-vel all the way up the keyboard. i'm sure there are issues i haven't thought of with that... the ch11 voices can already be recorded to the onboard sequencer with pitches. but what happens if using only an external sequencer? i suppose you're actually sending CCs with the midi notes, so perhaps zones are not necessary, since every voice can already have that behaviour - er but no: it won't work like that, because they are mapped sequentially in repeating octaves, umm.. ?
eg: back to the zones idea.
Old 6 days ago
  #365
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interesting thing about pajen's mod is that the Sample's sequencer now has a happy-accident element - the kind of thing that is appreciated with the sh101's sequencer, or external trigger sequencing:

once you've recorded the pitches, you can move the triggers, and maybe get lucky (most of the time). this is very cool. have to organise a kit with loads of short synth transients. currently just have a few onboard, Solid Bass, things like that. (i tried to upload a full kit but it wouldn't accept a <4mb zip :( )
Old 6 days ago
  #366
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@ pajen :

? what's the end plan for these firmwares ? wider release ?
( thinking about having a 2nd one ! )
Old 1 day ago
  #367
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remembering @ pajen talking about how he's managed to tinker with the Beats as well < lots of cowbells added.

am wondering (again) about improvement to the little ole' Beats, since he's managed to send velocity to Level (or 'any' midi CC). that would kick it into a different league - i don't know if he could make it record 'accents' (eg: part level)?

or? what else? it records Stutter Time and Depth per part, if you turn off Global Stutter. Velocity to Stutter? or PCM Speed? (?... not sure what that would be like)

Pattern Change, like on the VSample and FM ? (i know, i'm repeating an earlier post. started thinking about it again after a post on another thread).

seems like adding user samples would be tricky, and require a firmware rewrite each time. would a little program do for that?
Old 1 day ago
  #368
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hehe YEsss... managed to attach a file over a ludicrously long-distance slow wifi connection. here's 1min46 of stupidity demonstrating new pitch and velocity capability of the Sample. not for laptop speakers, and no attempt at 'production' - just the volca, jamming patterns a few days ago, doing stuff you can't do with a regular Sample. got a few more, but the connection is cranky.
Attached Files

1. firmware25 0102 01.mp3 (2.04 MB, 184 views)


Last edited by whatever17; 13 hours ago at 08:03 AM..
Old 1 day ago
  #369
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oh f***, it managed some more...

(same disclaimer as before)
Attached Files

1. firmware24 0102 01.mp3 (2.07 MB, 174 views)

1. firmware26 0102 01.mp3 (7.30 MB, 182 views)


Last edited by whatever17; 13 hours ago at 08:00 AM..
Old 14 hours ago
  #370
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One thing I have noticed is that when recording motion sequences from midi, it does not seem to quantize CC and triggers the same way. So; sometimes the note pitch is recorded after the trig - even if the associated pitch is always reported to the Sample before the trig itself. Annoying. Hard to get to as well.
I expect the RK-002 has that same problem?
/P
Old 14 hours ago
  #371
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hi Pajen!

Regarding the Volca FM, do you think portamento could be implemented via firmware or is it not feasible at all?

Thanks !
Old 13 hours ago
  #372
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sometimes the note pitch is recorded after the trig - even if the associated pitch is always reported to the Sample before the trig itself. Annoying. Hard to get to as well.
I expect the RK-002 has that same problem?
/P
yep that's a bit of an issue, getting things into the sequencer faithfully.
i wonder if it's the same from an external sequencer. seems ok from the keyboard.
possibly a limitation of the internal sequencer?

i've ended up moving triggers afterwards, so you come up with little 'happy accidents', as mentioned. doesn't bother me too much. still much better than before.

you see why i'd like an option to have all on one midich, somehow - although.. now i've been able to re-pitch all samples, that is an extra i hadn't envisaged
so i don't know how a 'single channel' option would work.
Old 13 hours ago
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yep that's a bit of an issue, getting things into the sequencer faithfully.
i wonder if it's the same from an external sequencer. seems ok from the keyboard.
possibly a limitation of the internal sequencer?

i've ended up moving triggers afterwards, so you come up with little 'happy accidents', as mentioned. doesn't bother me too much. still much better than before.

you see why i'd like an option to have all on one midich, somehow - although.. now i've been able to re-pitch all samples, that is an extra i hadn't envisaged
so i don't know how a 'single channel' option would work.
I’ve tried to get hold of this firmware by PM’ing pajen but haven’t heard anything. I’m very excited to test it out.
Old 13 hours ago
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I’ve tried to get hold of this firmware by PM’ing pajen but haven’t heard anything. I’m very excited to test it out.
this one requires the machine to be 'authorised' first. i'm not sure what that means; if it's written into these betas to only recognise the initial beta testers' machines. he hasn't been clear yet about the end masterplan for release.
maybe try to get onboard for the next version?
Old 13 hours ago
  #375
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There is no "end masterplan", I dont really know how to play this. The FM fw fix is somewhat "morally easier" because I have focused on actually fixing real bugs that everybody expected to be fixed by now. No real qualms about that.
The sample has no real bugs, but rather some original design choices that a lot of folks are unhappy with.
/P
Old 11 hours ago
  #376
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aaah but you still added a few things with the FM...

i 'moot' that, as long as it's reversible, there is no 'moral issue'.
is there a reverse engineering clause? that could be an issue.
otherwise it's a hack, a virtual circuitbend - and Korg punted the original volcas expressly on the hardware mods ticket. i'd say it's cool. they released SYRO for public use, and you've made brilliant use of it. (thanks again btw)

the upgraded Sample is not interfering with any of their other products (electribe), so i don't really see an issue.

any point in discussing it with them ? i have a feeling they might be quite chuffed, that user-end culture delivers this.

that said, i quite agree with your policy of limiting distribution at this stage until you've got versions you're happy with,
so that there aren't loads of half-done versions in the wild.
Old 9 hours ago
  #377
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If all that comes out of this is the added CC50 for sample select, I will be very happy

I dont need anything else tbh, everything else I can work around
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