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Behringer MS-101 Analogue Synthesizer
Old 14th May 2019
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If I'm reading this right, it seems like Kurzweil wants Tariffs to help make America competitive again.
and so in fact is looking forward to higher prices.
Not at all; Kurz Weil does not live in the great US of A!
I live in the Weimar Republic, 1931, and I'm just about to try out the new Volkstrautonium I saw demonstrated last week by Oskar Sala.
Old 14th May 2019
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Thanks and well done everybody. The static sounds seem to be hard to recognize. The arp sound with filter movement is very easy to recognize the real deal.

Stereo test
Correct answer:

1: L = SH101, R = MS101
2: L = MS101, R = SH101
3: L = MS101, R = SH101
4: L = MS101, R = MS101


@Monomer
i'd say Left is OG

@Somebodyperson
1 and 3 are the Roland
2 and 4 are the Behringer

[I @ astrogat0r [/I]
Sound 1 - SH101 on the right
Sound 2 - SH101 on the left
Sound 3 - SH101 on the right
Sound 4 - SH101 on the left

@tteich
sound1: SH101=right
sound2: SH101=right
sound3: SH101=left
sound4: SH101=left


Sequential test
Correct answer:

1: A = SH101, B = MS101
2: A = MS101, B = SH101
3: A = MS101, B = SH101
4: A = MS101, B = MS101
sorry had to add a trick question

@Moonwhistle
the noisy one is the real SH

@Klankdroid
1) ms-101 / sh-101
2) sh-101 / ms-101
3) ms-101 / sh-101
4) ms-101 / sh-101

@janvdb
1) MS-101 / SH-101
2) MS-101 / SH-101
3) MS-101 / SH-101
4) MS-101 / SH-101

@decoder303
1. sequence SH second
2. sequence SH first
3. sequence SH first
4. sequence SH second (harder to tell since one has way more resonance turned in)

@Jesus Christ
They sound so similar that I couldn't care less which is which


Arpeggiator test:
Correct answer:

part 1 = MS101 / part 2 = SH-101
Yippie Kayee everyody was right

@Somebodyperson
I like the sound of the second better, so I am betting that it is the original...

@Bad Machinery
it's pretty clear that the Behringer is the first synth

@ astrogat0r
The second synth is the SH101

@soundxplorer
2:00 - 2:03 has that raspy quality that I associated with the 101's filter when the resonance is turned up and you start to lower the cutoff

@Atticus Plink
I’ll guess the SH is the second synth. In this instance I much prefer the first one though.
Old 14th May 2019
  #3003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MonoTron View Post
Thanks and well done everybody. The static sounds seem to be hard to recognize. The arp sound with filter movement is very easy to recognize the real deal.

Stereo test
Correct answer:

1: L = SH101, R = MS101
2: L = MS101, R = SH101
3: L = MS101, R = SH101
4: L = MS101, R = MS101


@Monomer
i'd say Left is OG

@Somebodyperson
1 and 3 are the Roland
2 and 4 are the Behringer

[I @ astrogat0r [/I]
Sound 1 - SH101 on the right
Sound 2 - SH101 on the left
Sound 3 - SH101 on the right
Sound 4 - SH101 on the left

@tteich
sound1: SH101=right
sound2: SH101=right
sound3: SH101=left
sound4: SH101=left


Sequential test
Correct answer:

1: A = SH101, B = MS101
2: A = MS101, B = SH101
3: A = MS101, B = SH101
4: A = MS101, B = MS101
sorry had to add a trick question

@Moonwhistle
the noisy one is the real SH

@Klankdroid
1) ms-101 / sh-101
2) sh-101 / ms-101
3) ms-101 / sh-101
4) ms-101 / sh-101

@janvdb
1) MS-101 / SH-101
2) MS-101 / SH-101
3) MS-101 / SH-101
4) MS-101 / SH-101

@decoder303
1. sequence SH second
2. sequence SH first
3. sequence SH first
4. sequence SH second (harder to tell since one has way more resonance turned in)

@Jesus Christ
They sound so similar that I couldn't care less which is which


Arpeggiator test:
Correct answer:

part 1 = MS101 / part 2 = SH-101

@Somebodyperson
I like the sound of the second better, so I am betting that it is the original...

@Bad Machinery
it's pretty clear that the Behringer is the first synth

@ astrogat0r
The second synth is the SH101

@soundxplorer
2:00 - 2:03 has that raspy quality that I associated with the 101's filter when the resonance is turned up and you start to lower the cutoff

