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Waldorf Kyra FPGA Rack/Desktop Coming to NAMM 2019 (originally Exodus Valkyrie) Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 14th April 2018
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The one thing I learned from the Waldorf XT is that I don't like wavetable in hardware. There is to much to be done in software to get the most out of it.

Looks very cool but for me I have 2 viruses and I have serum. Nothing can replace the virus but if this is Serum in a hardware box then it's super good and hardware junkies will jump on this I would think. The virus has wavtables but is not a true wavetable synth in terms of editing.
Has it been clearly established yet whether Valkyrie does wavetable scanning at all? The use of the word "wavetable" doesn't always guarantee that it's meant in the PPG sense. (Apologies if this has been clarified in a newer vid I haven't seen yet.)
Old 14th April 2018
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Yeah and the demos are so awesome sounding I can't even contain my excitement!!!!!

It's the best thing I have never heard in my life.
I don’t know. The first demo I saw seemed really good. The more recent ones sounded more like just software, but in no way would I say bad. Hell, if they made an 8 voice Blofeld with Pulse 2 filters, I’d be happy.
Old 14th April 2018
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I have no idea what you are talking about. My daughter inherited my iPhone 3 which she uses for music and learning apps and it works perfectly.
I haven’t had any problems with my iOS device screens and neither have the kids (knock wood). We’ve been using them for years, iPods and iPhones. My iPhone 5s and my lady’s 4 have had heavy use and are working just peachy.

That said, he’s got a point about touch screens or any screens in general and their longevity and/or possible replacement if accidentally broken. I love the long sweeping screens on the Solaris. Really excellent interface but what happens 15-20 years from now if you need a new one? Same with my Eventide Eclipse’s weird long green screen. I’ve kind of been thinking about buying another backup display just in case. There are some synths and other bits of gear occasionally mentioned on this forum that are totally ****ed because you can’t find a proper replacement.
Old 14th April 2018
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WUT?
If your asking then I guess you have never used additive synthesis? Like a Waldorf XT? The virus uses subtractive synthesis
Old 14th April 2018
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People say software like its a bad thing.

Software sounds good nowadays.

Hardware lives much longer and has an instrument interface.

Conclusion: software in a hardware package = nice.
Old 15th April 2018
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Has it been clearly established yet whether Valkyrie does wavetable scanning at all? The use of the word "wavetable" doesn't always guarantee that it's meant in the PPG sense. (Apologies if this has been clarified in a newer vid I haven't seen yet.)
I thought the demonstrations of the piano wavetable showed this kind of evolution pretty clearly, and was commented on directly by the creator. Exact details of how it works aren't available, but there's definitely more to it than just picking a single-cycle waveform.
Old 15th April 2018
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I thought the demonstrations of the piano wavetable showed this kind of evolution pretty clearly, and was commented on directly by the creator. Exact details of how it works aren't available, but there's definitely more to it than just picking a single-cycle waveform.
Cool, missed that. (Apparently I'm not the only one, as clusterchord was wondering as well.)
Old 15th April 2018
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I haven’t had any problems with my iOS device screens and neither have the kids (knock wood). We’ve been using them for years, iPods and iPhones. My iPhone 5s and my lady’s 4 have had heavy use and are working just peachy.

That said, he’s got a point about touch screens or any screens in general and their longevity and/or possible replacement if accidentally broken. I love the long sweeping screens on the Solaris. Really excellent interface but what happens 15-20 years from now if you need a new one? Same with my Eventide Eclipse’s weird long green screen. I’ve kind of been thinking about buying another backup display just in case. There are some synths and other bits of gear occasionally mentioned on this forum that are totally ****ed because you can’t find a proper replacement.
In 20 years I’ll be way more concerned with finding replacement ears than any part of any synth.
Old 15th April 2018
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If your asking then I guess you have never used additive synthesis? Like a Waldorf XT? The virus uses subtractive synthesis
A Waldorf Microwave XT is additive synthesis?

