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Old 2nd October 2018
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Does each synth have its own MIDI channel, or is it single channel, only for keyboard zones? That would make a difference as to how much more 16 voices will be worth.
Old 2nd October 2018
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maybe they use asics like in andromeda, which are very compact
Not likely i guess, Moog as a company to small, dont have the funds and there is no reason to do it that way. This can be done semidiscrete, we will know later anyway! Else i will eat my hat!

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Old 2nd October 2018
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And yet you took the time to quote and reply?

But back on topic, judging from the MIDI and 1/4" jacks on the back panel this looks to be the equivalent of 3-4 RU's thick. When you factor in the wooden box, the need for a power supply, and the other 3 digital boards how big can the voice board actually be?

How much heat is generated inside such a thin synth?

How will that heat effect the SMT components inside long term?
PSU is external in old tradition
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Does each synth have its own MIDI channel, or is it single channel, only for keyboard zones? That would make a difference as to how much more 16 voices will be worth.
I would bet money that you can set the channel for each section.
Old 2nd October 2018
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I would bet money that you can set the channel for each section.
I would hope so, but why not just make it the full 16 parts multi since those specifications would have to be written in anyways?
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Not likely i guess, Moog as a company to small, dont have the funds and there is no reason to do it that way. This can be done semidiscrete, we will know later anyway! Else i will eat my hat!

<moderator edit - please post this in it's own thread, and let's focus on Moog One instead>
that was meant ironically

< moderator edit - please let's focus on Moog One instead >

that the asics were very expensive at that time was reflected in the first prices of the andromeda, until it was finally sold off for 2k.
it is not possible that asics have become more affordable, ok small edition 200 pieces .. hmm

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Old 2nd October 2018
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Smdh @ the Cult of "Uli".

Here's a hint: R&D on original and innovative designs will tend to cost. Most of us will never be able to afford / justify this, and that's fine. We can still admire a beautiful piece of design, look forward to hearing more and maybe if it all works out even grabbing one used some point down the line (although tbh unless something very unexpected happens when it goes to market I doubt that we'll see these depreciating in value very significantly).

PSA: you're not going to persuade anyone that it's somehow Actually Bad that this synth exists as a premium piece, or that < moderator edit - let's focus on Moog in this thread > Thank you for your time.

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Old 2nd October 2018
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Looking forward to the first firmware update.
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< moderator edit - please post this in a PM, and let's focus on Moog One instead >
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that the asics were very expensive at that time was reflected in the first prices of the andromeda, until it was finally sold off for 2k.
it is not possible that asics have become more affordable, ok small edition 200 pieces .. hmm
ASIC's is utterly expensive thesedays, its basically dedicated PC, mobilephone etc markets, 10's of millions and up in volumes, the MoogOne is quite limited market it will not do 10k i bet my hat due to price!

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Old 2nd October 2018
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< moderator edit - bickering >

But back on topic, judging from the MIDI and 1/4" jacks on the back panel this looks to be the equivalent of 3-4 RU's thick. When you factor in the wooden box, the need for a power supply, and the other 3 digital boards how big can the voice board actually be?

How much heat is generated inside such a thin synth?

How will that heat effect the SMT components inside long term?
Drive out to the middle of the Nevada desert with a sleeping bag (and mattress pad), and curl up and watch for meteors.

Enjoy the vastness of the universe.

Realize how unimportant in the scheme of things for you worrying about the temperature gradients in the spacing of SMT-populated PCBs inside a closed space designed to operate within clearly defined specs in the documentation regarding optimal operating environments matters.

Realize instead the stunning scope within which the infinitesimally small particle we name Earth operates.

Imagine the eventual heat death of the universe, and be thankful you will not be there for that event.

Be happy; find joy in your apparently joyless world. Find a nice significant other, and buy him/her a pet.

Anything. Please?