@Atticus Plink
I’ll guess the SH is the second synth. In this instance I much prefer the first one though.
so I should sell my sh101 and buy an ms101 instead some serious noise issue on your ms101 it seems, might need some service ^^
Old 14th May 2019
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so I should sell my sh101 and buy an ms101 instead some serious noise issue on your ms101 it seems, might need some service ^^
Yikes. I picked it as the SH because I figured it needed some work to get rid of what sounds like osc bleed.
Old 14th May 2019
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Yikes. I picked it as the SH because I figured it needed some work to get rid of what sounds like osc bleed.
my 101 has a similar whine when powered with a cheap power adapter ^^ didn't do that arp test since it confused the hell out of me, hearing the noise again on the first part but feeling like the second one is sounding more like the sh
Old 14th May 2019
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here is another comparison

https://hearthis.at/pacou1/ms101-sh1...vm2ssRY0zCxFtI
Old 14th May 2019
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Page 101 - nice.....
Old 14th May 2019
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Page 101 - nice.....
Sssh!
Old 14th May 2019
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Page 101


Old 14th May 2019
  #3010
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All right, to those with the MS, I put a question to you: MS-101 or Microbrute? Both are basic synths with 1 osc, 1 envelope, no patch memory, same style sequencer, etc. But they obviously diverge pretty fast from there.

From a sequencing point of view?

For Basses?

Leads?

Sound Quality?

Overall / Fun?
Old 14th May 2019
  #3011
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It appears I prefer the MS101 (which I mostly mistook for the SH101) for more adventurous sounds and the SH101 for the sequences and arps, hmmm.

Thank you MonoTron for delivering the test, it was fun to do.

Now saving up for the SB-1 - this one is a wild thing.
Old 14th May 2019
  #3012
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I’ve heard the forthcoming Blue MS-101 is gonna sound far better than the Red Sending my red one back immediately
Old 14th May 2019
  #3013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flynn78 View Post
MS-101 or Microbrute?
I'd take the 101 over the microbrute, have a look at the Novation Bass Station II as well if you haven't already, it's had some great firmware updates since it was released. If I could only keep one it would be the BS II.
Old 14th May 2019
  #3014
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I'd take the 101 over the microbrute, have a look at the Novation Bass Station II as well if you haven't already, it's had some great firmware updates since it was released. If I could only keep one it would be the BS II.
I had a BS2, didn't like it at all. I did have a SH-01A and thought it was awesome, I kind of regret selling it, hence my interest in the MS-101 and Microbrute.
Old 14th May 2019
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I had a BS2, didn't like it at all. I did have a SH-01A and thought it was awesome, I kind of regret selling it, hence my interest in the MS-101 and Microbrute.
In terms of general flexibility and the range of sounds you can get, I'd gladly sell my SH-101 before my BSII. The dual oscillators, different filter options (most important), and dual ADSR + LFO, plus all the new firmware updates make the BSII really amazing value. For example, try getting a decent snare, hi-hat or clap sound out of the 101 and the lack of a high-pass filter means that you can't get close. You also need dual envelopes for a decent kick. The 101 does some basic sounds really well, but if you want a synth that can do stuff that you can't even do on modular, the BSII is the real deal.
Old 14th May 2019
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Quote:
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I had a BS2, didn't like it at all. I did have a SH-01A and thought it was awesome, I kind of regret selling it, hence my interest in the MS-101 and Microbrute.
SH-01A is a great little synth, Roland did a fantastic job with this boutique, buy it again, no ?
And def the MS 101 over a MicroBrute.
Old 14th May 2019
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Bought a DJS 1000 to go along with the Toraiz Squid, so here's a song with the MS-101 sequenced by the Squid and accompanied by the DJS 1000, quite a fun setup!
Old 14th May 2019
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Bought a DJS 1000 to go along with the Toraiz Squid, so here's a song with the MS-101 sequenced by the Squid and accompanied by the DJS 1000, quite a fun setup!
Very nice as always. Lovely. What’s on drums?
Old 14th May 2019
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Very nice as always. Lovely. What’s on drums?
There’s 2 lots of percussion. The first is an Erica Techno System. The kick is run through
an Erica Fusion Filter, the snare through an Erica Fusion VCO, both have some cv modulation. The hats and clap are run through an Erica Mixer and the further processed in the QU32 mixer.

The second set of percussion is samples from the DJS 1000. They have all been adjusted in the fx section of the DJS 1000, distortion, lo-fi, distortion and filter. The fx have been treated in the fx section plus their pitch changed in the DJS 1000. Then the volume adjustments where made in the DJS 1000 mixer.

They were just stock DJS samples so i messed with them to make them more unique.

I’ve a load of authentic Depeche Mode samples that where used in the 101
and Devotional tour and I’m going to upload them and mess with them.

The Squid inspired me to give the DJS a go and it’s been so easy and fun to
use.

That was a long winded answer
Old 15th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kvfive View Post
SH-01A is a great little synth, Roland did a fantastic job with this boutique, buy it again, no ?
And def the MS 101 over a MicroBrute.
I'm considering buying the sh-01a again myself.
It could be my imagination but during the short time I had one, the parameters sort of felt too quantized.
Like for example on the envelope decay it was either set to zero or a step above, and nothing in between.
It seemed impossible to dial in the micro adjustments the way I like to do on my real analog synths.
Old 15th May 2019
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the envelope decay it was either set to zero or a step above, and nothing in between.
It seemed impossible to dial in the micro adjustments the way I like to do on my real analog synths.
Herein lies the problem of digital controls, or digital envelopes in general. For everyone who wants these little analogs to send and receive MIDI CC, this is the consequence.