But to answer your first question, yes. impOSCar, Alchemy, Harmor, Mpowersynth, CMI V, and Synclavier V. Never in hardware, though I spent a year working within 20’ of a Synclavier.

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Old 15th April 2018
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Watched the whole video. Will wait for the manual to come out.
Still waiting for the promised Vermona poly synth to come out,
so likely 2018 will be a no synth buying year!
Old 15th April 2018
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I thought the demonstrations of the piano wavetable showed this kind of evolution pretty clearly, and was commented on directly by the creator. Exact details of how it works aren't available, but there's definitely more to it than just picking a single-cycle waveform.
In one of the videos he said that the temporal evolution of the piano sound was created by using the hard sync. In another one of the videos the wavetable selection menu is shown in detail. The wavetables are sorted into groups. In some of the groups the change is quasi-continuous between the waves (I think the video shows a saw with an increasing gap), in others the waves are very different from each other. If you can modulate the wavetable selection via the mod matrix (not sure if this is implemented), you could therefore get a more or less continuous change in timbre for some of the groups. There seems to be no waldorf-style interpolated wavetable sweeping.

Some other random observations: In the musotalk video he switched from saying 10 oscillators to 10 sound sources. The engine diagram that is partially shown in the background of this video and the controls on the panel and what is shown of menus in the videos seem to indicate, that there are not 10 independent oscillators. The saw, square (PWM) and wavetable seem to be phase-locked to each other. The sub-oscillator can be detuned, therefore it seems have a separate phase integrator. The 5th "oscillator" in group one can be switched between a ring modulator (group 1 and 2 I think, maybe only some of the sources of each group are used?) and a noise source (wouldbe nice to get noise + RM). I have no idea what oscillator #5 is for the second group. There seem to be no panel controls for that one....

Another interesting thing: It seems that using two filters will not reduce polyphony. Maybe that means that you get a stereo signal path with panning for the groups when you are using a single filter?

He should add an encoder/fader/poti for quickly sweeping valuues in the menu. Stepping through the waves looks a bit painful in the video.

It is still an interesting synth, mainly due to the good audio quality and the full multitimbrality / stacking possibility with tons of FX, but the core synth engine does feel a bit basic. In terms of synthesis possibilities it seems to be closer to the Virus A/B then to the TI (for example).
Old 15th April 2018
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It is very interesting and on my watch list IF it can play 128voices on one channel. But that seems to be for some reason in doubt because this statement "Up to 32 notes (single or dual) per multitimbral part".

If that is only a misstake in formulating the sentence I will have to listen to it in person, making severe judgements from videos or soundbites is a bit silly - you can get a feel for what it can sound like but todays forum and video posts from keyboard warriors is a threat to society

And what you can actually do with the 5 osc in each group is not clear either - looks like there might be very limited editing from within the group on each osc.

If he made an accurate model from the Moog ladder filter (as he says in one of the interviews) that might explain the loss of Bass. Hope he implements more filters with no/less Bass loss when you crank the resonance.

And I would love to support such a lovely guy from a british company, made me sad when they Brexited - made me less of a Brit
Old 15th April 2018
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I best clearify my statement before the aforementioned keyboard-warriors jump down my throat

What do I need 100+ voices on the same sound, I'll likely almost never use it: ah, the keyword here is almost. Even if most sounds don't fit to be stacked either at the same time or make a mess when using sustain pedal it would be real nice to be able to make sounds that could benefit from this.

You must understand I come from Piano and Organ playing, making a big occasional racket with the Hammond or using long sustain pedal on piano peices is something I acutely became aware I lost when playing digital sytheziers during the 80ths.