< moderator edit - I'm leaving this in. Please be respectful and friendly to each other? >

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One for all the beam of light openings which frequent these threads malcontented:



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Old 2nd October 2018
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< this is OT and has to go >

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Old 2nd October 2018
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ASIC's is utterly expensive thesedays, its basically dedicated PC, mobilephone etc markets, 10's of millions and up in volumes, the MoogOne is quite limited market it will not do 10k i bet my hat due to price!
< deleted because OT >

the with the asics anyway a funny thing, allegedly the developers were scared about the thin sound compared to the tht prototypes

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Old 2nd October 2018
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I have the Baloran River coming by April. Let's see if I can sweet talk the wife into letting me get this one as well. I'll have my two dream synths (since I can't have my old Jupiter 8 back). Then I'll be done....
We need to put our 2 brains together to best strategize on the best way to sweet-talk our wives into getting new synths. My wife is probably one of the most accommodating spouses out there at letting me buy whatever I want related to music, but both The River and a Moog One (16 voice) in the same year would make even me nervous having that conversation.
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< deleted by moderator - OT >
Alright, back to MoogOne, Moog with this one must have everything in place, software, hardware customer support, sales channels, etc, everything, there cant be any kind of MODAL dramas, Waldorf dramas ..........dramas, im right?

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Old 2nd October 2018
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8 Voice for me. Not a piano player so best I can do is a bassline and four note chords.

Also, Unison - 24 oscs is way more than enough for a fat sound and I am DAW all the time so mono-timbral. I hope they let you control the number of voices in a unison patch.

I would buy this demo unheard based one what 4 Little Phattys stacked up poly sounded like.

Price for 8 voice too will locally be 90% so just do-able at $5400 + tax

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Old 2nd October 2018
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I can't wait for you lot to start uploading your audio/video of this thing.

Lots of salt in this thread though. I hope it sounds as good as it reads! Why do I have such expensive hobbies with such meager means?
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Old 2nd October 2018
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I ordered 16
Me too.

My wife about crapped when I told her I was buying a synth for $8000, but honestly, after looking at the specs - which push the state of the art in every category: oscillators, noise, EGs, filters, even the patch system - and how the hell do you have CV on a poly, let alone assignable? After all that, I'm inclined to think, "Only $8000?" That's a huge price, but crikey, is there anywhere they *didn't* innovate - and separate the One from *everything* that's come before?

Honestly, I'm giddy about this One - as if I'd have had the coin to pre-order a Jupyter-8 in 1980. (Alas, in 1980 I was still making payments on my $2500 Chevy, not in a position to plunk down $5800 on a synth.)

And I agree this whole < censored by moderator > business is just pointless. Look, there is a place in the world for low-cost and a place in the world for high-end, too. Don't disparage a Porsche just because you like your Ford Escort (and I use that example deliberately: the sport-model Escort is actually a fine vehicle; but it's no Porsche). Whining because you can't afford the high-end is pointless. Make the most of what you have and enjoy it. If you work hard, maybe you'll have a house on the hill someday, too. And if not, so what? Look at it this way: there has been some truly great music made already - and none of it was made with a Moog One. So clearly you don't *need* it to make great music. So don't sweat it.

And anyone who's owned or even played a Moog will tell you that the component quality and fit-and-finish is really not comparable to a more affordable synth. I got one of the first Prophet 08 and I was very disappointed with it. It felt flimsy and toyish - nothing like the Prophet-5. I called and talked to Dave directly and said, gee, I was hoping it'd be solid and silky feeling, like my Voyager. He huffed a bit and rightly pointed out that the Moog was $3700 - for one voice. I conceded his point, but also said I'd have paid more for something more solid and silky. I think he nailed it with the Prophet-6 and OB-6, as well as the Prophet-12 - they're just very solidly built, don't feel like any corners were cut, and sound wonderful. (I just never liked the sound of the 08, either)