I don’t know what kind of tech is behind the MS-101 envelope but I suspect it is digital, which would yield a similar problem.
Old 15th May 2019
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Originally Posted by infindebula View Post
Herein lies the problem of digital controls, or digital envelopes in general. For everyone who wants these little analogs to send and receive MIDI CC, this is the consequence.

I don’t know what kind of tech is behind the MS-101 envelope but I suspect it is digital, which would yield a similar problem.
That's just not true and I doubt the MS-101 has digital envelopes.
Old 15th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MonoTron View Post
Thanks and well done everybody. The static sounds seem to be hard to recognize. The arp sound with filter movement is very easy to recognize the real deal.
I think from the beginning, this has been a lot of people's point: same oscillators, different filter and envelopes. Hence the above quote.
Old 15th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MonoTron View Post
Thanks and well done everybody. The static sounds seem to be hard to recognize. The arp sound with filter movement is very easy to recognize the real deal.

Stereo test
Correct answer:

1: L = SH101, R = MS101
2: L = MS101, R = SH101
3: L = MS101, R = SH101
4: L = MS101, R = MS101


@Monomer
i'd say Left is OG

@Somebodyperson
1 and 3 are the Roland
2 and 4 are the Behringer

[I @ astrogat0r [/I]
Sound 1 - SH101 on the right
Sound 2 - SH101 on the left
Sound 3 - SH101 on the right
Sound 4 - SH101 on the left

@tteich
sound1: SH101=right
sound2: SH101=right
sound3: SH101=left
sound4: SH101=left


Sequential test
Correct answer:

1: A = SH101, B = MS101
2: A = MS101, B = SH101
3: A = MS101, B = SH101
4: A = MS101, B = MS101
sorry had to add a trick question

@Moonwhistle
the noisy one is the real SH

@Klankdroid
1) ms-101 / sh-101
2) sh-101 / ms-101
3) ms-101 / sh-101
4) ms-101 / sh-101

@janvdb
1) MS-101 / SH-101
2) MS-101 / SH-101
3) MS-101 / SH-101
4) MS-101 / SH-101

@decoder303
1. sequence SH second
2. sequence SH first
3. sequence SH first
4. sequence SH second (harder to tell since one has way more resonance turned in)

@Jesus Christ
They sound so similar that I couldn't care less which is which


Arpeggiator test:
Correct answer:

part 1 = MS101 / part 2 = SH-101
Yippie Kayee everyody was right

@Somebodyperson
I like the sound of the second better, so I am betting that it is the original...

@Bad Machinery
it's pretty clear that the Behringer is the first synth

@ astrogat0r
The second synth is the SH101

@soundxplorer
2:00 - 2:03 has that raspy quality that I associated with the 101's filter when the resonance is turned up and you start to lower the cutoff

@Atticus Plink
I’ll guess the SH is the second synth. In this instance I much prefer the first one though.
Sorry that I gave a cheeky answer for the first one.
Old 15th May 2019
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That's just not true and I doubt the MS-101 has digital envelopes.
speculative, but for example the neutron has analogue envelopes, which is officially confirmed.

In any case, we are waiting for a comparison with the bee, so in 2 3 years .. if the synth does not remain vaporware.

original is the envelope without custom ic, so why not recreate ..

Old 15th May 2019
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Sorry that I gave a cheeky answer for the first one.
lol, well actually you were the only one who was right on all 4
Although not 'completeley' right

Last edited by MonoTron; 15th May 2019 at 10:00 AM.. Reason: wrong quote :(
Old 15th May 2019
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I think from the beginning, this has been a lot of people's point: same oscillators, different filter and envelopes. Hence the above quote.
Yep although i don't really mind about that, having the original for those sounds.
Still, it also shows that most sounds can be reproduced. As long as you don't have a very high resonance (>8) and close the cutoff.

The biggest difference is the noise. It is way to loud on the MS101 and it doesn't really filter that nice as on the SH.
Old 15th May 2019
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For me the most substantial difference is the glide functionality, it’s a major part of the SH101 sound and sadly that part has not been cloned!
Old 15th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MonoTron View Post
Yep although i don't really mind about that, having the original for those sounds.
Still, it also shows that most sounds can be reproduced. As long as you don't have a very high resonance (>8) and close the cutoff.

The biggest difference is the noise. It is way to loud on the MS101 and it doesn't really filter that nice as on the SH.
Thanks for the time you've put into the comparisons, been really interesting to read
Old 15th May 2019
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For me the most substantial difference is the glide functionality, it’s a major part of the SH101 sound and sadly that part has not been cloned!
You're totally right, i forgot about that. I don't use full noise that often so that doesn't really matter to me, but the glide function is almost ridiculous. It's just a lot less usable without the auto function and even now I don't put the glide further than 15-25%
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