I would like to have the oppertunity with this Valkyrie to make sounds that you can play using lots of long pedaling sustain, just for once in my life I want to be able to program a synth sound that sounds real good and fits that kind of playin style. 32 notes is nice but I just wish I could get a little bit more just for once
Old 15th April 2018
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I don't think "up to 32 voices per multitimbral part" is correct. Because then it would be up to 32*8 = 256, and the unit clearly has 128 voices of polyphony.
Old 15th April 2018
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This looks a bit and sounds like a Virus TI2 but has NO Total Integration? If so it's just a step back and you get charged a fair bit or money....I fail to see what the attraction is here.
Don't worry, this other synth looks visually a bit like a Virus C so I'm sure it'll have Total Integration as it's obviously a new Virus
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Old 15th April 2018
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It sounds really good to me. It just doesn’t sound interesting. I blame his choice of sound designer more than anything else. I’d love to hear what someone who’s more adventurous could do with this.
Old 15th April 2018
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I don't think "up to 32 voices per multitimbral part" is correct. Because then it would be up to 32*8 = 256, and the unit clearly has 128 voices of polyphony.
I’d with agree with you if 32 voices per part was the minimum. It seems to me that you have 32 voices per part until the limit of 128 is met.
Old 16th April 2018
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Don't worry, this other synth looks visually a bit like a Virus C so I'm sure it'll have Total Integration as it's obviously a new Virus
That thing will probably be in the four thousand $ range
Old 16th April 2018
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That thing will probably be in the four thousand $ range
Well under 2k he said in the video I just saw. Idk about the sound of it yet. The patches didn't blow my mind at all, but that doesn't mean much until it's in the hands of a great patch designer.
Old 16th April 2018
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He was talking about that new Black Corporation synth, not Valkyrie.
Old 16th April 2018
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Yes, sorry - we went on a segue about things not being what they vaguely resemble. Valkyrie price is "well under €2000"

Not seen this one linked yet I think?
Old 16th April 2018
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Anyone else feel that at superbooth Access will be like "Surprise! Valkyrie is the new Virus!" ?
Old 16th April 2018
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Rack version and i am in. I am so convinced by the demos by now, i would even make room for a keyboard version.
Old 16th April 2018
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Still it would be beyond amazing to have a new Virus with all the modern magic that Access could bring to the instrument and USB 3 TI. I really wonder will it go another 5 years before Access start talking about a new Virus, or if ever.

Back to Valkyrie sorry.
Old 16th April 2018
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Still it would be beyond amazing to have a new Virus with all the modern magic that Access could bring to the instrument and USB 3 TI. I really wonder will it go another 5 years before Access start talking about a new Virus, or if ever.

Back to Valkyrie sorry.
These threads are good for Virus chat:
Access Virus TI3 coming soon?
No new Access Virus any time soon
Old 16th April 2018
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The designer seemed super nervous while being interviewed by Nick Batt, but good on him for building such a great synth and getting it out there! Takes guts.
Old 16th April 2018
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Who wouldn't be nervous having their synth scrutinised for the first time by the Pope of PWM?
Old 16th April 2018
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The designer seemed super nervous while being interviewed by Nick Batt, but good on him for building such a great synth and getting it out there! Takes guts.
One of the sonicstate team did a product interview and the demo guy seemed real nervous. Another chap from another music site did the same product interview and the same product specialist seemed much happier...

Not the first time I have noticed this

They may need to consider some interview training...
Old 17th April 2018
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One of the sonicstate team did a product interview and the demo guy seemed real nervous. Another chap from another music site did the same product interview and the same product specialist seemed much happier...

Not the first time I have noticed this

They may need to consider some interview training...
I thought the SonicState interview he was alright but in Sound on Sound, in that when I saw it I thought he was real nervous.

I wonder if he got any distributors deals and if it really can be out by Q3 as he wished.
Old 17th April 2018
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I’m very curious about how the keyboard and rack versions will look like.
Well, me too, if he can manage to compress all that power in 1u motu 828 sized or smaller box programmabe via usb and playable stand alone - it might be very appealing to me
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