All the comments here about the high cost of development are very spot-on. You realize that Sequential is only 15 employees - including Dave? I don't think Moog is much bigger, if at all. If you're old enough to remember the tragedy of how Dave, Tom Oberheim, and Bob Moog, as well as Alan R. Pearlman (Mr ARP) all lost their businesses (and use of their names) in the 1980s (and I assure you that *they* haven't forgotten!) it's kinda remarkable that they and their companies have come 'round again, in whatever form (e.g., Korg owning ARP). It's a very difficult business to gauge: lower-cost synths sell more, but then people bitch about build quality (like I did with Dave on the 08) or missing features (full-size keys, five octaves, more LFOs, or whatever) and then when you make that thing they've been Jonesing for, they bitch about the price.

Bottom line: we live in the golden age of synths, with models at every conceivable price-point, from free VSTs to 16-voice Moog One's. If you can't make great music on whatever budget you have, maybe it's you.

I'm really looking forward to the One! My other synths are quaking in their boots, like they're gonna be displaced, but nonsense. I love all my children, and they're all inspiring in different ways.

Go forth and synthesize!

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Old 2nd October 2018
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FYI, I asked my sweetwater rep to find out about the LFO count while ordering.
Old 2nd October 2018
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People on here complaining... ffs

This thing is beautiful and perfectly designed. No way this isn’t going to sound amazing. Modern day game changer.
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Thought I'd bump the pictures.
Stylish. Modern. Sexy. I love it!

That said, I do still have a visceral love reaction to the Jupiter-8's rainbow colors, but I guess it's not the 1980's anymore.
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Looking at the pictures its just not very thick
According to the sweetwater specs it's 7" tall. Deepmind is only 4.1". Not so deep after all I guess.

But on a serious note, the design of the back is quite interesting now that you point it out. The multiple layers of different colored materials with different widths disguises the fact that it's so thick. Plus the dark horizontal bar of the wood and the second smaller darker horizontal bar of the connectors, and the even smaller black bar of the logo all give it a very sleek, thin, horizontal look even though it's quite fat.

It would really surprise me if Axel Hartmann designed this because I always thought his stuff was insanely cheesy and ugly, but maybe he's designed some good things that I just never realized were his. When I picture his work I think of dumb bright colors and corny '80s star trek swoopy curvy plastic junk.
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Stylish. Modern. Sexy. I love it!

That said, I do still have a visceral love reaction to the Jupiter-8's rainbow colors, but I guess it's not the 1980's anymore.
But don't you think it looks like the Memorymoog from the same era as the JP- 8?
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Bottom line: we live in the golden age of synths, with models at every conceivable price-point, from free VSTs to 16-voice Moog One's. If you can't make great music on whatever budget you have, maybe it's you.


A Moog One is 10 bucks a day over 2 years. A lot of people could achieve that by not eating fast food, drinking less, not smoking, not buying coffees etc. etc.
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Old 2nd October 2018
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8 vs 16, to me a no brainer, 16, due to 3 part multitimbrality. Totally did not see that coming, and that is a huge plus for this synth in my book.

$8k is cheap when you're in the same league now as a Schmidt, which is more than twice that, for 8 voices. Yeah, I know the Schmidt has a different architecture and quite a few features that the One won't have, but I have never heard a sample of one that made me go "oh, yeah, that's a sound only a $20k synth could produce". I'm sure I will also say the same thing about the One.

Now, my dilemma. Sell the Sub 37, or the White XL, before buying the One? I love my XL - always planned on keeping it for life, but it's going to be hard to justify adding the One to my studio and keep the XL too. Sub 37 is easier to part with, since I think the One easily covers everything it is capable of doing with just 1 of its 16 voices in use.
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Old 2nd October 2018
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The big question is how those oscillators sound
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Old 2nd October 2018
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Can't afford it and its totally unobtanium but I am sure as hell glad it exists.
It looks beautiful - I hope they find some great homes and get put to wonderful use.
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